Opioids Tramadol Megathread

[DeathIndustrial88]

Thank you @DeathIndustrial88 for your support, my friend!! Today I've only taken 300 mg of tram, I'm not high but I do feel pretty good and with a lot of energy.

How long have you been without H? Is it true that opioids will always be a temptation or is it not? Why are you bored of bupe? The time I tried buprenorphine I didn't find it as euphoric but the opioid effects were there. I took it in a week where I wasn't able to get tramadol or codeine and it got rid of all withdrawal symptoms, although as a precaution I waited 24 hours from my last dose of tram.

The worst thing for me is that my tolerance to pregabalin appears to be chronic because I have tried 750-1000mg doses. and I feel nothing. I didn't even took it for much time, it was like two months (May-June 2019) with binges here and there. Do you think that if I go over 1000 mg. of pregabalin I can get some recreational effect or my tolerance is completely ruined?

300 is a good dose!!! If you are at a dose where you take it and it helps you and you're content to stick with it without it getting you high, then you're on the right track.
I was always too chicken shit to take my doses up to 1,000mg or anything like that. There was one time in my early 20's where I took about 20 50mg tramadol tablets all at once (I was stupid, knew nothing about drugs at the time). I didn't have a seizure or die thankfully. But I did spend the rest of the night night in the bathroom throwing up. I learned though quickly after that tramadol can give you seizure in high doses. So after that, I kept my doses around 400-600mg. I would notice at these doses that after a few days, I wouldn't get high or get any hardcore nods but I still felt content, motivated and stimulated and music sounded incredible.

I haven't done heroin in about a year or so. I use to know a guy who was much older than me and was a gangbanger and for some reason he took a liking to me and started coming over all the time and giving me free shit and helping me out. Introduced me to all of his different friends that did heroin. I knew him for almost 5 years. A lot of the friends he introduced me to started dying from fentanyl they were getting from other sources. And then finally in 2019 my guy shot and killed another guy and ended up in prison. He had called me just a few days before he did it too but I didn't answer. So I never really got to say goodbye to him and thank him for all the shit he did for me and my mom all those years. After he went to jail, I started going through the only friend of his that was left in the area. Until finally that guy got a job as a truck driver and moved out of town and I stopped hearing and seeing from him anymore. I think the last time I got to see him was early December of 2019 and then after that he started his new job and I got busy taking care of my mom with cancer and he never came back around. So I had to accept that my heroin hook ups were all gone. And I lived in a place where heroin was pretty hard to find. And I got really lucky meeting all these people who did it and knew where to get it and now they're just... gone. And then I moved 2 hours away after our landlord kicked me and my mom out back in November.

I had friends who sold/did heroin, friends who sold/did meth, friends who did both, friends with weed and of course I always had my own scripts for benzos and pain pills. It's like we all were a big group of people who just got to have good times, all the time, and I watched it all unravel over the last few years by seeing people die from fentanyl, people going to jail, people moving away, until finally all that was left was just me. I really didn't expect those good times to ever come to an end or at least not so soon. I thought I had it made for a long time. It makes me deeply sad.

These last 10 years of my life were pretty crazy. It was almost like a different timeline. It felt magical really. I was constantly meeting new people, attracting people to me, getting free drugs, always partying. Life was spontaneous and exciting. Now it's stagnant, routine and boring. But I was also in my 20's all those years and didn't have many responsibilities.

I DO think it's true that opioids will always be a temptation. At least that's been my experience so far. I'm not sure how old you are but I'll be 33 in April and I can say I still to this day crave heroin and strong opiates just as much as I always have. Last night I had a hard time sleeping because I kept thinking about how easy it use to be for me to get heroin and how there's so many different opiates out there that would feel great but I have no access to. It can be depressing really.

Bupe can be fun at times. Before I got on maintenance, I actually started doing bupe from the street. It was cheaper and lasted longer than heroin. So when I had to, I would buy suboxone strips instead of dope some times. Back then though, since I was only buying a few Suboxone strips at a time, I had to keep my doses very, very small in order to stretch it out long enough. But once I got on maintenance and started having easy access to bupe and my doses went up substantially, it eventually lost it's magic and now here I am a few years later, still on it. I still can get a buzz from it. it's just not enjoyable. It usually starts off with this stimulating feeling after you take some. Similar to tramadol (makes you wanna get up and clean and do shit you wouldn't normally want to do because it requires too much effort) but the stimulation from tramadol is much stronger I think. And then after about 2-3hrs, the buzz turns into a really groggy, dopey, irritating buzz. It's different than regular opiate dopey. At least when you're doped up on a full agonist, you feel blissful and euphoric. On buprenorphine, you're doped up but the bliss and euphoria isn't there, so the nodding, sedation and dopiness actually feels.. gross, is the best way I can describe it. lol And then it wears off by mid day and re-dosing doesn't really do anything thanks to buprenorphines partial agonism, ceiling effect and it's long half life that causes doses to stack up ontop of each other until you're just constantly full of bupe and don't even feel your blood levels changing. This makes cravings for real opiates come back too.

