What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[mars2025]

Lol, it definitely is what it is. Crap. To say there’s nothing wrong with today’s MDMA tells me one thing...you haven’t done any ecstasy pre-2010. If the only car I’ve ever driven in my lifetime was a Ford Focus, I would think the Ford Focus was the best car in the world.

LeJunk,

Could you send a sample of your magic MDMA to Energy Control? It'd be useful to know purity % and impurities, if any

 

[BlueBull]

Heheh, I had a full blown conversation with a lampost once, but that was on the tail end of the good stuff. I find that MehDMA can get me in that delirious state very quickly without the awesome roll first.

Agreed. Although what is the same is that for mehDMA it also happens on the tail end for me. And it is vastly amplified by weed, both the confusion and the visuals. It is insane the visuals I have seen, more lifelike than any hallucinogen I've ever done, typical for delirium indeed

 

[Negi]

So it sounds like that report was just a case of residual tolerance (or a low dose in the initial pill) then. This is why I have focused on trying to get more detailed symptoms of mehDMA and tried to identify cases where people have had at least one "magic" MDMA experiences after the meh ones. Especially as more people know about this thread, they are quick to place the blame on the MDMA before anything else.

 

[fasterfb]

So it sounds like that report was just a case of residual tolerance (or a low dose in the initial pill) then.

Also, the Reddit poster stated that he didn't get to where he wanted after the 250 mg RedBull pill.
But then: "So I said fuck it and popped a 150mg Dutch Crystal capsule. OK now I was where I wanted to be."

So maybe the crystal was real MDMA and maybe he would have gotten the desired effects from the 'real' Molly crystals alone.
The crystal that I have gives me crazy eye wiggles and intense euphoria at only 100 mg.

Although I will concede that the pills I got in the 1990's were somehow different and maybe (?) more 'magical'.
But I have no complaints about the MDMA that I get currently.

 

[mooka]

Nearly all this thread is based on the assumption the meh is somehow a mistake in the production of MDMA, the new MDMA (Meh) issue is not an accident, a mistake, an unexpected reaction by-product, it is made that way, globally, intentionally. No active undetectable, super strong impurities, no polymorphism, nothing, nada, nicht.

Meh is brought to you on a global scale since the natural precursors sources were banned and dried out. It is produced mostly in the Netherlands by organizations that control the import of synthetic precursors from China, the same people that tuned those to be more profitable. From here is my guess that is exported in the form of freebase all around the globe and treated locally, easier to conceal and hardly detected by normal controls, you can hid it mixed it with solids or liquids, a single barrel is enough to cover the supply of usa and canada for weeks or even months.

No offence but don't be naive, don't think as a drug user, think as a marketing person, there's only one thing more lucrative than a good drug: a meh-diocre one.

If a big producer wants to increase his revenue while controlling the market what's better than a weaker, tuned down version of the real deal? Why selling a product that will make you dance happy for 5 hours with 100mg when he can sell you a short acting, similar but not equal substance in tabs of 200-300mg and more? And floods the markets with this cheap, generic no-brand cola.

The occasional finding of legit, magic mdma is the result of small, local, idealist entrepreneurs, big drugs mafia doesn't give a f**k about quality, they are after the big money.

And that test as 100% legit with the common reagents and GC-IR? Wow, the perfect deception!

With 4 standard MDMA dosage (100-120mg each) tabs in the 90's and 2000's you could attend a 24 hrs house-techno rave party, now with the same amount you'll just live a dull boring experience, and possibly get sick. They did the same with cocaine, but this is another story.

The change was driven in a very clever way I have to say, keep the dry for some time, just to find new channels of supply, and most of the users will left the scene anyway and the new ones? Well... how somebody said in this thread: If you always drive a focus, and a focus if all you can get, it easy to think that you're driving a ferrari. (more or less but you get the point, sorry I can't remember who you are).

Even here, in a drugs forum nearly all the users think that meh-mdma it's legit, a perfectly good ferrari.

No one cares actually, except few old folks like us.

