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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

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I never tried DOB. It got a bad rap because it was sold as "acid" during the last drought and in rather too high doses causing vasoconstriction and such. I am not really surprised that dosed responsibly it is pretty nice. I would imagine that it's a little harder to come by though due to decreased demand due to the nasty stories going on from 15 years ago.

DOC is lovely. Very visual and has a cognitive clarity and transparency that many other psychedelics don't.
 
I never tried DOB. It got a bad rap because it was sold as "acid" during the last drought and in rather too high doses causing vasoconstriction and such. I am not really surprised that dosed responsibly it is pretty nice. I would imagine that it's a little harder to come by though due to decreased demand due to the nasty stories going on from 15 years ago.

DOC is lovely. Very visual and has a cognitive clarity and transparency that many other psychedelics don't.
Yeah indeed, it apparently was very "popular" in the 80s around Melbourne, leading to absolute disasters.
It pops up now and then, along with DOM, both rare but still held in high regard by some. Shulgin liked both too, but I seem too resistant to DOM to get good effects from it.
 
Yeah indeed, it apparently was very "popular" in the 80s around Melbourne, leading to absolute disasters.
It pops up now and then, along with DOM, both rare but still held in high regard by some. Shulgin liked both too, but I seem too resistant to DOM to get good effects from it.
DOM was alright to me but it is much heavier than DOC and has a certain dark quality and is the most outright "hallucinogenic" of any phenethylamine I've sampled. Not really casual stuff, that, at least in my opinion. Take enough of it and you will not just get psychedelic "visuals" but actual "hallucinations" of things. Not like a deleriant that you will mistake them for real but still fully formed shit. Weird drug.
 
Reading this stuff makes me really want to try a DOx.

I've been sitting on a bunch of doc tabs for a few months now but haven't found the appropriate time to take them yet. Maybe I'll take 4-6mg on may long weekend, I'm having my coworkers and their s/o's out for a wacky campfire.

I'm just unsure of the dosage, I don't like being underwhelmed but I don't necessarily want to be completely off my rocker either.

3mg is more than enough.
 
Do you all wish that the dea who raid lsd manufacturers would kill themselves? I will quote this post at least bidaily if any of your poor asshats ignore me
 
Do you all wish that the dea who raid lsd manufacturers would kill themselves? I will quote this post at least bidaily if any of your poor asshats ignore me
A raid on a domestic LSD manufacturer is a rare enough event that it really doesn't really matter. I've heard of literally one of (and this is speaking generously) any consequence since WLP and that was, like, a long time ago by now. As far as law enforcement goes, I don't hate them, never have. They have their game, and "we" (although I no longer qualify) have ours.
 
A raid on a domestic LSD manufacturer is a rare enough event that it really doesn't really matter. I've heard of literally one of (and this is speaking generously) any consequence since WLP and that was, like, a long time ago by now. As far as law enforcement goes, I don't hate them, never have. They have their game, and "we" (although I no longer qualify) have ours.
Id say that is a good thing. But is that due to the opsec of those involved or their priorities?
 
Id say that is a good thing. But is that due to the opsec of those involved or their priorities?
Both, in addition to the fact that even well before the Darknet even existed, a lot of the work had moved overseas to places like Czechia, the Netherlands, etc. As @TripSitterNZ said there was a bust in Spain which also involved some Austrian nationals. I'm not sure if they were actually doing the synthesis there or if it was a distribution hub. As for why stuff moved overseas, part of it has to do with sourcing precursors, but if you're going to that much trouble, it's not like getting your hands on ET is going to be the breaking point. Things are just quieter over there I think, and the thing is that it doesn't take many manufacturers to saturate the market, since if you're making one gram you might as well make many, many grams, which means if someone is making moves you're going to feel it across oceans. In fact if the market was less fractured and risky there is really no reason why you'd need more than one manufacturer to easily supply the world's needs. Part of the complication of setting up shop in this space of course would be finding people who can move grams and multiple grams at a time. As with many problems it is social and organizational more than it is technical. Unlike, say, MDMA, the synthesis of LSD isn't something that can be half-assed. But there's not really a shortage of grad school chemistry students who like that kind of stuff (and like money, too...although Owsley had no formal training in chemistry. Some chick who's name is escaping me taught him.) So above all as I said it's about putting the pieces together. That, more than anything else, is what it takes to be successful in that game (or really the drug game in general.)
 