You can almost physically FEEL that bupenorphine is only a partial agonist after being on it awhile. lol Like it activates my receptors just enough to make me drowsy and sedated like an opioid, but doesn't activate them enough to cause any mind blowing euphoria & contentedness. I call bupe a diet opiate. lol

Although I must give buprenorphine SOME credit. It's a great mood stabilizing drug. Works better on my depression than any SSRI's ever did, without all the side effects of SSRI's. And it did work for cravings in the beginning. But now it doesn't do a whole lot, cravings are back, my libido is completely gone and I put on a lot of extra weight (bupe maintenance comes with insane sweet cravings and constipation lol). But at the same time, I'm still not ready to get off of it because I know that I'm already having insane cravings for opioids, at least by having a partial agonist at my disposal, I can dampen those cravings and the frustration that comes with it every once in awhile.

I have absolutely no experience with pregablin unfortunately, only gabapentin. What is a normal regular dose of pregablin?

 

[supersonic89]

300 is a good dose!!! If you are at a dose where you take it and it helps you and you're content to stick with it without it getting you high, then you're on the right track.
I was always too chicken shit to take my doses up to 1,000mg or anything like that. There was one time in my early 20's where I took about 20 50mg tramadol tablets all at once (I was stupid, knew nothing about drugs at the time). I didn't have a seizure or die thankfully. But I did spend the rest of the night night in the bathroom throwing up. I learned though quickly after that tramadol can give you seizure in high doses. So after that, I kept my doses around 400-600mg. I would notice at these doses that after a few days, I wouldn't get high or get any hardcore nods but I still felt content, motivated and stimulated and music sounded incredible.

I haven't done heroin in about a year or so. I use to know a guy who was much older than me and was a gangbanger and for some reason he took a liking to me and started coming over all the time and giving me free shit and helping me out. Introduced me to all of his different friends that did heroin. I knew him for almost 5 years. A lot of the friends he introduced me to started dying from fentanyl they were getting from other sources. And then finally in 2019 my guy shot and killed another guy and ended up in prison. He had called me just a few days before he did it too but I didn't answer. So I never really got to say goodbye to him and thank him for all the shit he did for me and my mom all those years. After he went to jail, I started going through the only friend of his that was left in the area. Until finally that guy got a job as a truck driver and moved out of town and I stopped hearing and seeing from him anymore. I think the last time I got to see him was early December of 2019 and then after that he started his new job and I got busy taking care of my mom with cancer and he never came back around. So I had to accept that my heroin hook ups were all gone. And I lived in a place where heroin was pretty hard to find. And I got really lucky meeting all these people who did it and knew where to get it and now they're just... gone. And then I moved 2 hours away after our landlord kicked me and my mom out back in November.

I had friends who sold/did heroin, friends who sold/did meth, friends who did both, friends with weed and of course I always had my own scripts for benzos and pain pills. It's like we all were a big group of people who just got to have good times, all the time, and I watched it all unravel over the last few years by seeing people die from fentanyl, people going to jail, people moving away, until finally all that was left was just me. I really didn't expect those good times to ever come to an end or at least not so soon. I thought I had it made for a long time. It makes me deeply sad.

These last 10 years of my life were pretty crazy. It was almost like a different timeline. It felt magical really. I was constantly meeting new people, attracting people to me, getting free drugs, always partying. Life was spontaneous and exciting. Now it's stagnant, routine and boring. But I was also in my 20's all those years and didn't have many responsibilities.

I DO think it's true that opioids will always be a temptation. At least that's been my experience so far. I'm not sure how old you are but I'll be 33 in April and I can say I still to this day crave heroin and strong opiates just as much as I always have. Last night I had a hard time sleeping because I kept thinking about how easy it use to be for me to get heroin and how there's so many different opiates out there that would feel great but I have no access to. It can be depressing really.

Bupe can be fun at times. Before I got on maintenance, I actually started doing bupe from the street. It was cheaper and lasted longer than heroin. So when I had to, I would buy suboxone strips instead of dope some times. Back then though, since I was only buying a few Suboxone strips at a time, I had to keep my doses very, very small in order to stretch it out long enough. But once I got on maintenance and started having easy access to bupe and my doses went up substantially, it eventually lost it's magic and now here I am a few years later, still on it. I still can get a buzz from it. it's just not enjoyable. It usually starts off with this stimulating feeling after you take some. Similar to tramadol (makes you wanna get up and clean and do shit you wouldn't normally want to do because it requires too much effort) but the stimulation from tramadol is much stronger I think. And then after about 2-3hrs, the buzz turns into a really groggy, dopey, irritating buzz. It's different than regular opiate dopey. At least when you're doped up on a full agonist, you feel blissful and euphoric. On buprenorphine, you're doped up but the bliss and euphoria isn't there, so the nodding, sedation and dopiness actually feels.. gross, is the best way I can describe it. lol And then it wears off by mid day and re-dosing doesn't really do anything thanks to buprenorphines partial agonism, ceiling effect and it's long half life that causes doses to stack up ontop of each other until you're just constantly full of bupe and don't even feel your blood levels changing. This makes cravings for real opiates come back too.