So what it meh? What makes it different from MDMA? The answer is in the prefixes ortho, meta and para.
I've said this previously but (with a bit of superficiality, again no offence) this has been totally ignored.
Shulgin describes the effects of ortho-mda in Pihkal #100: “A final isomer to be mentioned is a positional isomer. The 3,4-methylene-dioxy group could be at the 2,3-position of the amphetamine skeleton, giving 2,3-methylenedioxyamphetamine, or ORTHO-MDA. It appears to be a stimulant rather than another MDA. At 50 milligrams, one person was awake and alert all night, but reported no MDA-like effects “

So a little change in the molecule produces a massive change in mental effects, shifting from a psychedelic amphetamine to a simple stimulant, which, in our case, is what meh is, just a plain stimulant (and not a very good one either).
All the substances that are part of the magical dozen have the 4th position occupied, think mescaline, 2cb, mmda, mdma, mda ,mde, DOx, etc.
So is my opinion that this is the very first place to look in depth, since all the other theories have very little to none grounds to be real. I'm 99.99% certain that meh-mdma is ortho-mdma or 2,3-mdma.
I'll explain later why.

 

[ThreePointCircle]

LeJunk,

Could you send a sample of your magic MDMA to Energy Control? It'd be useful to know purity % and impurities, if any

He did (or the one in the US, I can't remember now) and no difference was detected. Energy Control has confirmed that they aren't able to carry out the detailed kind of analysis that would identify impurities that aren't in high concentration and that they don't have a reference for (I believe that's an accurate recount of what they said). That would include the candidates that have been discussed on here.

Tbf, that's what some of the more knowledgeable chemistry people on here were saying anyway.

 

[Negi]

So is my opinion that this is the very first place to look in depth, since all the other theories have very little to none grounds to be real. I'm 99.99% certain that meh-mdma is ortho-mdma or 2,3-mdma.

I'm just going to quote myself from the last time you posted this theory (this thread is just endlessly circling the same few topics):

The 2,3-MDMA theory is very hard to support given the knowledge that the Dutch police lab is aware of it, has protocols in place to detect it, and has still never seen it. They are going to be testing a vast range of samples, from those taken directly from the reaction vessels of seized labs, all the way to down to the finished product that was intercepted as it was being mailed out of the country. If 2,3-MDMA really is the problem, "mehDMA" is the isolated problem of a few American producers bamboozled by their chemical supplier and the solution for everyone would be to hop on a DNM and order directly from the largest Dutch vendor they can find.

Remember I emailed a researcher who also works at the main Dutch police lab:

Subject: RE: Regarding your research on the detection of positional isomers

Hello [Name],

Thank you for your e-mail.
I am aware of the potential risk of forensic laboratories to encounter a novel, yet uncontrolled, positional isomer of MDMA and we've put additional QC checks in place to detect this and prevent a false positive identifications.
However, from both my own experience and trend reports (e.g. UNODC, EMCDDA reports) and the NPS Early Warning website https://www.unodc.org/LSS/Home/NPS we don't have any signs that MDMA positional isomers actually do appear on the street markets in a vast amount.
I know that 2,3-MDMA exists; but I've never encountered this in a case sample until now. I've studied this compound as this one might have near-similar MS fragmentation and pose a risk for a false positive. We've found that retention time and GC-MS match still can give a first clue and additional analysis by GC-VUV can clearly distinguish them (see paper enclosed). For other positional isomers with variations near the amine moiety we can expect major fragmentation differences in MS, thus they can clearly be differentiated.

So, no, I am not aware of MDMA positional isomers in street samples (at least not in The Netherlands). We do encounter designer drugs and mixtures thereof in a single sample, although these are mainly other groups of substances, such as the cathinones or fluorinated (meth)amphetamines.

Kind regards,

Ruben

If you look at his published research, he has four papers about detecting drug isomers using different methods (he even uses 2,3-MDMA and 3,4-MDMA as a specific test case in two of them). I'm pretty sure he's doing a PhD thesis on the topic. If he is saying that the Dutch police lab is looking in the right places but has never seen any isomers, I'm willing to take that at face value.

 

[BlueBull]

I'm just going to quote myself from the last time you posted this theory (this thread is just endlessly circling the same few topics):


Remember I emailed a researcher who also works at the main Dutch police lab:


If you look at his published research, he has four papers about detecting drug isomers using different methods (he even uses 2,3-MDMA and 3,4-MDMA as a specific test case in two of them). I'm pretty sure he's doing a PhD thesis on the topic. If he is saying that the Dutch police lab is looking in the right places but has never seen any isomers, I'm willing to take that at face value.

This is extremely interesting. Thank you for posting that

 

[andyturbo]

Interesting thread.

So the Netherlands are pretty involved in the MDMA trade?

Some of these post make it seem like 90% of the chemical reagents for MDMA production are coming out of Dutch labs, is that really the case?

Who knows the exact percentage but yes a very large number.

