Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

[Tranced]

It is, but you seem to be missing the point. Let me break it down for you.

Claiming there is a conspiracy for sure, but not knowing or being able to describe what it is creates a situation where no matter what contradictory information comes out which proves your idea less than plausible, you can just shift your theory to avoid all debunking. People can literally disprove ALL of what you think and you can still say "well the real conspiracy is something else".

It creates a situation where you claim something to be true but do not allow people to prove you wrong.

Do you see the problem with this?

You see, UFO nuts believe aliens visit earth. Even though 98% of UFO "evidence" is bullshit and can be explained naturally, they believe it's ALL true. They believe aliens exist, even without evidence and nobody can talk them out of it even with strong evidence. All they care about is perpetuating the alien conspiracy, not finding the actual TRUTH.

Do you see the problem now?

and for the record I believe UFOs exist. I've seen one. As to what they are and where they come from? I have no idea. Aliens? probably unlikely, but possible. Even though I believe they exist... 98% of UFO sightings are complete bullshit. But that 2% is very very interesting...

know I'm late but basically what you were missing here with his reply, is that be used a dry irony that you missed.

The response to your post was paraphrased, "well Im not a one of the conspirators, so maybe try asking them".

Their end goal hasn't been achieved though, and there have been significant delays. They want a new digital ID system and many countries are resisting. That resistance is important. We are looking at the end of liberal democracy if they succeed.

The vaccine will tag people, if it hasn't already. The tag will be read with some kind of equivalent to an RFID. All the ID you want to get: passport, driver's license, health card, university, bank cards, etc. will require a connection to the RFID in your body. This is biodigital convergence. Here is the Canadian government's website about it.

GAAVI already did a pilot program for this in several African countries, with Mastercard. Here is the pilot program of the amalgamated bank/mastercard/photo ID campaign in Nigeria. Initially the biometrics are fingerprint and/or retinal scan, but in other African nations they are experimenting with RFID in the body.

This is the kind of digital enslavement they want. It's what ID 2020 is about.

These people are psycho.



Pfizer, according to his mom. I was just informed it wasn't his second shot, it was his "booster" shot. The booster killed him.

This is exactly it.

You already have a banking "credit score" which can prevent you from getting housing. Id imagine that will be expanded, amalgamated or extrapolated to the highest bidder (much like they attempted with track and trace, though google were rejected in the UK).

Google, facebook, banks. They'll all want in.

Once you have that kind of tracking and a digital financial system, I'd imagine it will be a case of "all eyes on targets", and they will attempt to systematically wipe out the drug trade etc.

I can 100% see no reason why they wouldnt just drone strike people in third world countries who are seen as problematic based on the sensor.. then... coming to a country near you soon! I mean they already do it elsewhere and have killed many innocents, its hardly a moral quandary.

In Australia they have Covid camps... people have recieved the golden prize of a residency because they lied ablut getting tested. This nearly had me bursting into tears at points, the things this girl endured because she basically tried to evade being sent to the camp.



I'd post videos of the very costly UK covid camps for returning travellers, and the guards trying to prevent people from communicating over the fence, but sadly they have veen removed for exposing a reality that is actually occuring, that evidently you shouldnt know about. Presumably for your safety, and in order to prevent "conspiracy theories" prevailing

Goodbye subcultures, freedoms, the good and well meaning things you enjoyed that they tried to supress your whole life for whatever weird and controlling reason.

Then again, I am conveniantly an anti-vaxxer now, and a conspiracy theorist, as with many other newly and outwardly annointed. Despite never really dabbling in the world of conspiracy let alone the anti-vaxxine movement which seemed to consist mostly of mothers rightly worried about their autistic children and looking for answers.