You can almost physically FEEL that bupenorphine is only a partial agonist after being on it awhile. lol Like it activates my receptors just enough to make me drowsy and sedated like an opioid, but doesn't activate them enough to cause any mind blowing euphoria & contentedness. I call bupe a diet opiate. lol

Although I must give buprenorphine SOME credit. It's a great mood stabilizing drug. Works better on my depression than any SSRI's ever did, without all the side effects of SSRI's. And it did work for cravings in the beginning. But now it doesn't do a whole lot, cravings are back, my libido is completely gone and I put on a lot of extra weight (bupe maintenance comes with insane sweet cravings and constipation lol). But at the same time, I'm still not ready to get off of it because I know that I'm already having insane cravings for opioids, at least by having a partial agonist at my disposal, I can dampen those cravings and the frustration that comes with it every once in awhile.

I have absolutely no experience with pregablin unfortunately, only gabapentin. What is a normal regular dose of pregablin?

Wow man. Thanks for sharing your story, it sounds really exciting and kid of sad. I'm sure things are going to get better. I believe that each positive or negative experience helps us to grow as people. You should see it like this. Don't feel bad about what you're going through, I'm sure you will get something positive out of all this. I don't know how things will be in your country, but here its very difficult to go out and meet people. Got damn! We even have a curfew from 10pm. until 6 am of the next day hahaha.

Something tells me that you are full of anectoids aha. I'm 31 and I've never been very sociable, so my transition from 20s to 30s never felt too scary or different, as it happens to many people, maybe some of that happened to you. You know, the parties, new people, new experiences, etc. Since I can remember, I have always been a lover of routines, so maybe I was born old hahaha.

You really were very lucky not to have a seizure on 1000mg. of tramadol in a single dose, I think the most Ive taken of tramadol in a single dose is 600mg. or something like that. Although the times I have vomited with tramadol or other opioids it feels different than when you vomit while sober or drunk, I would even say that it feels spectacular, weird right? LOL.

You are right in that buprenorphine is very similar to tramadol, the beginning of its effects are almost the same (stimulation and energy), although with tramadol I do feel euphoric effects, regardless of whether it's already metabolized or not.I think that David Lynch quote about coffee is very apt to sum up buprenorphine: "even bad coffee is better than no coffee at all". hahaha. Is there no method to make the bupe be mostly metabolized into a full agonist? How would you compare buprenorphine to tramadol in terms of its effects on depression?

P.S. I believe that the maximum dose of pregabalin for 24 hours is 600 mg, although there are cases in which 750 mg can be prescribed. So maybe if I push a little more I can feel something lol. But doing it while taking tramadol is too scary for me.

 

[Nipper76]

Got 100mg tramadol hydrochloride by Alben, Green capsules. Took 200mg first dose over an hour and nothing, not even a slight background feeling. Does that mean my liver isn't producing the right enzymes. Really disappointed. Thought I might feel something.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

Got 100mg tramadol hydrochloride by Alben, Green capsules. Took 200mg first dose over an hour and nothing, not even a slight background feeling. Does that mean my liver isn't producing the right enzymes. Really disappointed. Thought I might feel something.

Maybe you need to take another 100mg, I know sometimes it hits me harder than other times.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

@DeathIndustrial88 and @supersonic89

it’s been a little while since I been here, hope all is well with you guys.

 

[supersonic89]

Got 100mg tramadol hydrochloride by Alben, Green capsules. Took 200mg first dose over an hour and nothing, not even a slight background feeling. Does that mean my liver isn't producing the right enzymes. Really disappointed. Thought I might feel something.

Yeah, something like that I suspect, if it is your first time with opioids and the capsules are legit I imagine that you are possibly a poor metabolizer. My first time I think I needed 100 mg (empty stomach) to feel its wonderful effects.

Although maybe I would try again with 250-300 mg but this time redosing in doses of 50-100 mg every 30-60 minutes.

@DeathIndustrial88 and @supersonic89

it’s been a little while since I been here, hope all is well with you guys.

Hey man!!! How are you? I also hope you are well my friend.

 

[Nipper76]

I'll try again next week and have an empty stomach

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

Yeah, something like that I suspect, if it is your first time with opioids and the capsules are legit I imagine that you are possibly a poor metabolizer. My first time I think I needed 100 mg (empty stomach) to feel its wonderful effects.

Although maybe I would try again with 250-300 mg but this time redosing in doses of 50-100 mg every 30-60 minutes.



Hey man!!! How are you? I also hope you are well my friend.

I’m doing good supersonic89, except for some of the people on here trying to make me someone I’m not, glad to hear you’re well brother.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Wow man. Thanks for sharing your story, it sounds really exciting and kid of sad. I'm sure things are going to get better. I believe that each positive or negative experience helps us to grow as people. You should see it like this. Don't feel bad about what you're going through, I'm sure you will get something positive out of all this. I don't know how things will be in your country, but here its very difficult to go out and meet people. Got damn! We even have a curfew from 10pm. until 6 am of the next day hahaha.

Something tells me that you are full of anectoids aha. I'm 31 and I've never been very sociable, so my transition from 20s to 30s never felt too scary or different, as it happens to many people, maybe some of that happened to you. You know, the parties, new people, new experiences, etc. Since I can remember, I have always been a lover of routines, so maybe I was born old hahaha.