 

[andyturbo]

that's really interesting. I wonder why that is. Find it interesting because the Netherlands I am sure have a well funded police force, and a well developed legal system compared to developing countries that often are involved in drug production.

Perhaps the Dutch chemist are just regarded as really good for working with this class of drug? I think I have read about Dutch chemist going to China to set up shops and train people to produce things for them- so maybe they do have a good rep for making good product.

Tons of drugs in the US but my understanding is that the vast majority of it comes from other places, mostly South America. My sense is that the DEA has been pretty effective the last 20 years at drying up access to needed reagents like pseudoephedrine for cooking meth and have really undercut domestics production of many popular street drugs?

Figure the Dutch government could do the same if they wanted to crack down on domestic producers?

I think it is mostly due to the very relaxed drug laws and culture.

Even though drug manufacturing is a serious offense, the amount of police resources put towards drug investigation is very small compared too other relative sized/equipped countries.

 

[AutoTripper]

From mid 90’s to mid 00’s, as fantastic as we had in UK, Ibiza aside- Holland was unanimously recognised as the place for the best, highest dosed MDMA pills on the planet, consistently.

Like, near 200 mg common before a creature’s imagination even encountered Meh and nobody with a half normal brain disputed the quality of the best ecstasy pills.

They had a decriminalisation theme in nightclubs with pill testing easily accessible at purchase point.

So basically, Holland was very advanced with the MDMA scene, culture and surely manufacture since decades ago.

I hope that’s a valid point in some light.

 

[ThreePointCircle]

Sorry, haven't got a link but I came across a European report on the MDMA scene (dated within the last couple of years). If I remember it right it basically said large crime organisations operated at multiple sites across Holland and it went out from there. However, they also cited Energy Control data as justification for saying the MDMA was very pure - and at that point I took the whole thing with a pinch of salt.

I tried to argue before that looking at the dark markets, at least from a UK or European perspective, gives the impression that there are only a limited number of producers (albeit possible using many sites) distributing out. Hell, most of the UK vendors proudly describe their product as 'Dutch Fire', 'Dutch import' and other nonsense. My point at the time was that if there were few producers, or few organisations with replicated methods across their production sites, then only one or a handful need to change their methods for everything to become meh.

I'm also surprised at actually how few vendors there are on the markets. You'd think it would be a lot more. And all the stuff sort of looks the same.

 

[Negi]

I don't have the data in front of me, but papers from university researchers using scraped data show that most markets are pretty centralized in terms of vendors. 70% of vendors had made less than $1000 in sales, and a few top vendors with thousands of sales tend to dominate each market. It makes sense, from a consumer point of view - a major vendor with hundreds or thousands of positive reviews looks like a safe bet, and that vendor likely is moving enough volume to get better pricing from their suppliers so they can give the best prices to consumers.

 

[unodelacosa]

that's really interesting. I wonder why that is.

I've heard: for the best cannabis, go to California. For the best cocaine, go to Columbia. For the best MDMA, go to The Netherlands. I think the availability of chemical precursors coupled with relatively lax penalties for manufacturing create the right circumstances for mass producing a popular drug like MDMA.

In the decade after the 9-11 attacks, U.S. law enforcement agencies were being granted large budgets by their respective governmental bodies. Drugs are an easy target and as domestic production was halted, the floodgates were opened to transnational criminal organizations who began exporting drugs to the U.S. to fill the many voids created by overzealous law enforcement. This in turn allowed for larger budgets to combat this new foreign threat in the age of terrorism terror.

Find it interesting because the Netherlands I am sure have a well funded police force, and a well developed legal system compared to developing countries that often are involved in drug production.

This depends largely on the drug in question, but fair points nonetheless. Regarding the Dutch National Police's effectiveness, look at what occurred with the darknet market, Hansa. Dutch law enforcement surreptitiously ran the site as a “honey-pot” to collect data from careless users who trusted the site's PGP and/or EXIF-data-wiping tools or forgot to encrypt sensitive data.

Perhaps the Dutch chemist are just regarded as really good for working with this class of drug? I think I have read about Dutch chemist going to China to set up shops and train people to produce things for them- so maybe they do have a good rep for making good product.

I don't think there's any unique advantage Dutch chemists have over chemists in any other developed nation. Dutch-led labs in China is not proof of any special expertise, per se. Seems like just more proof of the giant labor force (“labour force”, if you prefer) for enterprising executives to harness.

Tons of drugs in the US but my understanding is that the vast majority of it comes from other places, mostly South America.