This serves as a very conveniant smear used to discredit what I'm saying, though thankfully I know how to debunk and rebuke these kind of obvious and petty, increasingly virulent, snarky and let alone dangerous social attacks. Sadly, not many people do have that capacity. Throw in mass media censorship, social media censorship, multiple blatant lies and a lot of people are feeling ostracised and opressed. What happened to everybody caring about mental health? I'm seeing a wealth of comments telling people they are paranoid, often with snarky gle

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I just see how that game works. Did you know that if you live in Cyprus, you need to text the government a request to leave the house? 24 hour lockdown, that is literally no different from home imprisoment. Am I somehow wrong in thinking that is creepy at best and quite frankly dystopian, concerning, and indicative of things to come?

Last year, if I'd said that, I'd be labelled a conspiracy theorist. Three years ago a doomsayer, a cynic, maybe psychotic.

Here is a list of things that have been labelled conspiracy theory, on here, social media, via government, the traditional media, yet came to pass. I'm pretty sure I have seen an attempt to discredit every single one of these, at some point, on this very forum... give or take. So where does that leave the people who saw it coming, and the people who denied it?

1. Vaccines not being effective like they were sold.
2. Vaccines needing repeated booster shots.
3. Vaccines leaking from the vaccine site and causing complications (recently, I note, somewhat accepted and blamed on inadequate vaccine administration and use of a needle, like that was a kind of get out clause for being an actual thing).
4. Vaccine deaths.
5. More boosters.
6. More 'lockdowns'.
7. SMS message to government requesting to leave the house.
8. Travel quarantine camps in the UK with ridiculous security and a complete lack of rights. The mabority of people do not know. Censored. Cost of that luxury? IIRC 8k a day or week...!
9. Wondering why exactly news anchors ancross the globe have coined the phrase 'no new normal'. The great reset being a definite certified thing that is clearly being discussed.
10. Covid camps (prisons, I don't dice words) in Australia, even if you don't covid. Simply if you resist.
11. Indefinite lockdowns.
12. Vaccine mandates.
13. Vaccine passports to pafticipate in society.
14. Forced vaccination is on the table.
15. Microchips are on the fucking table.
16. Police brutality. Protest supression in the UK. Processed around the world censored.
17. Wuhan Lab Leak - a very possible potential source - Not proven, but increasingly gaining tract (even censorship acceptance!) with a mountain of circumstancial evidence. Americans are not using this for propaganda. Weird. Thouvh they literally funded the lab. Faucis use of doublespeak and denial is incredible to watch, and is waning. He looks like a man increasingly troubled of being the fall guy and facing criminal charges. His argument now rests on the definition of gain of function research... which apparently they changed the definition of. I do need to look into that. Either way, you don't want pandemics, you find out where they occurred. All cards on the table.
18. The continuous lack of privacy (tracking, backdoor apps), the ridiculous amount of censorship to allow this. No media accountability, they fact check their own articles with terrible arguments via... Roeters, amongst others. I have been directly censored on, youtube, reddit, facebook. Facebook wasn't even to do with the vaccine, I just said facebook was absolutely shit and endorsed people embracing real life again. Then posted screenshots about the new points/reporting system. They deleted, i reuploaded. Then they time limited my posting. Then they banned me from posting. Then they said a moderator would be contacting me in fifteen minutes! I
19. Btw the facebook metaverse looks like creepy fun, if you enjoyed second life becoming real.
20. UK government tracking 10% of the UK population early this year. It was only metadata though, the best type.
21. UK doctors/nurses saying they were scared and censored (see guardian, etc) because their were 'do not discuss rules in place and they felt they were being monitored'.
22. ... fucking microchips! Now on the table.

Need I continue this list? I mean, really? Have I ever been unreasonable in my 18 years posting here? Fanatical, paranoid, an avid conspiracy theorist or anti-vaxxer, for those who know me? Do I hate society and want to see its downfall, or have I always perpetuated the rise of humanity? For those who don't, definitely not.

Yet the ideas that have been smeared, sneared at and censored, appear to be an ever invading reality.

Get with the program! Or not.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Need I continue this list? I mean, really

It's a nice list, but you forgot to add sources. Just breaking your balls I'm at work can't read it now

 

[dalpat077]

The response to your post was paraphrased, "well Im not a one of the conspirators, so maybe try asking them".