You really were very lucky not to have a seizure on 1000mg. of tramadol in a single dose, I think the most Ive taken of tramadol in a single dose is 600mg. or something like that. Although the times I have vomited with tramadol or other opioids it feels different than when you vomit while sober or drunk, I would even say that it feels spectacular, weird right? LOL.

You are right in that buprenorphine is very similar to tramadol, the beginning of its effects are almost the same (stimulation and energy), although with tramadol I do feel euphoric effects, regardless of whether it's already metabolized or not.I think that David Lynch quote about coffee is very apt to sum up buprenorphine: "even bad coffee is better than no coffee at all". hahaha. Is there no method to make the bupe be mostly metabolized into a full agonist? How would you compare buprenorphine to tramadol in terms of its effects on depression?

P.S. I believe that the maximum dose of pregabalin for 24 hours is 600 mg, although there are cases in which 750 mg can be prescribed. So maybe if I push a little more I can feel something lol. But doing it while taking tramadol is too scary for me.

Absolutely! I think I am just getting older. It's a little easier to meet people and fuck around when you're still in your 20's. lol
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my routine too! lol Especially now. I have to be on a routine to keep my mental health in check.
When I was younger, I think I was more impulsive and more curious about the world and people. I've had several people in my life time tell me I'm charming & charismatic. I always had friends coming over, wanting to do drugs all the time. There were a lot of times I had to tell people to get out or lie and say I was busy so they wouldn't come over and I could have some time to myself. Lol I've had a lot of wild experiences up to this point.

I'm in the USA and while some states here are on strict lockdowns and people have had a harder time going about their usual lives, this is mostly in Democrat-run states. I'm in a Republican run state and other than having to wear masks in the store & some places being only telephone-visit only now, life has pretty much gone on the same as always and people are out & about and at restaurants, etc..

I'm hoping your right and something positive comes out of this new experience. I really, really miss my old life though. I've been living with an ex of mine trying to get use to living a life away from my mom and friends and it's been very hard. Yesterday we got into a huge argument and I ended up breaking the back door.

Lol I actually think tramadol nausea/vomiting feels different from regular opioid nausea some times as well. Tramadol nausea feels like a combo of Effexor nausea and opioids nausea. But it does feel good when you puke and all is better. haha

I have read many anecdotes about bupe metabolizing into norbuprenorphine (a full agonist) in low doses but I've never seen any concrete proof that bupe's metabolite actually affects the brain or that the buzz is anything to write home about. I've seen some people say that getting high off norbuprenorphine would be impossible too because it affects the lungs more so than other opiates and you would die of respiratory depression before getting high off of it. But then I've seen some medical articles saying that norbuprenorphine DOES contribute to the bupe experience. So I have no idea what's going on with bupes metabolite.
I've also seen some people talking about chemistry and how this guy was synthesizing an Etorphine-level opioid from buprenorphine and he was saying it was incredibly potent and nice. It's too bad I don't have enough chemistry knowledge to figure this out. I could be set for life with a full agonist!!!

To be honest, I'd say Tramadol & Buprenorphine are about equal in their ability to interrupt severe depression. They each have their pros and cons. Both are long acting, so you don't go into withdrawal right away. Both lose their recreational ability after awhile. With Tramadol though, I noticed that even when I would have the nods, I could still easily fight through them and i'd still have unlimited energy to get shit done. Where as with bupe, the nods are a lot more sedating and irritating (because they're not very euphoric like it is on trams or other opioids) and I pretty much have to 'rest my eyes' (i've become a master at this lol) or take a nap. lol I'd say they're both excellent for depression, but Tramadol is a little less heavy and sedating. I also use to lose weight on trams because I wouldn't have much of an appetite on them, but with bupe I get sweet cravings like mad and have put on a lot of extra weight. I think the NRI-aspect of Tramadol can keep your appetite down or something, not sure. I also didn't eat much on heroin cause I was just always satisfied with doing another bump of heroin. lol Maybe bupe makes me eat more because it's only a shitty partial agonist.

As for the pregablin, I'd definitely wait to try a dose that high while not on trams. Although if it were me, I'd just try to get my tolerance to the pregablin down again to the point where 600 or less would be enough for you to feel it. Going up to the higher doses poses the risk of becoming incredibly dependent on it and then not only will you be dealing with tram withdrawals but now you'll have a pregablin monkey on your back. And I bet withdrawal from both at the same time could lead to seizures or serious outcomes. Be careful man!

I'm sad for my old life that I miss. Been very nostalgic about things, so thanks for listening to me ramble about it. I'll get through this and one day be having great times again, I hope!

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

@DeathIndustrial88 and @supersonic89

it’s been a little while since I been here, hope all is well with you guys.

Cheers man!
I've had better days. How about yourself!?

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

Cheers man!
I've had better days. How about yourself!?

I’m doing ok thank you for asking DeathIndustrial88, I wish all the people on here were cool like you guys, people on here trying to make me out to being a narcissist or racist because I call things for what they are instead of sugar coating them.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I’m doing ok thank you for asking DeathIndustrial88, I wish all the people on here were cool like you guys, people on here trying to make me out to being a narcissist or racist because I call things for what they are instead of sugar coating them.

