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In your opinion, what is the point of life?
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idk you die how you die. Hopefully en-twined a bit tighter with the Goddess who created this luminous fibre.
emkee_reinvented
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Well your body dies that is established, to me during N2O session's. But my personal experiences with Dissociative's learned or dismantled the idea that time is relevant.
And the eternal lasting feeling that dissociative experiences on several disso's created. Showed also space is very questionable.
Drug induced revelation's are very questionable although they seem very significant.
Btw with the Serotonergic hallucinogen's I don't witness this effect
Btw with the Serotonergic hallucinogen's I don't witness this effect
Don't witness what effect?..
soz im a bit slow haha but goddamn i love N20. Fuck any heathen who disrespects N20 its holy as holes in the lustrous goddess fibre.
Ya ya. (to be fair, someone else asked me about time)
Yo time. space. questionable.! Dig it. peace emkee
Don't witness what effect?..
soz im a bit slow haha but goddamn i love N20. Fuck any heathen who disrespects N20 its holy as holes in the lustrous goddess fibre.
Ya ya. (to be fair, someone else asked me about time)
Yo time. space. questionable.! Dig it. peace emkee
AutoTripper
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For me, living, and learning. Developing. Gaining from the extra perspective. Appreciating more. In the long run.
jasperkent
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What is the point of life?
I've struggled with this since I was just a kid. For a long time I thought I'd decided that there was no point whatsoever, but I think I was just avoiding the tough (and maybe unanswerable) question. But everywhere you look (at least on Earth) you see that life strives to exist-- even under the most improbable conditions.
So, yeah, it seems that there must be some kind of point. What is it? Fuck if I know. But as long as we're here, I think we should make the best of it. That includes asking questions like this and treating each other (and other creatures) with empathy and kindness.
If it turns out that Life is just a big joke, so be it. Let's do our best to make it a really good joke.
I've struggled with this since I was just a kid. For a long time I thought I'd decided that there was no point whatsoever, but I think I was just avoiding the tough (and maybe unanswerable) question. But everywhere you look (at least on Earth) you see that life strives to exist-- even under the most improbable conditions.
So, yeah, it seems that there must be some kind of point. What is it? Fuck if I know. But as long as we're here, I think we should make the best of it. That includes asking questions like this and treating each other (and other creatures) with empathy and kindness.
If it turns out that Life is just a big joke, so be it. Let's do our best to make it a really good joke.
emkee_reinvented
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Do you think your ashes would qualify as fertilizer?
As far as I understand human's are bio-accumalating poisoinous substances makin' us unuseable for that purpose.
Heavy metal's, chemical waste product's and who know's what.
Vastness
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Bit late to this party but this question requires a lot more detail to discern what you are actually asking. There are several ways to answer it.
The "point" of life in a materialistic or physical sense, as in, assuming the question and the answer to be about physical laws of the universe, is to effectively propagate, disperse, and preserve the self-replicating molecular structures that preceded "life", or at least, macroscopic, cellular life as we understand it, in the same way that the "point" of a photon is to convey electromagnetic energy from one point in space to another. The "why" in this case resolves to a "how", life exists because self-replicating molecules sometimes arrange themselves into seemingly fantastically complex structures which we call organisms, some of which are human, and a part of that process if for certain subsets of those organisms to muse about the origins and the "reason" for their own existence.
I could probably have skipped that paragraph since it leads pretty neatly onto the sense in which it sounds more likely that you meant the question to be interpreted. In this sense, your question is essentially a variation on "what is the meaning of life?" - if we are to answer the question in any other way than one based on the flow of time as we perceive it, and causality - which, admittedly, is a less interesting answer, most of the time, akin to asking "why does the ball roll down the hill" - it is impossible to do so without a circular reference. "Meaning" is a concept that exists within the minds of conscious life. In an absolute sense, life doesn't need to mean anything, and there doesn't need to be a point to it. The illusion of purpose and meaning is a part of the illusion of mind, which is itself a byproduct of the mechanism by which minds that can contemplate such abstract concepts as the absolute "meaning" of things, beyond the fact that something is "meant" to be tasty, for example - as is the case for some parts of the world in which pre-sentient but conscious organisms with organic brains find themselves - outside the illusory boundaries between the inside of any human mind and the reality beyond it, it is not necessary for anything to mean anything or to have any point, reason, or to be for anyone, or anyone - at least not in any way that we could hope to comprehend. Existence just is. This might sound an unsatisfactory answer - but it is the only answer that anyone can honestly give without invoking some kind of faith-based pseudoreligious mysticism - ie, a guess, or a useful fiction that serves the aforementioned purpose of keeping life as something that living beings desire to preserve.