Both, in addition to the fact that even well before the Darknet even existed, a lot of the work had moved overseas to places like Czechia, the Netherlands, etc. As @TripSitterNZ said there was a bust in Spain which also involved some Austrian nationals. I'm not sure if they were actually doing the synthesis there or if it was a distribution hub. As for why stuff moved overseas, part of it has to do with sourcing precursors, but if you're going to that much trouble, it's not like getting your hands on ET is going to be the breaking point. Things are just quieter over there I think, and the thing is that it doesn't take many manufacturers to saturate the market, since if you're making one gram you might as well make many, many grams, which means if someone is making moves you're going to feel it across oceans. In fact if the market was less fractured and risky there is really no reason why you'd need more than one manufacturer to easily supply the world's needs. Part of the complication of setting up shop in this space of course would be finding people who can move grams and multiple grams at a time. As with many problems it is social and organizational more than it is technical. Unlike, say, MDMA, the synthesis of LSD isn't something that can be half-assed. But there's not really a shortage of grad school chemistry students who like that kind of stuff (and like money, too...although Owsley had no formal training in chemistry. Some chick who's name is escaping me taught him.) So above all as I said it's about putting the pieces together. That, more than anything else, is what it takes to be successful in that game (or really the drug game in general.)
I don't know, that could easily be due to lsd being a fringe market and there not being many willing college grads who would risk their whole life for something they barely understand (I Mean 1 or 3 per year produced worldwide) for such low profit margins compared to other drugs. I hear the synthesis is not as difficult as people say tho I do hear precursors are a problem but I bet you could grow or obtain them in the Congo no prohlemo
 
Both, in addition to the fact that even well before the Darknet even existed, a lot of the work had moved overseas to places like Czechia, the Netherlands, etc. As @TripSitterNZ said there was a bust in Spain which also involved some Austrian nationals. I'm not sure if they were actually doing the synthesis there or if it was a distribution hub. As for why stuff moved overseas, part of it has to do with sourcing precursors, but if you're going to that much trouble, it's not like getting your hands on ET is going to be the breaking point. Things are just quieter over there I think, and the thing is that it doesn't take many manufacturers to saturate the market, since if you're making one gram you might as well make many, many grams, which means if someone is making moves you're going to feel it across oceans. In fact if the market was less fractured and risky there is really no reason why you'd need more than one manufacturer to easily supply the world's needs. Part of the complication of setting up shop in this space of course would be finding people who can move grams and multiple grams at a time. As with many problems it is social and organizational more than it is technical. Unlike, say, MDMA, the synthesis of LSD isn't something that can be half-assed. But there's not really a shortage of grad school chemistry students who like that kind of stuff (and like money, too...although Owsley had no formal training in chemistry. Some chick who's name is escaping me taught him.) So above all as I said it's about putting the pieces together. That, more than anything else, is what it takes to be successful in that game (or really the drug game in general.)
melissa cargil she is the true chemist of the 1960s. God bless her soul. Netherlands has very lax sentences for drug crimes and czech republic is very open to psychedelic thepary so its more accepted over there infact it was one of the last countries to outlaw personal use of LSD.

The DEA never managed to bust the chemists who still make LSD on the west coast in america today. With the invention of the darknet its makes it very easy for chemists to become raw suppliers with way less risk to groups who can then lay massive amounts of blotter.

Once you get into like PHD course chemistry you have like free reign to do whatever in the lab no one is really checking up on you.

Germany and czech republic still have supplies of ergot. Same with america.

Sadly we cant even get ergot migraine pills over here now.

When i first went through chemistry at a backwater university for people who didn't have the requirments for a better university. Alot of drug use indeed was around plus even the professors loved drugs.
 
I guarantee with a plane ticket I could get diethalamide on the cheap in the Congo
 
I don't know, that could easily be due to lsd being a fringe market and there not being many willing college grads who would risk their whole life for something they barely understand (I Mean 1 or 3 per year produced worldwide) for such low profit margins compared to other drugs. I hear the synthesis is not as difficult as people say tho I do hear precursors are a problem but I bet you could grow or obtain them in the Congo no prohlemo
No the synthesis is not as hard as people like to make it out to be provided you have good material to start with, the necessary equipment, and some non-bullshit aptitude with actual chemistry (I never had any of these three desiderata if you were wondering). Yes this means that some of it is being made at night at universities. The last I was in a position to hear the real down-low industry scuttlebutt, and this is more than a decade ago, there was actually a significant amount of drama between people who sourced their stuff from the traditional NorCal people and those who were working with Europe. I first-hand saw this very nearly escalate into violence but for the intervention of some cooler headed cats. As for what happens now people have told me that you can source crystal all day off the dark web but the prices I heard were also at least three times what they should be so there's that. I am sure the real players still have their more private online spaces to do their stuff, which was already something that was starting to be very significant toward the end of my time in that business. Open access markets on Tor were very disruptive to that world but I am certain that custie-free venues for discussion and business exist although I'm not privvy to any of that. Not for a long time. But some things never change. Not everything can be done in sight of the end user or the retailer.
 