This is exactly it.

You already have a banking "credit score" which can prevent you from getting housing. Id imagine that will be expanded, amalgamated or extrapolated to the highest bidder (much like they attempted with track and trace, though google were rejected in the UK).

Google, facebook, banks. They'll all want in.

Once you have that kind of tracking and a digital financial system, I'd imagine it will be a case of "all eyes on targets", and they will attempt to systematically wipe out the drug trade etc.

I can 100% see no reason why they wouldnt just drone strike people in third world countries who are seen as problematic based on the sensor.. then... coming to a country near you soon! I mean they already do it elsewhere and have killed many innocents, its hardly a moral quandary.

In Australia they have Covid camps... people have recieved the golden prize of a residency because they lied ablut getting tested. This nearly had me bursting into tears at points, the things this girl endured because she basically tried to evade being sent to the camp.



I'd post videos of the very costly UK covid camps for returning travellers, and the guards trying to prevent people from communicating over the fence, but sadly they have veen removed for exposing a reality that is actually occuring, that evidently you shouldnt know about. Presumably for your safety, and in order to prevent "conspiracy theories" prevailing

Goodbye subcultures, freedoms, the good and well meaning things you enjoyed that they tried to supress your whole life for whatever weird and controlling reason.

Then again, I am conveniantly an anti-vaxxer now, and a conspiracy theorist, as with many other newly and outwardly annointed. Despite never really dabbling in the world of conspiracy let alone the anti-vaxxine movement which seemed to consist mostly of mothers rightly worried about their autistic children and looking for answers.

This serves as a very conveniant smear used to discredit what I'm saying, though thankfully I know how to debunk and rebuke these kind of obvious and petty, increasingly virulent, snarky and let alone dangerous social attacks. Sadly, not many people do have that capacity. Throw in mass media censorship, social media censorship, multiple blatant lies and a lot of people are feeling ostracised and opressed. What happened to everybody caring about mental health? I'm seeing a wealth of comments telling people they are paranoid, often with snarky gle

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I just see how that game works. Did you know that if you live in Cyprus, you need to text the government a request to leave the house? 24 hour lockdown, that is literally no different from home imprisoment. Am I somehow wrong in thinking that is creepy at best and quite frankly dystopian, concerning, and indicative of things to come?

Last year, if I'd said that, I'd be labelled a conspiracy theorist. Three years ago a doomsayer, a cynic, maybe psychotic.

Here is a list of things that have been labelled conspiracy theory, on here, social media, via government, the traditional media, yet came to pass. I'm pretty sure I have seen an attempt to discredit every single one of these, at some point, on this very forum... give or take. So where does that leave the people who saw it coming, and the people who denied it?