If we try to step outside the paradigm of life being something unique and special, separate from the wider universe and, indeed, existence itself, the absurdity of the question can be illustrated fairly easily. What is the point of a star? What are they here for? (Let's not say "to support life bearing planets", this is just a rabbit hole we could go down forever, and statistically speaking it seems unlikely given that most planetary systems likely do not support any kind of intelligent, macroscropic life.) What is the point of matter? To enable to creation of stars? Again, considering that baryonic matter that can undergo gravitational nuclear ignition, ie, form stars, makes up a tiny fraction of the matter in the universe, this is to me an intuitively difficult answer to justify. What is the point of time and space? Why did the Big Bang happen?
To answer the last question, we'd have to be able to look outside, or "before" the birth of our own universe - and in this case the question would actually resolve into a "how", ie, "HOW" did the Big Bang happen? Presumably due to some property of whatever substrate our universe rests within, in which case we come back to the material, and physical laws, this time laws that govern the behaviour of the "Bulk" (to borrow a term from String Theory without endorsing it, meaning extra-universal "space"). This would probably still be unsatisfactory, because we could then ask, what is the point of the multiverse? Having figured out the point of the universe and the part it plays in the multiverse encasing it, presumably we'd just end up with yet another why, "WHY does the multiverse exist, what is the point of the multiverse?" We could go on like this probably infinitely - if we were omnipotent gods.
IMO - every "why" question of this nature eventually resolves into a fairly unsatisfactory "how", leaving yet another, more mysterious and expansive "why" in it's place. This doesn't mean it isn't fun to speculate about of course, I could talk about this shit all day. But my answer to your question, bluntly, would be that there is no "point" to life that would be satisfactory to us, because the very ideas of purpose and meaning originate from within the illusion of the self as something separate from the entirety of existence.
The "point" of life in a materialistic or physical sense, as in, assuming the question and the answer to be about physical laws of the universe, is to effectively propagate, disperse, and preserve the self-replicating molecular structures that preceded "life", or at least, macroscopic, cellular life as we understand it, in the same way that the "point" of a photon is to convey electromagnetic energy from one point in space to another. The "why" in this case resolves to a "how", life exists because self-replicating molecules sometimes arrange themselves into seemingly fantastically complex structures which we call organisms, some of which are human, and a part of that process if for certain subsets of those organisms to muse about the origins and the "reason" for their own existence.
I could probably have skipped that paragraph since it leads pretty neatly onto the sense in which it sounds more likely that you meant the question to be interpreted. In this sense, your question is essentially a variation on "what is the meaning of life?" - if we are to answer the question in any other way than one based on the flow of time as we perceive it, and causality - which, admittedly, is a less interesting answer, most of the time, akin to asking "why does the ball roll down the hill" - it is impossible to do so without a circular reference. "Meaning" is a concept that exists within the minds of conscious life. In an absolute sense, life doesn't need to mean anything, and there doesn't need to be a point to it. The illusion of purpose and meaning is a part of the illusion of mind, which is itself a byproduct of the mechanism by which minds that can contemplate such abstract concepts as the absolute "meaning" of things, beyond the fact that something is "meant" to be tasty, for example - as is the case for some parts of the world in which pre-sentient but conscious organisms with organic brains find themselves - outside the illusory boundaries between the inside of any human mind and the reality beyond it, it is not necessary for anything to mean anything or to have any point, reason, or to be for anyone, or anyone - at least not in any way that we could hope to comprehend. Existence just is. This might sound an unsatisfactory answer - but it is the only answer that anyone can honestly give without invoking some kind of faith-based pseudoreligious mysticism - ie, a guess, or a useful fiction that serves the aforementioned purpose of keeping life as something that living beings desire to preserve.