Well much of the cannabis production has returned to domestic sources, and if you count pharmaceuticals, then no, I doubt very seriously it's the vast majority. However, excluding this and looking only at illicit contraband, there's no denying that most of the cocaine, methamphetamine, and fentanyl are smuggled into the U.S. by agents of the various so-called cartels in Mexico, a market made available to them by the very laws that prohibit the same drugs. Cannabis products and psychedelics are still largely made in the U.S. by privileged and highly skilled clandestine chemists, but I'm sure plenty of LSD is shipped around the globe regularly. MDMA is a bit of a crapshoot in terms of source in the U.S. I'm sure much of it comes by way of The Netherlands, but I know of a couple sources for domestic-made product as well (and I once was a source, myself, ~2 decades ago). Ketamine I hear largely comes from India and explains why it's cheaper in the U.K. Heroin arrives mostly from Afghanistan.

My sense is that the DEA has been pretty effective the last 20 years at drying up access to needed reagents like pseudoephedrine for cooking meth

Yes they did an effective job of relocating all of those black market dollars to foreign criminal enterprises while attempting to validate their existence as a law enforcement agency and trying to bolt down their own job security. That's true. There also once was a time when any normal, God-fearing, gun-toting, freedom-loving, stars-and-stripes-jumpsuit-clad, red-blooded American could just rev up their oversized, stuntman motorcycle – the one with the painting of Ronald “Elvis” McDonald Christ robed in an American flag on the gas tank – point it at the nearest Wally World, and purchase (or shoplift) everything needed to produce very pure, d-isomer methamphetamine hydrochloride. [Le sigh]… those were the good days.

It upped the game a bit though such that clandestine chemists actually needed talent again to produce meth. Birch reductions were all too common, and sometimes the quality of these reactions and the clean-up procedures (or lack thereof) that followed would be horrendously apparent. It's good not to see this kinda toxic product on the market anymore.

and have really undercut domestics production of many popular street drugs?

Idk about “many popular street drugs” but they managed to cut back domestic production of methamphetamine fairly dramatically, and by clamping down on sources of sassafras oil, PMK, safrole, isosafrole and also on reagents specific to commonly encountered synthetic techniques – e.g.: p-benzoquinone, Palladium II Chloride, mercuric chloride, methylamine – domestic production of MDMA (and MDA and MDE for that matter) has been significantly slowed down. Once again, this has just created opportunities for imported product. Also new techniques are being discovered but they are not being as widely disseminated as they were in the past because they sort of exist as zero-day exploits, in a manner…

Figure the Dutch government could do the same if they wanted to crack down on domestic producers?

It's more like they'd be cracking down on domestic exporters. And while it does seem like there is foreign pressure to step up police efforts with respect to MDMA import/export, I don't really see too much incentive for the Dutch to do this and I suspect there exists less of a tendency for each independent law enforcement agency to be so self-absorbed and concerned with expanding their own budget as there exists within U.S. law enforcement agencies, the DEA especially and in particular.

 

[andyturbo]

The CIA is a foreign human intelligence collection agency btw, not a law enforcement agency.

 

[unodelacosa]

I don't have the data in front of me, but papers from university researchers using scraped data show that most markets are pretty centralized in terms of vendors. 70% of vendors had made less than $1000 in sales, and a few top vendors with thousands of sales tend to dominate each market.

Ok, so 30% of the total vendors is still a LOT of vendors. Also consider that some vendors sacrifice their reputation and switch identities from time to time to avoid being targeted by things like package profiling and other techniques that are used to deanonymize DNM vendors. Many times it pays better to play the slightly longer game, avoiding detection by staying out of the limelight, operating on multiple markets as multiple vendors, and having a very disciplined system for dealing with multiple orders.

It makes sense, from a consumer point of view - a major vendor with hundreds or thousands of positive reviews looks like a safe bet,

Well there comes a point where I think the consumer should avoid vendors who've been using the same profile for a long time.

and that vendor likely is moving enough volume to get better pricing from their suppliers so they can give the best prices to consumers.

I don't necessarily think providing “the best prices to consumers” is their top priority, and there is value added to a thing by prescribing that value via pricing.

The CIA is a foreign human intelligence collection agency btw, not a law enforcement agency.

I'm not sure who you're addressing with this statement, but 1. while technically correct – the CIA has no law enforcement function – the collection and exploitation of intelligence is often used for the purposes of law enforcement, the military, and/or the executive branch and cabinet; and 2. no one mentioned CIA; I was focusing on DEA on the federal level, but there is a vast list of Federal United States law enforcement agencies, each with their own agenda, budget, and inside supporters who have incentive to keep their particular agency funded so they and their colleagues can stay put in their comfy govt. pension- & benefits-having jobs.

