Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
I haven’t seen any disproving…just opinions…
Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
reread the data.
tell me how many the 40k is out of.
not hard.
you'll be pleasantly surprised. or unpleasantly if you'd prefer people to be suffering to fit your narrative.
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Did you know there actually a lot of cold cases that have been solved by internet sleuths , I watched a whole episode on it the other day, pretty impressiveIt's pretty crazy that a video which completely blows open the "CONSPIRACY" about covid vaccines is on youtube :O
wow!!
it's like people are playing internet facebook detective
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
yeah, or, at least the body found
I love that side of youtube. I love cold cases. I love internet sleuths. Not dissing them entirely.
Ever seen the documentary "Don't FUCK with cats" ? (pretty fucked up but got documentary about internet finding a killer/animal torturer)
there really are no covid internet "sleuths", it's all just random youtube videos with 50k dislikes, people misinterpreting data, random Karens claiming the vaxx made the magnetic and random internet doctors claiming shit without posting sources :/
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Yea I think it was Luca magnota or something ? That dude is legitimately fucked in the head, just listening to him talk you can tell there some screws loose
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
idk thats the things man, I LOVE CONSPIRACIES! I LOVE internet sleuthing.
I just haven't seen a single credible thing towards this "covid narrative" thing. :/
If I saw something that was somewhat credible I might be convinced.
Yeah the vaccines do have side effects. I had some weird vertigo side effect which concerned me after my 2nd shot... but it was very mild and also went away completely after a couple weeks. I'm TOTALLY fine.
I've put a lot of chemicals into my body, you know? It's been almost a year. I would know if the vaccine was dangerous, it's not.
Regardless, I just get mad at people so deep into the anti-vaxx stuff that they don't listen to reason anymore and call EVERYTHING that doesn't perpetuate the conspiracy as "lies". It's just not reasonable man :/
Even ghost hunters who believe in haunted houses will sometimes admit that yeah, the house wasn't haunted.
I just haven't seen a single credible thing towards this "covid narrative" thing. :/
If I saw something that was somewhat credible I might be convinced.
Yeah the vaccines do have side effects. I had some weird vertigo side effect which concerned me after my 2nd shot... but it was very mild and also went away completely after a couple weeks. I'm TOTALLY fine.
I've put a lot of chemicals into my body, you know? It's been almost a year. I would know if the vaccine was dangerous, it's not.
Regardless, I just get mad at people so deep into the anti-vaxx stuff that they don't listen to reason anymore and call EVERYTHING that doesn't perpetuate the conspiracy as "lies". It's just not reasonable man :/
Even ghost hunters who believe in haunted houses will sometimes admit that yeah, the house wasn't haunted.
I've thought a lot about why some of us can see easily that there is a lie being promoted. Although a virus exists it appears to have been cooked in a lab specifically to look dangerous but only be life threatening to people either compromised or over 80.
We have approached it with a barrage of 1/2 ready vaccines that probably would have worked if labs were allowed to complete their work. Fear mongers pushing them to hurry has resulted in the companies fearing their own products usefulness so they required liability waivers before they would even sell it to us.
Ive worked inside deadlines that required magic to meet so I used the Illusion of it being done which requires me to speak with confidence and hope the flaws are not noticed. I am watching the whole scientific community act exactly like I do when I know the wedding cake looks perfect but there is a crack inside below the icing that may turn this into a $2000 refund and the worst experience of this new couples life.
It is true in any field, if you really want the worst of everything in life demand people rush for you. Think of the last time someone demanded you do the job, you know far better than they do, faster. Did you magically get it done perfectly even sooner?
We rushed the already untrustworthy pharmaceutical giants and they rushed their staff so we have risky rushed vaccines now advertised by their own creators as below 50% effectiveness. But we are still passing laws forcing citizens to accept this, pay for this, and take it or be punished until you can no longer live in society.
I see a cocktail for creating unrest, purposely being followed like a well written agenda with well meaning enslavement of the lesser humans soon to happen probably being told it is "for their own good".
The virus and vaccine now appear like the diversion while your freedoms are being written off and half of the sheeple are actually fighting for it.
We have approached it with a barrage of 1/2 ready vaccines that probably would have worked if labs were allowed to complete their work. Fear mongers pushing them to hurry has resulted in the companies fearing their own products usefulness so they required liability waivers before they would even sell it to us.
Ive worked inside deadlines that required magic to meet so I used the Illusion of it being done which requires me to speak with confidence and hope the flaws are not noticed. I am watching the whole scientific community act exactly like I do when I know the wedding cake looks perfect but there is a crack inside below the icing that may turn this into a $2000 refund and the worst experience of this new couples life.
It is true in any field, if you really want the worst of everything in life demand people rush for you. Think of the last time someone demanded you do the job, you know far better than they do, faster. Did you magically get it done perfectly even sooner?
