AZ desert raves are riddled with fake LSD

[Paperhead]

It was already hard to find real LSD25 pre covid and I've had no luck finding it since the beginning of quarantine. I've got 6 other shit hallucinogens sold to me as LSD since then. Tabs, liquid, gels, all passed Ehrlich and all fake.

I had my last real tab back in June and it's terrifying that it might be the last real LSD I'll ever take. I don't even want to take it right now, I just want to have it so when something special comes up I know I can enjoy it with Lucy.

 

[deficiT]

Wow, that's a bummer. It's definitely out there, maybe you'll have to explore other avenues to find it, sorry you've had such rotten luck with it. Good on you for testing it though.

 

[Paperhead]

Wow, that's a bummer. It's definitely out there, maybe you'll have to explore other avenues to find it, sorry you've had such rotten luck with it. Good on you for testing it though.

I always test them but I have to try each at home to know for sure if they're real and it's getting real exhausting. Setting up your apartment hoping for a trip on the weekend only to have a massive disappointment while hallucinating.

I don't know what other revenues are out there, I used to work at a restaurant and bought from my coworkers and have gotten fake LSD, now desert raves are filled with fake LSD. What source would always have real LSD? Or you just have to keep buying fake ones til you find the real deal no matter where you go?

 

[G_Chem]

Ok I’m curious how you know it’s fake LSD if it’s passing the Elhrich? Nearly all RC’s that are cheaper and sold in place of LSD don’t pass.

Test before you buy every time unless you trust them.

-GC

 

[Jabberwocky]

I went through a pretty bizarre mania about LSD not so long ago and bought well over 1000 doses in various size packs ranging from 20 tabs to 200 tabs as well as some sold as liquid.

I probably dealt with 10 different dealers via the Darkweb in 3 different countries including 2 in North America. Every single pack tested positive on both Ehlrich and Hofman reagents. I tripped off every single pack taking what should have been a 300 ug dose.

Some of the trips were quite different. Some had a very noticeably high body load (actually really unpleasant in one lot) and some were as smooth as silk all the way up. But they all ended up in the same psychedelic place.

Based on that, I have trouble believing there actually is any fake LSD anywhere!

 

[negrogesic]

I've got 6 other shit hallucinogens sold to me as LSD since then. Tabs, liquid, gels, all passed Ehrlich and all fake.

Can you elaborate by passed? You mean it reacted to ehrlich like LSD, or some indole?

 

[Paperhead]

Ok I’m curious how you know it’s fake LSD if it’s passing the Elhrich? Nearly all RC’s that are cheaper and sold in place of LSD don’t pass.

Test before you buy every time unless you trust them.

-GC

After the Ehrlich test I always take them at home in a good set and setting to make sure they're real before I can take them anywhere else.

I'm an experienced LSD taker and have songs, videos and images I have listened/seen on LSD many times. LSD changes music, colors, patterns in a very unique way. All the fake LSD I took have different characteristics but real LSD no matter where I get them is always consistent. By taking it at home it's a lot more obvious when things don't move right, colors muted, music sounds horrible etc.

One time the fake LSD was so terrible, after it plateaued I took a tab of real LSD. You know how re-dosing LSD is faster and much easier on the body? Well I was having a full LSD come up, I could tell I was on something else and LSD kicked in. Then music, colors, patterns changed as expected, proven they were different substances.

I guess some of them could be synthetic psilocybin/psilocin? They would make Ehrlich turn purple and the hallucination felt like some of my mushroom trips. But it doesn't really matter what they are, just because I don't know what they might be doesn't mean they are LSD now.

 

[Jabberwocky]

There are at least 26 psychoactive substances that turn Ehlhrich purple. Only a very few of these will fit on a blotter in a proper size dose.

But there are only four psychoactive substances known to ALSO turn Hofman blue. Those are LSD-25, ETH-LAD, Ergonovine, and 1V-LSD. So you could get a more conclusive results using Hofman as well. It’s pretty unlikely you got 1V-LSD since it has only been around since July this year. Almost every other substance including psilocin/psilocybin could be confirmed with just 1 additional reagent from Ehrlich.