1. Vaccines not being effective like they were sold.
2. Vaccines needing repeated booster shots.
3. Vaccines leaking from the vaccine site and causing complications (recently, I note, somewhat accepted and blamed on inadequate vaccine administration and use of a needle, like that was a kind of get out clause for being an actual thing).
4. Vaccine deaths.
5. More boosters.
6. More 'lockdowns'.
7. SMS message to government requesting to leave the house.
8. Travel quarantine camps in the UK with ridiculous security and a complete lack of rights. The mabority of people do not know. Censored. Cost of that luxury? IIRC 8k a day or week...!
9. Wondering why exactly news anchors ancross the globe have coined the phrase 'no new normal'. The great reset being a definite certified thing that is clearly being discussed.
10. Covid camps (prisons, I don't dice words) in Australia, even if you don't covid. Simply if you resist.
11. Indefinite lockdowns.
12. Vaccine mandates.
13. Vaccine passports to pafticipate in society.
14. Forced vaccination is on the table.
15. Microchips are on the fucking table.
16. Police brutality. Protest supression in the UK. Processed around the world censored.
17. Wuhan Lab Leak - a very possible potential source - Not proven, but increasingly gaining tract (even censorship acceptance!) with a mountain of circumstancial evidence. Americans are not using this for propaganda. Weird. Thouvh they literally funded the lab. Faucis use of doublespeak and denial is incredible to watch, and is waning. He looks like a man increasingly troubled of being the fall guy and facing criminal charges. His argument now rests on the definition of gain of function research... which apparently they changed the definition of. I do need to look into that. Either way, you don't want pandemics, you find out where they occurred. All cards on the table.
18. The continuous lack of privacy (tracking, backdoor apps), the ridiculous amount of censorship to allow this. No media accountability, they fact check their own articles with terrible arguments via... Roeters, amongst others. I have been directly censored on, youtube, reddit, facebook. Facebook wasn't even to do with the vaccine, I just said facebook was absolutely shit and endorsed people embracing real life again. Then posted screenshots about the new points/reporting system. They deleted, i reuploaded. Then they time limited my posting. Then they banned me from posting. Then they said a moderator would be contacting me in fifteen minutes! I
19. Btw the facebook metaverse looks like creepy fun, if you enjoyed second life becoming real.
20. UK government tracking 10% of the UK population early this year. It was only metadata though, the best type.
21. UK doctors/nurses saying they were scared and censored (see guardian, etc) because their were 'do not discuss rules in place and they felt they were being monitored'.
22. ... fucking microchips! Now on the table.

Need I continue this list? I mean, really? Have I ever been unreasonable in my 18 years posting here? Fanatical, paranoid, an avid conspiracy theorist or anti-vaxxer, for those who know me? Do I hate society and want to see its downfall, or have I always perpetuated the rise of humanity? For those who don't, definitely not.

Yet the ideas that have been smeared, sneared at and censored, appear to be an ever invading reality.

Get with the program! Or not.

You cannot be serious in taking that video seriously. You can dry your tears for that pretty face I assure you.

Lemme tell you something: at bare fucking minimum if there was any truth to that shit the Americans and the British and the EU would be shouting and screaming via any media they can lay their hands on not to mention sanctioning the fuck out of Australia and I can tell you the AUKUS deal would be null and void by now for sure and that would have made headlines for sure.

This fucking Internet is genuine getting on my tits. I thought the tech. companies were supposed to be taking utter bullshit down. Apparently not. Not YouTube anyway. Seems to me you have free reign on YouTube to pubilsh whatever fucking bullshit you fancy on any given day.

If anything here's what's happening:

Quarantine facilities

Find out more about Mandatory Supervised Quarantine facilities, amenities and meals during your quarantine period.

coronavirus.nt.gov.au

Don't sound like internment camps to me (depends on what narrative some idiot is trying to push I suppose).

The homeless would sacrifice limbs to move in there! Three meals per day. Nice clean and sanitized rooms. Free Internet. Sorry: no bottled water! Cheapskates! And no Uber Eats either.

Doesn't anybody check these sensationlist YT titles out before posting links to them?

Cannot actually wait for @birdup to get the fuck out of bed and see this shit. Maybe he can mosey on over to one of the "camps" and take some pics. and make some vids. of the "prisoners" for us. And be sure to look out for fresh digging (ground) i.e. maybe there's MILLIONS of Australians being interred or starved to death or shot for not wanting to eat their "camp rations".

 

[Tranced]

It's a nice list, but you forgot to add sources. Just breaking your balls I'm at work can't read it now

You're not breaking my balls at all, but for future posters who might ask I can't be arsed to provide 21 sources for what is now public knowledge and should be at least majority known or easy to find, unless you're out the loop.

That said, if it somehow legitamises my post I might. But I have a sneaking suspicion "nice list" will become "nice sources", as opposed to "fair insight".

It's probably easier if anybody wants to dispute anything I said, to tell me which parts you haven't had/need clarified with a valid source, and I can then find said source. IIRC as I posted there were 1-2 points I wasn't 100% on which I noted as I posted; SMS in cyprus, and the definition of gain of function being updated by the CDC - supposedly the same day they admitted the virus was plausibly gain of function. Needed to edit on my desktop.