No the synthesis is not as hard as people like to make it out to be provided you have good material to start with, the necessary equipment, and some non-bullshit aptitude with actual chemistry. Yes this means that some of it is being made at night at universities. The last I was in a position to hear the real down-low industry scuttlebutt, and this is more than a decade ago, there was actually a significant amount of drama between people who sourced their stuff from the traditional NorCal people and those who were working with Europe. I first-hand saw this very nearly escalate into violence but for the intervention of some cooler headed cats. As for what happens now people have told me that you can source crystal all day off the dark web but the prices I heard were also at least three times what they should be so there's that. I am sure the real players still have their more private online spaces to do their stuff, which was already something that was starting to be very significant toward the end of my time in that business. Open access markets on Tor were very disruptive to that world but I am certain that custie-free venues for discussion and business exist although I'm not privvy to any of that. Not for a long time. But some things never change. Not everything can be done in sight of the end user or the retailer.
But are you helping psychopaths sell themselves as empaths? Or a double psychopath yourself? :o
 
But are you helping psychopaths sell themselves as empaths? Or a double psychopath yourself? :eek:
When I was in that game I was 110% a psychopath masquerading as an empath. I won't lie about it. I got over the hippie shit really quickly and then just used it as a façade because it was good for business. I was about that money. Full stop. I never ripped anyone off or anything like that, don't get me wrong, but I was not, say, above resorting to the application of force to get goals accomplished. Not very hippie-like, that. But as Orwell put it, "people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Replace "sleeping peacefully in beds" with "tripping balls at festivals" and there you have it. But yeah. I was not a good or nice person in that phase of my life. So it goes, I guess. Don't be naïve about this aspect of the business: almost certainly more than one person in the pyramid from chemist to you is a stone gangster.
 
When I was in that game I was 110% a psychopath masquerading as an empath. I won't lie about it. I got over the hippie shit really quickly and then just used it as a façade because it was good for business. I was about that money. Full stop. I never ripped anyone off or anything like that, don't get me wrong, but I was not, say, above resorting to the application of force to get goals accomplished. Not very hippie-like, that. But as Orwell put it, "people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Replace "sleeping peacefully in beds" with "tripping balls at festivals" and there you have it. But yeah. I was not a good or nice person in that phase of my life. So it goes, I guess. Don't be naïve about this aspect of the business: almost certainly more than one person in the pyramid from chemist to you is a stone gangster.
I dunno man I think 95% of lsd or other psychedelic transactions involve 0% "gangstdr" of any form of "organized gang" especially onez that partake in violence. Id say in never but I've seen people giving away grans for free. From top to bottom? Maybe this is why the dea doesn't focus so much? Which is even a further proof of their capitalist murderous doctrine, as I bet most lsd chemists are a "higher" class than most mdth chemists and I doubt it's entirely precursor availability
 
I dunno man I think 95% of lsd or other psychedelic transactions involve 0% "gangstdr" of any form of "organized gang" especially onez that partake in violence. Id say in never but I've seen people giving away grans for free
Well, absolutely. I would also give stuff away for the vibes and the love (read: hand out hits at night, in the morning sell packs and make stacks.) Shit like that. And usually it was about the love shit. Things almost never got hairy with LSD alone (other drugs can complicate matters), although they did for me on two occasions that I can remember: one involved someone bunking another kid for a very substantial amount and the other was a territorial pissing match. That's not to mention having an armed home invasion done to me of course. I am not saying many LSD dealers roll around with guns and shit like that. But it is an illegal business after all. Sometimes you have to regulate shit and the whole tie die thing has to go out the window quick. You might be surprised how quickly people can flip it on you like that. Maybe not the cats selling hits and strips and sheets but at some point once you're talking about real money then that other part of it becomes a factor. Frequently? Hell no. But it is necessary that the potential be there.
 
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From top to bottom? Maybe this is why the dea doesn't focus so much?
Oh yeah. Definitely. Nobody is dropping bodies (surest way to attract LE) in the dose game. Has it happened, ever? Probably although I never even heard rumors of it. Did I hear about and even witness the occasional straight up street corner style ass whooping or someone forcefully pouring a vial down somebody's mouth? Certainly did. Robberies, home invasions? Yes. Did I ever I feel the need to keep a weapon around? Yes again.
Which is even a further proof of their capitalist murderous doctrine, as I bet most lsd chemists are a "higher" class than most mdth chemists and I doubt it's entirely precursor availability
Well, in comparison to the people who make MA on a smaller scale, people involved with the LSD supply side are going to be nicer folks probably 95% of the time. When you're talking industrial scale MA production like in Mexico, I don't know anything about that world first hand, but I think I would be safe in the assumption that the people who do the actual chemistry (as opposed to the distribution) are going to be professionals and comport themselves like gentlemen which is all I'd ever ask of anyone in the illicit drug business. But yes also many people who are involved with the LSD business are doing so for distinctly non-capitalistic, even mystical, reasons, and that goes straight through from chemist to the down-lowliest lot rat. I had a head full of that stuff when I started in that world,, too.
 
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