Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

[Mr. Krinkle]

hey you two Jews

i know it might be hard for you, but try to be nice to each other just for a day

it's Christmas

 

[dalpat077]

Also I'd like to point out that anyone can submit a science paper for peer review.

Ain't that a fact. Idiots like my friend a post or two above will look at the subject and the site (domain name) on which it's published and then just assume it's gospel and it MUST be correct and legit. I also know of one particular site where literally ANYBODY can submit a "science paper" no matter what bullshit it contains but by virtue of the fact that it will be intermingled with legit peer reviewed papers Joe Public will take the subject line as gospel. Happy to do a demonstration. And of course: the more references you include the better it looks on paper. Next thing you know there's post about it right here and probably a fucking YT video about it somewhere too. And if you're REALLY talented with your writing: could end up in the MSM. Been meaning to pull this shit for a good while now as I have been given access to one these legit looking sites (the domain name itself is enough to fool anyone into thinking that anything they find on there is legit science shit and that I KNOW what I'm talking about and am qualified to be publishing a paper). Easy as pie. And as for "peer review": pretty simple YOU sign up and give yourself some bullshit credentials and "review" my paper. Job done. And as I'm sure you know: the "peer review" process isn't exactly flawless either. There's been many a paper where the "peers" have been questionable or paid off.

 

[dalpat077]

hey you two Jews

i know it might be hard for you, but try to be nice to each other just for a day

it's Christmas

Believe me: I WAS being nice. That was the filtered version. Didn't feel like getting a temp. ban or warning points for Christmas. Also a bit pressed for time i.e. didn't have the time to totally lose my shit.

 

[dalpat077]

Yup I understood the papers fully. But I'm not answering your questions because I wasn't talking to you. I was answering somebody else. Stand in line.

Not interested in your opinion anyway which is incredibly biased and one-sided, and always has been.

People with 2 shots + booster are getting omicron. This is mainstream news now. Go away.

You.know: there’s a name for this type of personality disorder/mental state/behavior which escapes me now. Telling people to go away and to fuck off when called out or when disagreeing with your narrative,

 

[Jabberwocky]

Stop saying there's no evidence, when you are too lazy to look:

Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies - Nature Microbiology

Mechanisms of antibody-dependent enhancement of disease and mitigation strategies for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies are discussed.

www.nature.com

did you read the paper?

do it before telling me i'm too lazy to look. it seems you don't read the sources you cite. mostly it covers ADE in vitro and following infection with other coronaviruses, though vaccines are mentioned, nothing definitive is stated, and on the whole they suggest the vaccines do not induce ADE.

a few quotes:

"Safety concerns for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were initially fuelled by mouse studies.... Importantly, immunopathology was not observed in challenged mice following the passive transfer of nucleocapsid-specific immune serum56, confirming that the enhanced disease could not be replicated using the serum volumes transferred."

"These data suggest that human immunization strategies for SARS-CoV-2 that elicit high neutralizing antibody titres have a high chance of success with minimal risk of ADE."

"Evidence for vaccine-induced ADE in animal models of SARS-CoV is conflicting, and raises potential safety concerns.... SARS-CoV immunization studies in animal models have thus produced results that vary greatly in terms of protective efficacy, immunopathology and potential ADE, depending on the vaccine strategy employed" - note sars not covid

I don't expect you to have the expertise to read the above studies. If you have any questions please let me know.

you are an alternative medicine practitioner, you clearly don't have the expertise to read them. i don't understand the full details of the immunology but i have a sufficient understanding to know they do not support your claims. importantly i have a network of talented molecular biologists who i can ask when i really need to know something, so i have an avenue to educate myself that is not open to many.

i haven't looked at the others cos your first paper did not back up your claims so i suspect they don't, they are not peer reviewed, and being christmas mornng, i really don't have the time.

were ADE happening, we would be seeing clinical data showing it by now. we are not. hospitalisations and death rates were way down in comparison to case numbers, long before omicron (where there is more and more evidence of lower virulence, unlike delta) came along. therefore it is unlikely to be happening.

 

[Electrum1]

Hmmm....

 

[Hannah Capps]

So nope, still not taking the virus in disguise seriously, wash your hands, take your vitamins, get outside in the sun...yup, works great...

 

[Hannah Capps]

title of this thread sounds like a good movie...(yawn)

 

[birdup]

Back in isolation again. Had to get a test on Christmas day because I checked into an exposure site at some point during the week. The wait time was 80 minutes. No shade. I'm surprised I didn't get burnt. Was hungover as fuck when I woke up. Had to do a mountain of presents from Santa for all the kids then I got this text message saying I have 24 hours to get tested or else. 24 hours? What if I'm in the middle of the desert? What if my phone is off?