So yeah, if anybody wants to tell me thay list is cool beans in their eyes, or conspiracy theory, or not conspiring amongst individuals, governments and organisations, I'll very happily "bust their balls" or whatever instead. X

Edit: FTR, I'd absolutely love for somebody to pursuade me I'm wrong and just went paranoid and delusional. Even if it means im paranoid and delusional I'll take it for the team! Can't be hallucinating these actual occurring, reported events, though.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

i honestly hope the booster shots fucking kills me it would be doing me a massive favor a easy way out of this fucking planet without the stigma of suicide

well i missed you while you were temp banned....what happened? lets talk about it...

did you volunteer for anything worthwhile during your timeout? you should share it with us...it might make us think you're really an ok guy....


and why would you get a booster if you had a heart attack from the 2nd shot? you should be medically exempt now...unless you went and saw one of those "volunteer" docs...

 

[Electrum1]

Good job U.S. gov't. Being super honest to citizens about Covid/Vaccines is really paying off.

 

[Jabberwocky]

You're not breaking my balls at all, but for future posters who might ask I can't be arsed to provide 21 sources for what is now public knowledge and should be at least majority known or easy to find, unless you're out the loop.

"I can't bothered to show evidence when asked for evidence. We all know it's true, that's my evidence. You can go find the evidence yourself."

Is this the evidence you would like to submit to court today, sir?

YouTube videos and Facebook groups are not evidence. That's... Media

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan

Evidence

 

[Mysterie]

@Tranced

list your 5 most persuasive arguments and provide sources for those claims.

 

[Derschieber]

Inflation is going to gut us all, regardless of who did what and why.
Since 2 years ago, my expenses have gone up 30+%...[my estimate], and this is only the beginning.

 

[Tranced]

"I can't bothered to show evidence when asked for evidence. We all know it's true, that's my evidence. You can go find the evidence yourself."

Thankfully not what I said. Are you generally egregeous? The evidence I would like to submit to the court, sir, is exactly what I posted; not your purposeful misrepresentation.

"I can't bothered to show evidence when asked for evidence.

Actually I said:

I can't be arsed to provide 21 sources for what is now public knowledge and should be at least majority known or easy to find, unless you're out the loop.

Because my list is referring to 21 current or past actual real world occurances or proposals in various countries/companies/people of pandemic importance, which like I say, should be majority known and have been heavily discussed and linked to on here. However, I then went on to say:

That said, if it somehow legitamises my post I might.

Like I say, I'm all for doing it, just if the request - as yours did - sounds fascetious and lining me up for a miquote, you little tinker you, then it's a case of:

But I have a sneaking suspicion "nice list" will become "nice sources", as opposed to "fair insight".

So basically to clarify I'm not going to run round appeasing people providing 21 sources just so they can be as snarky as they already intended, making me run a merry go round for things that are well documented on here and elsewhere, and have been discussed to death. It's a litle bit like if somebody was asking you to clarify and define each word that you intended.

However, being such a kindly spirit, I also ended with:

It's probably easier if anybody wants to dispute anything I said, to tell me which parts you haven't had/need clarified with a valid source, and I can then find said source.

So if you would like to dispute the validity of anything on that list being discussed, cards on the table, already literally occurring on this planet, or whatever, then, yeah, I'll happily find the links that validated it being possibly incoing & discussed/already a reality. You say no media, but newspapers are media, so are they cool? Some youtube videos are absolutely evidence, some are even provided by traditional or just outright valid media, so are they cool? I know it's a bit annoying when people post videos when debating on a forum, but I posted the video because it was of interest, not as some sort of smoking gun evidence. @dalpat077 already provided that for me when he posted the .gov link, which correborates much of what she said.

Oh and I said:

"I can't bothered to show evidence when asked for evidence. We all know it's true, that's my evidence. You can go find the evidence yourself."

