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Mental Health Benzos: How bad are they long term?

@Robi did you come off celexa, buspirone AND gabapentin cold turkey all at once?? No wonder you feel like shit!!! That's hectic! A small dose of xanax will help BUT please please avoid getting addicted to the xanax. Benzo withdrawals are absolute hell.
 
n3ophy7e said:
@Robi did you come off celexa, buspirone AND gabapentin cold turkey all at once?? No wonder you feel like shit!!! That's hectic! A small dose of xanax will help BUT please please avoid getting addicted to the xanax. Benzo withdrawals are absolute hell.
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ive just begun taking those 3 new meds,,4 days now , was given xanax as well, but im fighting not taking them, maybe only in extreme crisis,,,,like going to family stuff, i was talking smack not going to eat up all this xanax, just feeling weird, comes in waves, right now i dont feel like i did hours ago, its all just so weird, yeah i dont wanna go thru hell, did for a good week off fent and that was such a lesson cuz i never was addicted before, barely smoked pot or drank, im a bit older now and shocked i got caught up in that, but yeah started to get all freaked out and just sought help, and this new doc gave me all these drugs ty for advise and concern
 
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Robi said:
ive just begun taking those 3 new meds,,4 days now , was given xanax as well, but im fighting not taking them, maybe only in extreme crisis,,,,like going to family stuff, i was talking smack not going to et up all this xanax, just feeling weird, comes in waves, right now i dont feel like i did hours ago, its all just so weird, yeah i dont wanna go thru hell, did for a good week off fent and that was such a lesson cuz i never was addicted before, barely smoked pot or drank, im a bit older now and shocked i got caught up in that, but yeah started to get all freaked out and just sought help, and this new doc gave me all these drugs ty for advise and concern
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Oh sorry, I misunderstood. Gabapentin and Buspar are very effective for treating anxiety, you should be getting some good effects from them soon.
 
OK...Update on what I thought were dope withdrawals. Yes, I had come off the heroin and had 17 days clean. But I have kicked cold turkey many times before, and I never had the chills, sweating, sneezing shit last more than a week or maybe 10 days. And then I remembered that I was also coming off of my xans. THAT is what I was experiencing. I came right off 1mg. I had run out too soon and
after 3 days, said 'fuck it' and kept going...even after my script got filled. I used clonidine and gabapentin. That is it. I slept 6 hours straight two nights ago and almost that last night. No more chills, sweats, etc. I do however, still get muscle spasms that rock me up from my bed! Few and far between. I am so fucking glad I have that shit out of my system. It worked for my anxiety in the beginning but of course, over time I had to increase my dosage. So, no more.
 
neophy7e said:
I guess benzos are just bad for some people.
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@n3ophy7e

There is a class of drugs that is bad for everyone. Some people can't handle opiates. Some people can't handle uppers.

I don't have a huge benzo problem. If I eat one of them, I tend to forget and then have another... so I got a timelock box to fix that problem. Now they are not a problem at all. On the contrary, they are a very useful tool.

I can have a small amount of benzo and it achieves something that no amount of weed and alcohol can achieve. I am an alcoholic because of a lack of benzos. I keep drinking to try to get somewhere that alcohol doesn't take me. Alcohol is the wrong drug for me. Benzos make a lot more sense.

Having said all that, I have had serious problems with benzos in the past.

I think the main problem is you need to treat them like a hard drug.

Everything is a hard drug. That's the best way to look at it.

Marijuana can fuck up your life too.
 
birdup said:
@n3ophy7e

There is a class of drugs that is bad for everyone. Some people can't handle opiates. Some people can't handle uppers.

I don't have a huge benzo problem. If I eat one of them, I tend to forget and then have another... so I got a timelock box to fix that problem. Now they are not a problem at all. On the contrary, they are a very useful tool.

I can have a small amount of benzo and it achieves something that no amount of weed and alcohol can achieve. I am an alcoholic because of a lack of benzos. I keep drinking to try to get somewhere that alcohol doesn't take me. Alcohol is the wrong drug for me. Benzos make a lot more sense.

Having said all that, I have had serious problems with benzos in the past.

I think the main problem is you need to treat them like a hard drug.

Everything is a hard drug. That's the best way to look at it.

Marijuana can fuck up your life too.
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Benzo can be replaced with a few meds-barb.,but they are even more dangeorus.Gaba drugs for some exten and for a short timeZ drugs -may be initialy to combat insomnia.Alcohol can not replace benzo.Benzo(diazepam/ is for alc.withdrawl...longer period of use could not be more than couple of weeks.
 
Withdrawal is extremely bad with benzos, yes.

I would say worse than heroin.

It just depends on the person.

I've gone through benzo withdrawals once. It was cold turkey along with alcohol, marijuana and dexamphetamine. All four, cold turkey. The withdrawals were absolutely horrible. Alcohol withdrawal is easy for me. Dex is nothing even if I take it every day for years. Marijuana is a tricky beast. That's just how I'm wired, I guess.