 

[unodelacosa]

You seem to be completely ruling out the paranormal, psychic ability, ESP essentially.

Yeah no fucking shit. I'm an adult. Of course I disregard childish nonsense. I'm also ruling out vampires, werewolves, mummies, zombies, any character from Marvel or DC comics, or any work of fiction for that matter, because it's just that: fiction. ESP if fucking fiction, and you are retarded if you're an adult and you believe in ESP. You mentioned something about your "mum" making edibles, so I figure there's a fairly good chance you're still a child, which would explain the idiotic clinging to a belief in the paranormal. But see, to the rest of us, this is just silly and infantile.

I was so high in that moment, I did suffer some assault on my brain from the MDMA in the August heatwave,

Yeah I was already questioning the credibility of your story; this really makes it look shaky now. So we're all supposed to trust the memory of someone admitting to thinking they suffered brain damage on the same day?

like a sauna it was

Talk like Yoda you do.

I’m down now from my acid. LSD doesn’t lead to being illogical and deluded, per se.

I was just trying to let you off the hook for saying something so devoid of logic and reason.

I’m astonished that you so outright dismiss the phenomena of ESP.

I'm astonished you believe in it and aren't embarrassed to say so publicly.

I wouldn’t even debate such a thing with any ESP atheist.

You're just making up random bullshit as you go now.

The mind and imagination is a very powerful tool.

Yours would have to be to believe the nonsense you believe.

Yeah sorry man I got embroiled in trivial philosophy.

There's no trivial philosophy going on here, bro. You're trying to defend your adamant belief in the paranormal like a Luddite fool.

I’ve a good skill subjectively rating drug quality and experience, especially the magic of ecstasy which I know so so well, never lost, and if missing would only be the drug itself.

Wow this is an ignorant statement, 100% opinion presented as fact, an opinion of high self-regard coupled with a lack of humility, lack of scientific knowledge, lack of self awareness, ignorance to your own cognitive biases or even why a cognitive bias is a bad thing for a researcher to have.

Are you aware of The Dunning–Kruger effect? See also: Cargo Cult Science, Not Even Wrong, Wronger Than Wrong, and the Overconfidence Effect

But you're goddamn right I do not believe in fake, monkey garbage like ESP, alchemy, phrenology, healing snake oils, and other cons that only the naive, gullible, and stupid think are real. It's FUCKING PSEUDOSCIENCE. I'm not the only person who thinks this, just apparently the only person who's cared enough to point out to you that believing in ESP is laughably, childishly dumb. For example, this is from Popular Psychology: an encyclopedia by Luis A. Cordón 2005), page 182 (ISBN 978-0-313-32457-4):

"The essential problem is that a large portion of the scientific community, including most research psychologists, regards parapsychology as a pseudoscience, due largely to its failure to move beyond null results in the way science usually does. Ordinarily, when experimental evidence fails repeatedly to support a hypothesis, that hypothesis is abandoned. Within parapsychology, however, more than a century of experimentation has failed even to conclusively demonstrate the mere existence of paranormal phenomenon, yet parapsychologists continue to pursue that elusive goal."​

Here are some more reading recommendations until you come to grips with the fact that you basically believe the X-Men are real and that some humans can control goats with their minds alone just by staring at them.

1. Statistical Problems in ESP Research by Persi Diaconis, 1978. Science New Series, Vol. 201, No. 4351. pp. 131–136.
2. Why Parapsychology Cannot Become a Science by Mario Bunge, 1987. Behavioral and Brain Sciences 10: 576–577.
3. Pseudoscience and the Paranormal by Terence Hines, 2003 (ISBN 1-57392-979-4)
4. “ESP (extrasensory perception)”. Skeptic's Dictionary! by Robert Todd Carroll

Here's copy pasta from Wikipedia you should read and reflect on for a while:

​

“Parapsychology is the study of paranormal psychic phenomena, including ESP. Parapsychology has been criticised for continuing investigation despite being unable to provide convincing evidence for the existence of any psychic phenomena after more than a century of research.[20] The scientific community rejects ESP due to the absence of an evidence base, the lack of a theory which would explain ESP and the lack of positive experimental results; it considers ESP to be pseudoscience.[21][22][23][24][25]​