Seriously!? Hell, I generally stay over here and just talk about drugs, so I'm surprised those topics are even being brought up. lol
I'm not sure what country you're from, but we are definitely living in clown world at the moment, especially here in the US.
I've been called a nazi, white supremacist, fascist, etc..in many places online for having a different view point & for calling things out the way they are or bringing up facts. I've started wearing those words as badge of honor almost now. haha People are idiots.

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

Seriously!? Hell, I generally stay over here and just talk about drugs, so I'm surprised those topics are even being brought up. lol
I'm not sure what country you're from, but we are definitely living in clown world at the moment, especially here in the US.
I've been called a nazi, white supremacist, fascist, etc..in many places online for having a different view point & for calling things out the way they are or bringing up facts. I've started wearing those words as badge of honor almost now. haha People are idiots.

I’m American, I have totenkopf rings not real ones of course.

yeah I call it as it is and don’t sugar coat shit , I call it like it is. Fuck the political correct bullshit and terms.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

quick Q, can you use codiene with tramadol. to potentiate the effects?

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I’m American, I have totenkopf rings not real ones of course.

yeah I call it as it is and don’t sugar coat shit , I call it like it is. Fuck the political correct bullshit and terms.

I agree. I went and checked out what you were referring to.

MSM has done a great job at throwing propaganda at our citizens for the past many years.
Along with Big Tech & their insane censorship.

Hell, I'm gay & a drug addict and totally understand where you're coming from. I own all kinds of flags, hats, music & books related to NS.
People would assume because i'm gay and want drug reform that I must be a "lefty" or a "democrat", but it's just not true. lol
And then there's people who think because I like NS stuff that I must be some super racist, fascist klan member. lol

It's funny cause everyone I use to do heroin with was black. lol Except for like 2 people. And many of them were really good friends of mine. And even though I had flags up all over my room, they'd still come over and hang out. They weren't offended, they didn't accuse me of being racist. In fact they like to crack jokes about it a lot. They were also Chicago gang bangers and could have killed me at any point if they really wanted. I didn't give a shit about their skin color. You treat me with respect and I will do the same. It's that simple. I think they knew that white people can suffer just as much as they can and understood all the bullshit that's out there. It didn't get in the way of our friendship at all, but MSM has been working over time to make us all hate each other & to think whites are out just oppressing minorities at every turn.

Everyone seems to forget we're all individuals and don't all fall into the bi-partisan spectrum.
I truly believe there have been forces actively tearing the US apart for the past few years and the political correctness and idiocy we're seeing from it is some of the fallout from it.. Our country is very divided at this point.

I've lived a very rough life. I won't apologize for being who I am though. I'm not attacking anybody or hurting anybody. Maybe their feelings, but tough shit. My mind is mine.

Hope you have a great one today man! Cheers!

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

quick Q, can you use codiene with tramadol. to potentiate the effects?

I think you could. They are both metabolized by the same liver enzyme though I think. So you may not get much potentiation. If your liver is busy metabolizing tramadol, it might not be able to fully metabolize the codeine into morphine.

All you can do is try. Or save the codeine for another occasion.

 

[supersonic89]

Absolutely! I think I am just getting older. It's a little easier to meet people and fuck around when you're still in your 20's. lol
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my routine too! lol Especially now. I have to be on a routine to keep my mental health in check.
When I was younger, I think I was more impulsive and more curious about the world and people. I've had several people in my life time tell me I'm charming & charismatic. I always had friends coming over, wanting to do drugs all the time. There were a lot of times I had to tell people to get out or lie and say I was busy so they wouldn't come over and I could have some time to myself. Lol I've had a lot of wild experiences up to this point.

I'm in the USA and while some states here are on strict lockdowns and people have had a harder time going about their usual lives, this is mostly in Democrat-run states. I'm in a Republican run state and other than having to wear masks in the store & some places being only telephone-visit only now, life has pretty much gone on the same as always and people are out & about and at restaurants, etc..

I'm hoping your right and something positive comes out of this new experience. I really, really miss my old life though. I've been living with an ex of mine trying to get use to living a life away from my mom and friends and it's been very hard. Yesterday we got into a huge argument and I ended up breaking the back door.

Lol I actually think tramadol nausea/vomiting feels different from regular opioid nausea some times as well. Tramadol nausea feels like a combo of Effexor nausea and opioids nausea. But it does feel good when you puke and all is better. haha

I have read many anecdotes about bupe metabolizing into norbuprenorphine (a full agonist) in low doses but I've never seen any concrete proof that bupe's metabolite actually affects the brain or that the buzz is anything to write home about. I've seen some people say that getting high off norbuprenorphine would be impossible too because it affects the lungs more so than other opiates and you would die of respiratory depression before getting high off of it. But then I've seen some medical articles saying that norbuprenorphine DOES contribute to the bupe experience. So I have no idea what's going on with bupes metabolite.
I've also seen some people talking about chemistry and how this guy was synthesizing an Etorphine-level opioid from buprenorphine and he was saying it was incredibly potent and nice. It's too bad I don't have enough chemistry knowledge to figure this out. I could be set for life with a full agonist!!!