Most people say that ETH-LAD and iV-LSD are pretty good trips with ETH-LAD being a fair bit more hallucinatory. Most user reports I’ve read don’t dismiss them as “fake LSD”.

If I thought I bought LSD-25 and it turned out to be ETH-LAD I’d be pretty happy.

 

[G_Chem]

After the Ehrlich test I always take them at home in a good set and setting to make sure they're real before I can take them anywhere else.

I'm an experienced LSD taker and have songs, videos and images I have listened/seen on LSD many times. LSD changes music, colors, patterns in a very unique way. All the fake LSD I took have different characteristics but real LSD no matter where I get them is always consistent. By taking it at home it's a lot more obvious when things don't move right, colors muted, music sounds horrible etc.

One time the fake LSD was so terrible, after it plateaued I took a tab of real LSD. You know how re-dosing LSD is faster and much easier on the body? Well I was having a full LSD come up, I could tell I was on something else and LSD kicked in. Then music, colors, patterns changed as expected, proven they were different substances.

I guess some of them could be synthetic psilocybin/psilocin? They would make Ehrlich turn purple and the hallucination felt like some of my mushroom trips. But it doesn't really matter what they are, just because I don't know what they might be doesn't mean they are LSD now.

Im going to call placebo on this one, or variation in LSD batches. It’s been a long long time since any LSD in the states has tested anything but LSD or NBome or NBoh substances. Both of which would show on the Elhrich.

No LSD doesn’t always give the same visual effects, or effects music in the same exact way. To expect such is ludicrous to be honest.

You remind me of my good friend and how he trips. Same exact setting nearly every time, plays the same music playlist every time, does the same activities. You’re trying to hold onto something and relive an experience exactly the same time and again when life (and subsequently our experiences) are constantly evolving. Now that you can’t recapture those old feelings and experiences you’ve gone to blame the one thing that’s the least likely variable of the bunch to actually change.

This is becoming a common theme these days. But I’m sure you know paper better than I and will disagree. I’ve been eating LSD for a long time and least around me I’ve noticed only an increase in dosage and purity (often felt as a rough come up in the old days).

-GC

 

[Paperhead]

Im going to call placebo on this one, or variation in LSD batches. It’s been a long long time since any LSD in the states has tested anything but LSD or NBome or NBoh substances. Both of which would show on the Elhrich.

No LSD doesn’t always give the same visual effects, or effects music in the same exact way. To be expect such is ludicrous to be honest.

You remind me of my good friend and how he trips. Same exact setting nearly every time, plays the same music playlist every time, does the same activities. You’re trying to hold onto something and relive an experience exactly the same time and again when life (and subsequently our experiences) are constantly evolving. Now that you can’t recapture those old feelings and experiences you’ve gone to blame the one thing that’s the least likely variable of the bunch to actually change.

This is becoming a common theme these days. But I’m sure you know paper better than I and will disagree. I’ve been eating LSD for a long time and least around me I’ve noticed only an increase in dosage and purity (often felt as a rough come up in the old days).

-GC

So I have real LSD I'm pretending it's not? As long as I don't think about it then I have real LSD lol? "Variation in batches", it's a chemical not weed or mushroom.

No I don't always do the same thing to "relive an experience", I said I only look at the same things as controls to "make sure they're real before I can take them anywhere else".

I didn't post to argue what's real or not, I've gotten real LSD from different sources that do the exact same things. I've also taken blotters from the same sheet at different times of my life and they do the exact same things. I can tell the discrepancy of the real deal and fake shit. If you think anything that makes your vision go squiggly is LSD then enjoy, I'm looking for something more special.

 

[deficiT]

I think his point being that your only proof of it being is your subjective experience and you don't have any real evidence that it's not LSD, besides your subjective experience which is entirely unreliable.

I agree, there is very little "fake lsd" going around, and if it is it certainly wouldn't pass for lsd.

 

[deficiT]

The only thing I could think of would be a different lysergamide, but it's likely that that would be sold "as is" and wouldn't even need to be passed off as LSD, as they are so similar to begin with, they are also in most cases just as if not more expensive than LSD, so it would be in no ones best interest to pass off as legitimate LSD.

 

[Paperhead]

No LSD doesn’t always give the same visual effects, or effects music in the same exact way. To expect such is ludicrous to be honest.