We rushed the already untrustworthy pharmaceutical giants and they rushed their staff so we have risky rushed vaccines now advertised by their own creators as below 50% effectiveness. But we are still passing laws forcing citizens to accept this, pay for this, and take it or be punished until you can no longer live in society.
I see a cocktail for creating unrest, purposely being followed like a well written agenda with well meaning enslavement of the lesser humans soon to happen probably being told it is "for their own good".
The virus and vaccine now appear like the diversion while your freedoms are being written off and half of the sheeple are actually fighting for it.
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Yes but at the same time scientist are human and make mistakes too, that’s why it’s always changing. My motto is never trust someone trying to sell you something, even though it’s our tax money paying for it I think that still applies…If the virus had even a 20% mortality rate I might get the vaccine, but the risk is so low to begin with I don’t want to start pushing my odds with the vaccine too…
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
this is the worst analogy i've ever seen attempted. this is just not how pre clinical and clinical trials work. ever.
would you seirously expect to roll something out to billions of people and not have the flaws noticed? do you really think intelligent people who have flew in the faces of their friends and family to get a phd and establish a career as a researcher (the opposite of your compliant, non-critical thinker) are just going to try and get that past people?
you have never tried to get a dodgy sentence past reviewer number 2. that much is clear.
birdup
Bluelight Crew
Las Veghost grower said:
So you might take a chance with something that has a one in a million chance of killing you, if it protects you from a virus that has a one in five chance of killing you?
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Yep because I am overall healthy and I have no clue how the vaccine will effect me in the long run
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
That’s the thing we’re not talking about a virus with a 1n5 chance of killing you, we’re talking about a virus with a slightly higher chance then the vaccine, but we don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine, to me it’s a no brainer, should I take 1 risk or 2 ? Hmmm
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
poor analogy, particularly painful in light of my above 'worst analogy i have ever seen' post above, but i come from Polish blood and we lost 20% of our population in WW2.
your tax money paid to fight against that. your people paid for that with their lives (assuming, given your quotes elsewhere about owning a gun, that you are from the US). do you have any idea what it is like to see 20% of your blood die? i'm talking a full 20% so assuming a 100% transmission rate to make the analogy vaguely acceptable but people fighting on your side are arguing that's already happened or close to occurring.
your quote is truly spoken like someone who doesn't have a large proportion of their brethren dying within their families living memory and doesn't really comprehend what it takes to fight against that.
anyway. i'm too close to godwins law so i'll leave it at that.
scientists do make mistakes, but for some things the evidence is overwhelming.
when you say slightly higher than the vaccine, you mean orders of magnitude.
what is your evidence that the long term effects of the vaccine are worse than those of contracting covid? what biological mechanisms do you propose to govern this?
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Orders of magnitude or fractions of a percent in your overall chance of survival ?
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
orders of magnitude and fractions of a percent are the same thing.
if you don't understand that, and given you asked its a fair assumption, then you need to get some classes before we can continue this conversation.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
@Las Veghost grower not a single thing you said in your reasoning not to get vaxxed mentions public health or your family :'(
sometimes governments make public health decisions for the greater good, even if you don't understand them, governments consider overall public health more than, say, a person's view on wearing a mask.
I understand how some people might think that's somehow fascist, but it's not. It's edging closer towards "medical fascism", but still, it's not. The response to covid has been a norm in human society for quite literally over a hundred years now. Look at how we handled past virus. The Spanish Flu? Polio?
Do you think science is somehow less competent and more corrupt than... 70, 100 years ago?
sometimes governments make public health decisions for the greater good, even if you don't understand them, governments consider overall public health more than, say, a person's view on wearing a mask.
I understand how some people might think that's somehow fascist, but it's not. It's edging closer towards "medical fascism", but still, it's not. The response to covid has been a norm in human society for quite literally over a hundred years now. Look at how we handled past virus. The Spanish Flu? Polio?
Do you think science is somehow less competent and more corrupt than... 70, 100 years ago?
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
you can word it however you like, it dosent increase your chance of survival by a whole lot, not enough to justify taking some new cocktail with no long term safety data
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
you were the one that asked re wording, not me. so why ask?
what is your proposed biological mechanism by which any one of the covid vaccines could have an impact in the long term? for your stance to have any meaning, you need to propose one. otherwise the covid vaccines could be making us immortal, since we have no long term data.
and please do not propose reverse transcription because i'm bored of that attempt and can't be bothered to explain even one of the many levels its wrong on for the time being/maybe ever again.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
Insult (...you don't understand me, you can use your fancy words)
Ignore (...reading from your own sheet of data, ignoring science or the official opinion)
Divert (...the real problem is the CONSPIRACY and magnifying any DOUBT there is in this vaccine)
the antivaxx trifecta... Divert, Insult, Ignore... I've been saying it for the last few days now. You can break down all of these antivaxx posts into these 3 things
Las Veghost grower
Bluelighter
Then why do they even bother doing trials to begin with ? Just mix it n sell cause for all we know it makes us immortal right ?