To be honest, I'd say Tramadol & Buprenorphine are about equal in their ability to interrupt severe depression. They each have their pros and cons. Both are long acting, so you don't go into withdrawal right away. Both lose their recreational ability after awhile. With Tramadol though, I noticed that even when I would have the nods, I could still easily fight through them and i'd still have unlimited energy to get shit done. Where as with bupe, the nods are a lot more sedating and irritating (because they're not very euphoric like it is on trams or other opioids) and I pretty much have to 'rest my eyes' (i've become a master at this lol) or take a nap. lol I'd say they're both excellent for depression, but Tramadol is a little less heavy and sedating. I also use to lose weight on trams because I wouldn't have much of an appetite on them, but with bupe I get sweet cravings like mad and have put on a lot of extra weight. I think the NRI-aspect of Tramadol can keep your appetite down or something, not sure. I also didn't eat much on heroin cause I was just always satisfied with doing another bump of heroin. lol Maybe bupe makes me eat more because it's only a shitty partial agonist.

As for the pregablin, I'd definitely wait to try a dose that high while not on trams. Although if it were me, I'd just try to get my tolerance to the pregablin down again to the point where 600 or less would be enough for you to feel it. Going up to the higher doses poses the risk of becoming incredibly dependent on it and then not only will you be dealing with tram withdrawals but now you'll have a pregablin monkey on your back. And I bet withdrawal from both at the same time could lead to seizures or serious outcomes. Be careful man!

I'm sad for my old life that I miss. Been very nostalgic about things, so thanks for listening to me ramble about it. I'll get through this and one day be having great times again, I hope!

Hey @DeathIndustrial88 how are you doing my friend?

I still have an impulse problem (how did you solve yours?) I have gone through several stages of impulsivity: addiction, kleptomania, binge eating, anorexia, shopping, etc. I think the only thing I've ever suffered from is gambling addiction lol. I also have a problem with nostalgia, sometimes I stay too long reminiscing about old times, although I think it has intensified x 1000 thanks to social distancing and measures against the pandemic. All I'm hoping is that this shit ends soon. Sorry to hear about your discussion man. Tramadol withdrawal may have played a role?. I have very sudden mood swings and in fact a few days ago, I also had an argument with someone close to me.

About Bupe, I took it a very short time (1 week) but it never seemed to me that I got cravings for sweets, although it has happened to me with other opioids or depressants. Tramadol fucker gives me a kind of appetite rebound effect and it's very noticeable after 5 days of abstinence, I have sweet cravings all freaking day. When I was clean for about two months last year, I gained quite a bit of weight from this. What a depressing shit.

About pregabalin, I totally agree with you. It is very dangerous to play with that drug or benzos. A few weeks ago, I ran out of clonazepam (I had been taking it for about 1 month daily) and within 2 days I began to feel a kind of confusion, anxiety, nervousness and finally almost a panic attack. This surprised me since I have never had a panic attack in my life, it was something really annoying and scary. Finally, I made a taper and put the benzos down a week ago. The first day I felt a little weird but now I feel really good indeed (I ended up hating that kind of apathy and anhedonia that benzos give me. also I have never understood why many people enjoy them in combination with opioids, in my case I felt that the euphoric effect of opioids was "killed" by benzos. The only thing I noticed was that the sedative effect was increased. They are great for panic attacks or seizures but I will never take them daily again).

And hey man don't worry, it's nice to read you and I'm sure better times will come. (y)

Be safe my friend!!

PS. I'd like to read some of those wild experiences man hahaha.

 

[supersonic89]

quick Q, can you use codiene with tramadol. to potentiate the effects?

As @DeathIndustrial88 says, I find it difficult to combine both drugs since they act very similar. When I took them together, I felt like I was wasting the codeine because I never felt much of its effects except for a little itchiness and extra sedation. Although it is also true that I never took much codeine and possibly my tolerance to tramadol has caused a cross tolerance so my doses were too low.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Hey @DeathIndustrial88 how are you doing my friend?

I still have an impulse problem (how did you solve yours?) I have gone through several stages of impulsivity: addiction, kleptomania, binge eating, anorexia, shopping, etc. I think the only thing I've ever suffered from is gambling addiction lol. I also have a problem with nostalgia, sometimes I stay too long reminiscing about old times, although I think it has intensified x 1000 thanks to social distancing and measures against the pandemic. All I'm hoping is that this shit ends soon. Sorry to hear about your discussion man. Tramadol withdrawal may have played a role?. I have very sudden mood swings and in fact a few days ago, I also had an argument with someone close to me.

About Bupe, I took it a very short time (1 week) but it never seemed to me that I got cravings for sweets, although it has happened to me with other opioids or depressants. Tramadol fucker gives me a kind of appetite rebound effect and it's very noticeable after 5 days of abstinence, I have sweet cravings all freaking day. When I was clean for about two months last year, I gained quite a bit of weight from this. What a depressing shit.