Different benzos are totally different in terms of capacity for harm and withdrawal/addictiveness. I consume etizolam because I bought it not knowing what it was and now I'm stuck with it.

Etizolam > Xanax > Valium.

In rehab, in Australia, they give you Valium. It is never enough to make you high. It just makes you numb.

Benzos can make me numb, but they can also open me up.
 
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Yeah, I still think it depends on the person. Asian people (I think?) have a particular reaction to alcohol. They get a red face. Maybe it's certain Asian countries. I'm not sure. But, there's definitely a spectrum of alcohol tolerance versus race.

I used to drink absurd amounts of alcohol. Like I would drink a bottle of wine in less than five minutes. I have consumed massive amounts of alcohol every day for years and then stopped without *significant withdrawal symptoms.

I am Scottish.

EDIT: I mean significant relative to heroin and benzos.
 
birdup said:
Yeah, I still think it depends on the person. Asian people (I think?) have a particular reaction to alcohol. They get a red face. Maybe it's certain Asian countries. I'm not sure. But, there's definitely a spectrum of alcohol tolerance versus race.
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Yes it is true, some Asian people (and in fact some Aboriginal people in Australia) lack the enzyme that breaks down alcohol in the liver, so alcohol is literally poison to them and they can only have 1 drink before they get the negative effects from it.
 
n3ophy7e said:
Yes it is true, some Asian people (and in fact some Aboriginal people in Australia) lack the enzyme that breaks down alcohol in the liver, so alcohol is literally poison to them and they can only have 1 drink before they get the negative effects from it.
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Lightweights pfff(just kidding) hshshs.
 
Simple answer to this question is one of the first things taught during med school regarding medication prescribing:

Every patient needs to be individually assessed on the cons vs the pros of the medication.

There are some people on benzodiazepines for nearly there whole life- however the possible negatives in the long run aren't a match for the improved quality of life.

Benzos cop a lot of shit these days and yes they need to be used with caution and properly. However they are also a god send for people like myself, my father and my grandfather. SSRI/SNRI's caused more problems for me in 12 months then benzos have in 15years.
 
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simstim said:
The recommended dosages you pointed out are a pretty good indicator that MDMA is far LESS toxic than meth. That's primarily because mg for mg METH is a much more potent stimulant. In every way.

In all of the neurotoxicity studies I have read the doses of meth administered to experimental animals to induce neurotoxicity is a much lower mg/kg than the neurotoxic doses of MDMA.

All of that points to meth being far more toxic. Not MDMA.

I can tell you from personal experience that 120mg of meth up the nose is far more stimulating than 120mg of MDMA. It is also more neurotoxic and lasts way, way longer.
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Toxicity is reasonably analyzed by comparison with active doses, not simply by looking at toxicity per weight. With super potent substances in powder form there is also a practical issue regarding weights, but meth can be dosed reasonably by eyeballing.

I never tried meth but i know powders and mg's.

Edit: Sorry if i bumped a derail, didn't notice thread length before replying.
 
Kava has many mechanisms based on seven active compounds. It hasn't been fully dug-into, but plausible NRI and MAOI-B activity makes use for anxiolysis unproductive.
 
AutoTripper said:
If you look at that link I sent you this is the problem this is a myth a major misunderstanding the travesty and injustice which has kept kava off the map based on totally flawed miss conducted studies decades ago which used extracts which contains a range of carbon lactones not present at all in regular kava products.

This particular misinformation out of context entirely has been the primary deterrent for people who have actually heard about it as not looked further but is absolutely unfounded just needs understanding with context like don't ever mix it with alcohol seriously have a look at that link I gave you because it rushes over that and the general logistics of it as well.
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Worth repeating. In 2002 Kava was almost declared illegal in the US because one or two stories of people who used kava died of liver damage. When it was investigated further these people were on a host of medications too. But kava root was found not toxic on the liver. Some other parts of the plant may be but the root is clear. Thousands of years of daily use says much more than any speculation.

I like the fact that islanders will drink as a family. Can't do that with alcohol. Kava is like the opposite of alcohol. It really does promote peace. When one makes a proper brew and "sees and hears" the kava it gets easier to tune into. Sort of like when cannabis takes time to work on people.

It has been a while since I had kava, my wife drinks it everday sine she gave up alcohol 9 years ago. My last uses I would come home from work all stressed, then before dinner on an empty stomach slam two mugs worth in 5 minutes. Then let the calmness and bliss type of feeling take hold very quickly (I like that part) and melt anxiety away. It is a pain in the butt to make so that stops people. lol It would be awesome if one pill felt as strong as half a cup of good kava and took hold as quick.
 
@AutoTripper

I'm certainly intrigued but it's illegal here and I have no access to it. Also, I don't really want to replace alcohol with anything. I shouldn't be adding more drugs to my resume at this point.
 
It’s a okay long term solution if not abused, same goes for cannabis, I could recommend cannabis if you don’t have addictive tendencies.
 
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