Do I keep using QR codes to check in? I'm conflicted about it. I don't want to keep isolating like this every month or so.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

isolating is fucking retarded. if the vax works then isolating is stupid if the vax doesnt work why the fuck did they force us to get it.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Back in isolation again. Had to get a test on Christmas day because I checked into an exposure site at some point during the week. The wait time was 80 minutes. No shade. I'm surprised I didn't get burnt. Was hungover as fuck when I woke up. Had to do a mountain of presents from Santa for all the kids then I got this text message saying I have 24 hours to get tested or else. 24 hours? What if I'm in the middle of the desert? What if my phone is off?

Do I keep using QR codes to check in? I'm conflicted about it. I don't want to keep isolating like this every month or so.

Or else what? they're coming to get you to take you to the camp?

you need to let this thing unfold and report back to us - we'll wait for you here

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

eat eggs - 2 to 3 a day...there's your vitamin D

 

[Electrum1]

 

[Jabberwocky]

True or not I'm not gonna lie the ops post was a chilling read but I'm gonna call bulshit because most of these conspiracy theories are specifically narrated to pull you in and make you go "it all makes sense down"

This is true. I am happy to admit that a whole bunch of stuff people have posted that eventually looked like an unfounded conspiracy theory initially made make take notice because it was prima facie plausible if you are a sceptical person (which I am). Including this one. But ultimately almost everything falls over if you take a look at the source data that people claim support the claim.

What I don’t understand though is why some people (not BL members - but the doctors and other professionals that they quote) who should know better based on their training and education seem to deliberately claim a data set proves something that it absolutely does not. It’s a real thing. These rebel or iconoclastic or sceptical ‘medical professionals’ or ‘scientists’ are waving data sets around to claim stuff this an outright lie in many cases. But no one calls ‘bullshit’ (well, except you).

 

[dalpat077]

Fuck. At this rate EUFA gonna have to scale down to five-a-side.

 

[Electrum1]

This is true. I am happy to admit that a whole bunch of stuff people have posted that eventually looked like an unfounded conspiracy theory initially made make take notice because it was prima facie plausible if you are a sceptical person (which I am). Including this one. But ultimately almost everything falls over if you take a look at the source data that people claim support the claim.

What I don’t understand though is why some people (not BL members - but the doctors and other professionals that they quote) who should know better based on their training and education seem to deliberately claim a data set proves something that it absolutely does not. It’s a real thing. These rebel or iconoclastic or sceptical ‘medical professionals’ or ‘scientists’ are waving data sets around to claim stuff this an outright lie in many cases. But no one calls ‘bullshit’ (well, except you).

This is somewhat related to your post, so I thought you may enjoy it:

 

[Electrum1]

Fuck. At this rate EUFA gonna have to scale down to five-a-side.

Lol. Wouldn't that just cause each player to run more, causing even more heart attacks? We should just make the field half the size now so they don't need to run as far. They could put two goals in the center of the field facing away from eachother, and play 2 games at once per stadium.

 

[Jabberwocky]

This is somewhat related to your post, so I thought you may enjoy it:

I did enjoy that. But I’m struggling to keep track of who the elites actually are. I work in a university and see the ultra-woke and super-progressive staff (admin and academic) as very representative of who is the elite in AUstralia. They, and their students in the social sciences and humanities, jump back and forth between academia (where they ‘pursue truth’ - mostly using Critical Theory if not critical thinking), the media, corporate consulting (HR mainly), and government committees, commissions and boards.

Rich, white, privately educated, male, majority shareholders, sitting in penthouses, monitoring their minions on the shop floor by CCTV are very hard to find. And any that do exist now talk a great deal in public about global warning, racism, and the need for inclusion….

 

[Electrum1]

Some positive immune data for children:

Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive spike-specific immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 infection - Nature Immunology

SARS-CoV-2 infection is milder in children, but direct comparison with adults is rare. Here the authors show that immune responses are higher in children, retained for 12 months or longer and can neutralize Alpha, Beta and Delta variants.

www.nature.com

 

[Electrum1]

I did enjoy that. But I’m struggling to keep track of who the elites actually are. I work in a university and see the ultra-woke and super-progressive staff (admin and academic) as very representative of who is the elite in AUstralia. They, and their students in the social sciences and humanities, jump back and forth between academia (where they ‘pursue truth’ - mostly using Critical Theory if not critical thinking), the media, corporate consulting (HR mainly), and government committees, commissions and boards.

Rich, white, privately educated, male, majority shareholders, sitting in penthouses, monitoring their minions on the shop floor by CCTV are very hard to find. And any that do exist now talk a great deal in public about global warning, racism, and the need for inclusion….

I guess my opinion of who the Elites are, is they are the people who control resources. Information pipelines, money creation, energy, food, entertainment industry, important technologies etc. Controlling the flows of those things can influence large populations, or cripple entire nations. Politicians who create laws I think I also see as elites. I don't know about billionaires being elites by simply having billions of dollars, since politicians have the power to start massively taxing their wealth=(power) resulting in less power for the billionaire. I like this idea of trying to define elites, will be thinking about this a lot more now.

Edited to correct my ridiculous misspelling of politicians.