About pregabalin, I totally agree with you. It is very dangerous to play with that drug or benzos. A few weeks ago, I ran out of clonazepam (I had been taking it for about 1 month daily) and within 2 days I began to feel a kind of confusion, anxiety, nervousness and finally almost a panic attack. This surprised me since I have never had a panic attack in my life, it was something really annoying and scary. Finally, I made a taper and put the benzos down a week ago. The first day I felt a little weird but now I feel really good indeed (I ended up hating that kind of apathy and anhedonia that benzos give me. also I have never understood why many people enjoy them in combination with opioids, in my case I felt that the euphoric effect of opioids was "killed" by benzos. The only thing I noticed was that the sedative effect was increased. They are great for panic attacks or seizures but I will never take them daily again).

And hey man don't worry, it's nice to read you and I'm sure better times will come. (y)

Be safe my friend!!

PS. I'd like to read some of those wild experiences man hahaha.

You sound so very similar to me!!!!!
To answer your question about solving my impulse control, I'd have to say bupe did it. I don't know what it is about bupe (maybe the K-antagonism).
But it didn't stop it completely. I still used drugs on bupe, so I can't say it kept me from doing everything. but it did dampen that uncomfortable feeling you get when you get that "i need drugs now!" feeling inside you. Of course it worked the best for the first 2 years or so and now not so much. I haven't gone back to alcohol, but lately I have been taking doses of 200-300mg of DXM. I use to go on DXM binges in between tramadol scripts. It was the only way I could get through the week or two of withdrawal. Some times I would take 600-1000mg of dxm and then drink a half a bottle of vodka ontop of it. lol Im pretty sure I gave myself brain damage by doing this. There were a few times I even smoked crystal meth while tripping out on 600+mg doses of DXM and lots of hard liquor. I think the only reason I survived was cause I was young and in my 20's. lol But anyways, I had a few pretty frightening, near death-like experiences on DXM. Especially when I mixed it with cannabis. They were so mind blowing that I stopped doing it for a number of years. But now I've been using it to try and lower my tolerance to bupe here and there and find myself wanting to go for a trip. lol So I guess I haven't COMPLETELY solved that problem! lol

I am doing alright man! Yesterday was HELL!! I had to go to the DMV in the city. I needed to switch over my drivers license and they told me I needed a birth certificate! So it was a waste of trip. My birth certificate is shredded & I need to find out how to get a new one sent to me. You don't need shit to vote here but I need a birth certifcate, social security card and 2 pieces of mail in order to transfer my drivers license from one state to another. lol And then me and my partner (who I think is schizophrenic) went to the store so I could pick up some money my mom sent me. And while we were standing in line my partner said really loudly "everyone's putting their ass all on me and NONE of them are attractive!!"... I was like, wtf! I yelled at him to shut the fuck up immediately afterwards. lol He does shit like this often, especially if it's a stressful time. He'll point at people and say shit to them and act like they're "putting thoughts into his mind". It can be SO embarrassing for me! Plus we had a fight on Sunday that got pretty heated and I broke some shit. lol By the end of last night, I was covered in swear and my nerves were shot from the high anxiety & anger I had all day.

I'm not sure it's tramadol withdrawal per say, cause at the end of my addiction to it, I used it intermittently and then took bupe on the days I wouldn't take any. And I spaced the days in between pretty good. So i didn't really feel any withdrawal after my last dose of trams. But I have no doubt that after 10 years of using them like I did, that I probably fucked some things up in my head. A long with all the other stupid drugs I use to do.


Aaaah yes! Be VERY careful man! You've never had a panic attack before this point!? Damn!! I'm on clonazepam for panic attacks. lol What were you on benzos for if I may ask or did you just find them recreational or need them to take high dose trams? What's awful about benzos is the rebound anxiety. I've had panic attacks numerous times in my life before using benzos, but I managed to avoid withdrawal from benzos for most of my life because I didn't find them to be very fun drugs for the longest time. In fact that made me feel sick some times (especially klonopin). I also use to get what's cause "taste perversion" in medical literature from clonazepam. It would make everything I ate or drank taste really weird and gross which would make me nauseous. I was finally prescribed my own klonopin like 2 years ago and thankfully I don't get those side effects anymore, but I finally learned what it's like to take it for too many days and then have rebound anxiety! It is an absolute nightmare! I would compare it to almost that same feeling you get when you accidentally get precipitated withdrawal on bupe. lol My mind and body just goes haywire, heart rate sky rockets, blood pressure goes up and I feel like I'm gonna die or go totally crazy. The rebound panic attacks are even worse than regular panic attacks!


I didn't have much of an appetite for sweets or anything really when I first started using bupe. If anything, it made me not eat and be more active at first. But I bet if you stayed on bupe long enough that you got accustom to it, you'd know what I was talking about eventually. It comes and goes. Not only sweets but all foods really. I've noticed I can totally potentiate my bupe dose later on in the day just by eating a bunch of food. I think this happens naturally when sober people eat too but after I eat on an opiate I'll get head rushes and feel really sleepy and comfortable for awhile. lol And I'm a sucker for chocolate and to a lesser extent vanilla and other sweet shit. I also drink pop, which I should really kick out of my diet.