The scientific consensus does not view extrasensory perception as a scientific phenomenon.[26][27][28][29][30][31][32] Skeptics have pointed out that there is no viable theory to explain the mechanism behind ESP, and that there are historical cases in which flaws have been discovered in the experimental design of parapsychological studies.[33]​

There are many criticisms pertaining to experiments involving extrasensory perception, particularly surrounding methodological flaws. These flaws are not unique to a single experimental design, and are effective in discrediting much of the positive research surrounding ESP. Many of the flaws seen in the Zener cards experiment are present in the Ganzfeld experiment as well. First is the stacking effect, an error that occurs in ESP research. Trial-by-trial feedback given in studies using a ‘closed’ ESP target sequence (e.g., a deck of cards) violates the condition of independence used for most standard statistical tests. Multiple responses for a single target cannot be evaluated using statistical tests that assume independence of responses. This increases likelihood of card counting and in turn, increases the chances for the subject to guess correctly without using ESP. Another methodological flaw involves cues through sensory leakage. For example, when the subject receives a visual cue. This could be the reflection of a Zener card in the holder's glasses. In this case, the subject is able to guess the card correctly because they can see it in the reflection, not because of ESP. Finally, poor randomization of target stimuli could be happening. Poor shuffling methods can make the orders of the cards easier to predict, or the cards could’ve been marked and manipulated, again, making it easier to predict which cards come next.[34] The results of a meta-analysis found that when these errors were corrected and accounted for, there was still no significant effect of ESP. Many of the studies only appeared to have significant occurrence of ESP, when in fact, this result was due to the many methodological errors in the research.”​

The takeaway is: ESP is not real, and arguing that it is will not induce others to respect your opinions. Do yourself a favor and rethink this belief.

 

[AutoTripper]

Yeah no fucking shit. I'm an adult. Of course I disregard childish nonsense. I'm also ruling out vampires, werewolves, mummies, zombies, any character from Marvel or DC comics, or any work of fiction for that matter, because it's just that: fiction. ESP if fucking fiction, and you are retarded if you're an adult and you believe in ESP. You mentioned something about your "mum" making edibles, so I figure there's a fairly good chance you're still a child, which would explain the idiotic clinging to a belief in the paranormal. But see, to the rest of us, this is just silly and infantile.

I’m 41 actually. I’m entirely debilitated by severe physical illness due to Lyme Disease as I told you before. I live with my mum only because I’m not capable of managing a household myself.

I’m no child. My mum does make our cannabis edibles. I used to when I was more capable.

You are very very very very nasty, I had already seen clearly, but this repost has utterly shocked me.

You are an unwitting troll. You seem to be possessed by evil.

ESP is totally real. You just are not gifted enough to access it, or intelligent enough to comprehend.

I don’t need to waste my breath debating that. Especially with somebody as clearly nasty as yourself.

And so presumptuous too. A child? I already told you some details, dates, chronology, if you had some real IQ you could have deduced no way can I be a child if I took ecstasy between 1996, age 16, to 2005.

And you come to attack attack attack?

I’m shocked. I only read that part above I quoted. I won’t read any reply from you. Today may be my last day, I truly feel like death. I want no sympathy or excusal, this is just plain honesty.

I’m lying on my bed at 9.40am, I see a chiropractor in 2 hours, will be flat out in pure panic and pain trying to clear as much allergy mucus from my lungs as possible, wash and get there. Honestly I just want to get comfortable to die. I need to pull some rabbits out of hats because trying to eat, sleep and survive is simply torture atm.

I either give up now at long last, or I find a miracle Avenue to continue living.

Again, just pure honesty in this moment. I guess that’s all I can be asked to say.

 

[AutoTripper]

Talk like Yoda you do.

Okay my eye caught that one.

I talk.....Correctly. If Yoda speaks something correctly, I may do exactly the same.

I’m quite astonished truly that a) you dispute and question, highlight that simple correctly worded, conjugated brief phrase, and b) attack (again) me directly over it.

So....like a sauna it was......is exactly....it was like a sauna.

It’s entirely valid either way. I’m flexible with language.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Okay my eye caught that one.

I talk.....Correctly. If Yoda speaks something correctly, I may do exactly the same.

I’m quite astonished truly that a) you dispute and question, highlight that simple correctly worded, conjugated brief phrase, and b) attack (again) me directly over it.

So....like a sauna it was......is exactly....it was like a sauna.

It’s entirely valid either way. I’m flexible with language.

It’s ok man. We know what you mean and fully appreciate your fluid communication style.