Edit: FTR, I'd absolutely love for somebody to pursuade me I'm wrong and just went paranoid and delusional. Even if it means im paranoid and delusional I'll take it for the team! Can't be hallucinating these actual occurring, reported events, though.

And I meant that. I welcome discussion, and I welcome people refuting my thoughts.

Which elements of the list do I have wrong and I will review them? Do you need any links validated there? Here to help. x

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Good job U.S. gov't. Being super honest to citizens about Covid/Vaccines is really paying off.

no way Blacks are the most trustworthy of the government

i only know 1 black person who's vaxxed and she's a diabetic so that's why she got it.....other than that - zero are vaxxed that i know of

 

[Electrum1]

no way Blacks are the most trustworthy of the government

i only know 1 black person who's vaxxed and she's a diabetic so that's why she got it.....other than that - zero are vaxxed that i know of

Yeah I wondered about that too. Pretty sure Blacks are currently the least vaxxed racial demographic nationwide. Maybe they trust the gov't but don't trust big pharma, or don't trust shots developed under Trump?

 

[Foreigner]

did you even actually read the article? it does not claim that vaccines make covid worse if you catch it. it is about whether properly informed consent was given to trial participants.

it states "be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials."

it did not state that there is any evidence of such, and we know from the data of billions of doses that there is no evidence of such.

from this abstract, given that they mention well established technologies, i'm not sure why they are singling out COVID vaccines, by their own reasoning its a risk for any vaccine.

for a medical journal, international journal of clinical practise has an insanely low impact factor (2.8, compare to NEJM 91.245). doesn't mean the science they publish isn't to a high standard, but it does mean the science they publish was not to a standard sufficient for literally any better journal, see top 50 here:

Journal Rankings on Medicine (miscellaneous)

www.scimagojr.com

Oh there's plenty of science showing antibody dependent enhancement now. The fact that the study suggests it's not informed consent if people aren't told this, shows that it's a known risk that didn't exist before.

Omicron is mild but even so, people who are vaccinated are getting it worse than those who aren't.

 

[Foreigner]

Not being known for my subtlety or compassion: you don't think it would have been more appropriate to wait for a report as to his actual cause of death? And which I assume you'll update us on right?

He had no prior heart conditions, or any health conditions. Totally healthy. Died of a heart attack on ice.

Everyone, even his doctors, are drawing the same conclusion.

Not interested in your apologism. Fuck off please.

 

[Jabberwocky]

He had no prior heart conditions, or any health conditions. Totally healthy. Died of a heart attack on ice.

Everyone, even his doctors, are drawing the same conclusion.

110% anecdotal

where is the evidence, where is the report

where did you even get that story from? I'd like to analyze the source.

It's well known many deaths are contributed to covid in which it was actually something else. Many MORE other deaths are not contributed to covid when they should have been. There is no certainty in medical science... yet you claim in this case, there is?

How do you have such a medical certainty in this one specific case, when it's basically 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th hand information....

Doctors each have their own trained opinions. You know, people often get a 2nd opinion. One anecdotal opinion is not somehow a grand certainty of the damage of vaccines... especially when its ONE in A MILLION doctors.

...if I showed you a video of a light in the sky and told you it was a UFO, would you believe it without question and further investigation? -> because that's exactly what you are doing here <-

Did you know the man? Do you know the doctor? Do you personally know the person who wrote the report? If not, you're literally believing what are essentially internet stories.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Oh there's plenty of science showing antibody dependent enhancement now. The fact that the study suggests it's not informed consent if people aren't told this, shows that it's a known risk that didn't exist before.

Omicron is mild but even so, people who are vaccinated are getting it worse than those who aren't.

cite both of these claims please.

it does not remotely show that its a known risk, and it is not.

there is no way that ADE could be a risk for traditional covid vaccines when it is not for traditional vaccines for other diseases.

edit to add- yes, omicron is seemingly milder (thank fuck!). i'm requesting you cite the claim that vaccinated people are getting it worse.