It's ludicrous to take a drug and expect something different every time. Do you take Tylenol and have different effects each time? Do you do coke and have different effects each time? No, LSD is no different.

I'm not saying I saw hands in my visuals last time so I have to see hands again. I'm saying the way LSD pulls out depth, making colors vibrant and juicy, making patterns where there is none etc. is the same every time. And the shit hallucinogens I had aren't the same.

People who think LSD gives completely different effects every time is why these fake hallucinogens are passed off as LSD because some people can't even tell the difference.

 

[Paperhead]

I think his point being that your only proof of it being is your subjective experience and you don't have any real evidence that it's not LSD, besides your subjective experience which is entirely unreliable.

I agree, there is very little "fake lsd" going around, and if it is it certainly wouldn't pass for lsd.

It's not just me, other psychonauts have taken these and we came to the same conclusion separately.

As I said I don't know what they are, it doesn't really matter because I don't know what they might be doesn't mean they are real LSD now.

 

[deficiT]

It's ludicrous to take a drug and expect something different every time. Do you take Tylenol and have different effects each time? Do you do coke and have different effects each time? No, LSD is no different.

I'm not saying I saw hands in my visuals last time so I have to see hands again. I'm saying the way LSD pulls out depth, making colors vibrant and juicy, making patterns where there is none etc. is the same every time. And the shit hallucinogens I had aren't the same.

People who think LSD gives completely different effects every time is why these fake hallucinogens are passed off as LSD because some people can't even tell the difference.

Mate, it's a hallucinogen, it literally makes you see and feel things that aren't there, of course the effects can be variable every time, that's why set and setting are so important. It's common psychonaut knowledge that every psychedelic experience is it's own beast and can be different in effects. I think you need to do some different tests if you are to be sure that you're not getting legitimate LSD. Relying on solely your subjective experience isn't scientifically sound.

 

[deficiT]

Factoring in your friends anecdotal experience doesn't make it any more so sound.

 

[deficiT]

Not trying to give you a hard time, just saying. I would do more tests before you throw good psychedelics in the bin or whatever you plan on doing with them.

 

[Phobos]

It's not just me, other psychonauts have taken these and we came to the same conclusion separately.

As I said I don't know what they are, it doesn't really matter because I don't know what they might be doesn't mean they are real LSD now.

One good objective argument that could be made is time of onset and duration of effects.
If the onset is too short or too slow, the plateau comes too soon or too late, the effects subside sooner or later than normal for LSD, and all your friends report a similar timeline, that would be something.

 

[Paperhead]

Mate, it's a hallucinogen, it literally makes you see and feel things that aren't there, of course the effects can be variable every time, that's why set and setting are so important. It's common psychonaut knowledge that every psychedelic experience is it's own beast and can be different in effects. I think you need to do some different tests if you are to be sure that you're not getting legitimate LSD. Relying on solely your subjective experience isn't scientifically sound.

As I said when I test them it's the exact same set and settings and I look at the exact same things every time. I think I do it a lot more scientifically than people who only take it at different places and do different things.

Real LSD has the exact same effects no matter which batch or time I take it. Sure you will see different objects and patterns when you close your eyes, but the way LSD changes how your brain interpretes the surrounding is the same. The same substance will have the same chemical reactions in your body exactly the same every time. It's not magic, it's chemistry.

 

[Paperhead]

One good objective argument that could be made is time of onset and duration of effects.
If the onset is too short or too slow, the plateau comes too soon or too late, the effects subside sooner or later than normal for LSD, and all your friends report a similar timeline, that would be something.

Thank you for not immediately dismissing the concept. I've been going through this and trying to do the tests scientifically with A LOT of trial and error for years now. You brought up a really good point I forgot about.

With dosage in mind, most of the fake LSD we had hit way too early and the onsets were slow, one of the latest lasted almost two and half hours. Also the onset uncomfortableness like muscle tentions never went away on some of them. When it's real LSD once the onset is over, we would have significantly less muscle tensions.

Literally every aspect about these were different from real LSD other than they gave you a hallucination, but they were annoy and cumbersome instead of enhancing like real LSD.