If we try to step outside the paradigm of life being something unique and special, separate from the wider universe and, indeed, existence itself, the absurdity of the question can be illustrated fairly easily. What is the point of a star? What are they here for? (Let's not say "to support life bearing planets", this is just a rabbit hole we could go down forever, and statistically speaking it seems unlikely given that most planetary systems likely do not support any kind of intelligent, macroscropic life.) What is the point of matter? To enable to creation of stars? Again, considering that baryonic matter that can undergo gravitational nuclear ignition, ie, form stars, makes up a tiny fraction of the matter in the universe, this is to me an intuitively difficult answer to justify. What is the point of time and space? Why did the Big Bang happen?
To answer the last question, we'd have to be able to look outside, or "before" the birth of our own universe - and in this case the question would actually resolve into a "how", ie, "HOW" did the Big Bang happen? Presumably due to some property of whatever substrate our universe rests within, in which case we come back to the material, and physical laws, this time laws that govern the behaviour of the "Bulk" (to borrow a term from String Theory without endorsing it, meaning extra-universal "space"). This would probably still be unsatisfactory, because we could then ask, what is the point of the multiverse? Having figured out the point of the universe and the part it plays in the multiverse encasing it, presumably we'd just end up with yet another why, "WHY does the multiverse exist, what is the point of the multiverse?" We could go on like this probably infinitely - if we were omnipotent gods.
IMO - every "why" question of this nature eventually resolves into a fairly unsatisfactory "how", leaving yet another, more mysterious and expansive "why" in it's place. This doesn't mean it isn't fun to speculate about of course, I could talk about this shit all day. But my answer to your question, bluntly, would be that there is no "point" to life that would be satisfactory to us, because the very ideas of purpose and meaning originate from within the illusion of the self as something separate from the entirety of existence.
Shrooms00087
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To move on
Juniper Bruhmomentius
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Economically: Make rich richer
Invidually: I already answered this question in my last life
Foreigner
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There is no point to life, no objective point anyway. Life is inherently empty and meaningless. You can create meaning, and that is the only real power over reality that humans have.
I stopped asking this question a lot time ago. "Why" is usually pointless. There is no why. Stop asking why. It wastes your precious human life.
I stopped asking this question a lot time ago. "Why" is usually pointless. There is no why. Stop asking why. It wastes your precious human life.
Robi
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iridescentblack
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Meaning as far as what? I would think in a way this question is made for those who feel alienated, whereby the clever solution would be to come up with multiple solutions to the question, rather than wait for just one.
SomeRandomNob
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The universe is a self replicating organism who's goal it is to develop intelligent species who are capable of attaining the technological ability to initiate another big bang, so that the universe can be reborn and potentially even improved.
The purpose of life, just like the single celled organisms inside your body, is to contribute to the rebirth of the macro organism, the universe.
The people that invented the hammer and wheel are long since dead, yet their contributions to the technological cannon live on. It is our duty to contribute to the technological cannon as much as possible, either directly by inventing things, or indirectly by supporting those that do.
In summary, it is our duty to become gods before time ends, so that we can recreate the universe before it dies of old age.
The purpose of life, just like the single celled organisms inside your body, is to contribute to the rebirth of the macro organism, the universe.
The people that invented the hammer and wheel are long since dead, yet their contributions to the technological cannon live on. It is our duty to contribute to the technological cannon as much as possible, either directly by inventing things, or indirectly by supporting those that do.
In summary, it is our duty to become gods before time ends, so that we can recreate the universe before it dies of old age.
Xorkoth
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Interesting take.
I hadn't heard that one beforeIn my mind, black holes are the new universe/big bang creators. Perhaps when a star collapses into a supernova, that is a big bang inside the singularity. If you think about it, everything inside a black hole is forever contained in there, not even light can escape. And it slowly grows as things are pulled into the black hole, which mirrors our own universe's expansion. Which would likely mean our own universe is itself a black hole.
Higherfocus420
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I think it's like school for our souls
Higherfocus420
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But lifes what u make it
Electrum1
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To accumulate as many resources as possible for your direct bloodline, and when you die you leave those resources to your children and grandchildren.
Physical, social/political/monetary resources, are all important to accumulate for the future generations of your bloodline.
Physical, social/political/monetary resources, are all important to accumulate for the future generations of your bloodline.