Oh man, I could ramble on about my good old days forever! lol I have had some friends tell me I should write a book cause my life's just been insane.
I've known a handful of murderous drug dealers. I've watched a guy shoot up a needle full of a girls blood because she couldn't get the needle in right or something, so she was just going to throw it away and he said no and actually shot it up cause there was still meth mixed in with the blood lol. Me and my friends would go on wild adventures all the time and get fucked up. And then sometimes I'd get fucked up by myself at home and I'd meet up with a total stranger on the internet and hook up and party in the cities. I started partying when I was about 13 or 14ish. One of my siblings was a dealer and so we always had people in and out of our house, along with good shit. lol By the age of 16, I had already tried alcohol, cannabis, ecstasy, crank (shitty meth we had back then), amphetamine salts, cocaine, mushrooms, etc.. One of our drugs dealers back then went to prison for trying to hire a bunch of people to kill this guy and then bring him his finger to prove they went through with it. But they ended up turning him in instead. And then we knew another dealer & his girlfriend who we use to get our xtc from and he was oxycodone addict and he ended up stabbing his girlfriend one night during withdrawals. His girlfriend was a friend of my friends too. She had called our house the night before looking to see if anyone had any oxy cause her guy was going crazy. But we didn't fuck with opiates back then like that. But I guess he stabbed her and she didn't die right away, so he took her to the bedroom and talked to her til she died and then went out in the morning and told his neighbor what he had done. lol It was so fucked up. And then me and a bunch of friends actually partied in their trailer after the guy was arrested. You could still see the blood stains on the floor. I ended up having a really bad car accident while drinking one night at the place too. No idea how me or the people who were with me survived.

But my sibling ended up moving out when I was 19 and then me and my mom moved away to another state and I had start to meeting new people. And I eventually met my old heroin dealer (who is also is jail now for murder) lol. Just so much crazy shit that has happened in my life. I could sit here for days typing about all the crazy shit I've done and seen. lol


It's always a pleasure chatting with you man! Are they still having strict lock down measures where you're at? It's not too bad here. I don't really go out and meet new people anymore like I did because I have a partner. I mean I was single a lot back in the day when I did all these crazy things, so I would hook up with people and have a good time if you know what I mean. lol And this would usually expand my social circle, but now that I have a partner it would be cheating and it would make things messy & crazy, so I can't be doing that kind of stuff now. Not sure how I could go about making new friends or meeting new people now a days. It's hard to relate to people and I don't drink so you won't find me in a bar or anything like that. lol Some times I think it's for the better not to have a social circle some times, but it does suck not having anything to do a lot of the time.

Anyways, I hope you have a killer weekend man! Stay safe and all the best!
Cheers man!

 

[LordOfThisWorld]

I agree. I went and checked out what you were referring to.

MSM has done a great job at throwing propaganda at our citizens for the past many years.
Along with Big Tech & their insane censorship.

Hell, I'm gay & a drug addict and totally understand where you're coming from. I own all kinds of flags, hats, music & books related to NS.
People would assume because i'm gay and want drug reform that I must be a "lefty" or a "democrat", but it's just not true. lol
And then there's people who think because I like NS stuff that I must be some super racist, fascist klan member. lol

It's funny cause everyone I use to do heroin with was black. lol Except for like 2 people. And many of them were really good friends of mine. And even though I had flags up all over my room, they'd still come over and hang out. They weren't offended, they didn't accuse me of being racist. In fact they like to crack jokes about it a lot. They were also Chicago gang bangers and could have killed me at any point if they really wanted. I didn't give a shit about their skin color. You treat me with respect and I will do the same. It's that simple. I think they knew that white people can suffer just as much as they can and understood all the bullshit that's out there. It didn't get in the way of our friendship at all, but MSM has been working over time to make us all hate each other & to think whites are out just oppressing minorities at every turn.

Everyone seems to forget we're all individuals and don't all fall into the bi-partisan spectrum.
I truly believe there have been forces actively tearing the US apart for the past few years and the political correctness and idiocy we're seeing from it is some of the fallout from it.. Our country is very divided at this point.

I've lived a very rough life. I won't apologize for being who I am though. I'm not attacking anybody or hurting anybody. Maybe their feelings, but tough shit. My mind is mine.

Hope you have a great one today man! Cheers!

I hear where you’re coming from brother, and I don’t pass judging people, what people do is their own business you and supersonic and Dalpat077 have been the three coolest people on her and also PrincessDiz, I have nothing against people sexual orientation or what they do for a living, I’m not going to derail this thread but I think you know me and I’m not like what people are trying to make me to be, DeathIndustrial88.

I tried looking up if I can take Tramadol with singulair and Breo inhaler and albuterol inhaler, I just got deemed asthmatic by my doctor was getting shortness of breath thought I might have Covid did the test it came back negative, so I went to see my doctor and he says I’m asthmatic and prescribed me the above medications.

I still take Tramadol once in awhile and jyst wanted to know if it’s dangerous taking these together?

I looked it up online and couldn’t find anything, would you know if it interacts badly taking these together, or anyone else on here?

Thanks brother and I hope you’ve been well.