 

[alasdairm]

it is curious that many people who rail against over-reporting - deaths where the deceased had covid being counted as 'covid deaths' - are quick to blame deaths where the deceased was vaccinated as being caused by the vaccine...

alasdair

 

[Jabberwocky]

it is curious that many people who rail against over-reporting - deaths where the deceased had covid being counted as 'covid deaths' - are quick to blame deaths where the deceased was vaccinated as being caused by the vaccine...

true. and they diminish covid deaths by saying people died with covid, but overstate vaccine issues by saying people died from the vaccine. i'd love to know where they get such fine grained data to be so sure of this.

 

[Foreigner]

cite both of these claims please.

it does not remotely show that its a known risk, and it is not.

Stop saying there's no evidence, when you are too lazy to look:

Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies - Nature Microbiology

Mechanisms of antibody-dependent enhancement of disease and mitigation strategies for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies are discussed.

www.nature.com

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.19.473380v1 (currently being peer reviewed)

Vaccine failure:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.20.21267966v3 (currently being peer reviewed)

So not only does the vaccine not work against omicron, there's a possibility that it makes infection worse among the vaccinated. Hence the study suggesting that "informed consent" should involve telling patients this. Duh! Do you need it spelled out further???

I don't expect you to have the expertise to read the above studies. If you have any questions please let me know.

there is no way that ADE could be a risk for traditional covid vaccines when it is not for traditional vaccines for other diseases.

ADE is common feature among many vaccines in development that only comes up after long term trials. Then the vaccines get pulled and it's back to the drawing board. Vaccines that don't show ADE pass and go to market, usually after 4 years.

We're talking about THIS vaccine. Please stay on topic.

edit to add- yes, omicron is seemingly milder (thank fuck!). i'm requesting you cite the claim that vaccinated people are getting it worse.

The overwhelming majority of people getting omicron are vaccinated, and the few ICU cases have all been among the vaccinated, both in Canada and the USA.

Not to mention, it's the vaccinated driving mutation of the virus because the vaccine is non-sterilizing.

 

[Tranced]

@Tranced

list your 5 most persuasive arguments and provide sources for those claims.

Ha, demands demands!

First of all, why? If I do do that, I get 5+ people trying to decimate five arguments at once and I will have to make some pretty expansive & exponential posts in defense, and it's Christmas tomorrow. Maybe I will. Maybe one at a time.

Interestingly @Negentropic earlier posted a new uheard of quote that "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - Carl Sagan

Had they done their research, they would know that the quote has origins going back at least a documented 271 years before Carl Sagan, and has been the subject of much discussion ever since! So to attribute it to Carl Sagan... well, you know, extraordinary claims and all that.

These matters being very extraordinary, will require a very extraordinary proof - Benjamin Bayly - 1708

Or if we want to get a bit closer, this predates Sagan by four years!!

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - Marcello Truzzi - 1975

Yeah I'm nitpicking because I knew the quote would not really be an idea that originated from Carl Sagan but rather one that he adopted from others, and them juicy sauces, but these kind of rules of logical fallacy while sometimes useful, relate to discourse and do not neccesarily stand up to actual objective reality. Plus, you need the extraordinary evidence which is kind of hard when things are being mass censored (or not), and it might not be accessible public domain information, or easily found, due to the transparency and censorship issues I mentioned in my original post. Anyway how would you even think to search for an extraordinary claim without first arriving at the common one?

I prefer this quote I found on the same page:

Extraordinary claims can rest only on extraordinary proofs. Ordinary claims are supported by common proofs.

I know that my list consists of very common and widely perpetuated, documented, claims. That said, I'm open to requests for any citations if I'm wrong and this stuff has not been reported as occurring.

And I'll try to maybe make my five persuasive arguments that are apparently required of me and hopefully provide extraordinary sauces.

110% anecdotal

Yeah still valid. "Anecdotal evidence is the basis of all inquiry" - Woody Allen