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Misc What's something that makes you want to get sober?

DeathIndustrial88 said:
Sober from what exactly?

All drugs have their own unique effects and affects on our wellbeing/personality.

I use to do a lot of meth & it took moving away from it to stop doing it completely.
But I'm also an opiate/heroin addict and actually love the effects they give me and I receive positive mental health benefits from them (provided I don't have to withdrawal).
I also quit alcohol & realize how boring of a buzz it is and how gross it feels and how it makes people act stupid. Never looked back and never crave alcohol.

So one part of me says it's good to get sober from drugs that are causing you tremendous harm, if you can do it.
But the other part of me says sobriety is just a shitty moral idea manufactured by society and the masses and it's a standard that not everyone can live up to.
So people should have the right to use drugs if they feel they can function and handle them & receive positive benefits from doing so, without pressure from society to stay "clean".
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You took the words out of my mouth. I completely agree.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
Having an opioid & thc accessible to me daily keeps me from going back to drinking & messing around with other dangerous drugs. I don't mind having an opioid dependence if it makes my life better. Having a chemical dependence is less of my concern than my quality of life is. A lot of addicts use drugs to self medicate and while a lot of these people may do better sober, there are some like me who benefit from using drugs. So getting sober would actually be worse for me.
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I can relate. The only reason why I want to get sober is because I want to start a family eventually. I wouldn't quit otherwise because I really don't like my 100% sober state. People try to tell me its due to self-loathing, but that isn't the case. Painkillers just bring me where I need to be mentally.
 
Gormur said:
This is precisely why I don't want to be sober. If I'm sober I only sleep about 5 hours a night and have to wear myself out with nonsense. If I'm on something, I can sleep 7 hours at night and feel refreshed in the morning and also function better. I guess I'm fucked, hehe ;)

Only the cold grip of death can take me away from drugs
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Its the main reason why I don't wanna get sober either. My dreams to start a family is my only hope for sobriety.
 
FunctionalJnkieGrl said:
I can relate. The only reason why I want to get sober is because I want to start a family eventually. I wouldn't quit otherwise because I really don't like my 100% sober state. People try to tell me its due to self-loathing, but that isn't the case. Painkillers just bring me where I need to be mentally.
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I'm glad it's not just me out there then. I absolutely love my drugs and always have and most likely always will.

I definitely realize the potential of certain drugs to ruin my life (like meth or alcohol), so I try to keep those to "recreational", "every once in awhile" type deals (actually I haven't drank in 5 years now, where as before that I drank off & on for 15 years).
But like you said, opioids and cannabis bring me to a mental state where I can function. They help stabilize my mood too.

Back when I was younger and couldn't get an opioid or cannabis, I was very self destructive. It was like I was a completely different person. My mind and my body hurt constantly and all I could think about was popping any drug I could find (until I could find opiates/weed) for relief and destroy myself in the process. I never wanna go back to being that person. I'm a better person on my drugs honestly. This goes for all opioids too, including heroin. If I could be on a heroin-maintenance program (rather than bupe/methadone) I would probably be the type who could manage it responsibly and use it therapeutically. Hell, I been a heroin/opioid addict for about 12 years now and have never even once overdosed because I'm that careful. lol

I can remember times where I was 2 minutes from committing suicide and somebody would pop in and ask me if I wanna smoke a bowl & after I'd smoke I'd immediately be calmed down and even think to myself "omg, I can't believe I was gonna do that!".. People demonize drugs a lot. A lot of people like to blame drugs for their own choices and behavior, but I can think of several times where drugs have saved my life.

I absolutely hate my sober state too 100% lol. Asking me to be sober is like asking me to live a lifetime of extreme pain and agony.

I can understand wanting to stay sober to start a family though. Especially because of the law. Getting busted or caught up like that would definitely be unfair to your children. I'd say that's probably one of the best reasons to get sober. I hated watching my mom and family get blinding drunk as a kid. It often lead to violence and then I too became violent on alcohol once I got older.

I keep hoping that things will change in my life time and people will start to see drugs differently (and the people who use them) and maybe there will be legal paths to using the medicines we desire and need. The world has to stop thinking in this narrow frame of view that the only way to "truly live" is to have to live absolutely clean and sober. Some people should try to be sober (especially those who become violent on alcohol or people who become slutty and hypersexual on meth), but everyone is an individual and everyone's needs are different. Drugs can destroy some while completely saving others.

I would get into the subject about how opiates in the long term cause less organ and brain damage than almost any other drug (even legal ones) and how much misinformation and misunderstanding there is surrounding opiates, but I think I'm rambling too much already. haha

I wish you all the best friend!! Hang in there & all the best to you and your family, if you one day decide to start one! ;) Cheers!

EDIT : I see you were asking some one else about Baclofen. I tried baclofen for myoclonic jerks while also taking suboxone. It made me nauseous and sick, almost like alcohol would and I didn't get any craving relief from it. And no pain relief either or relief from my body jerks. But I also wasn't using higher doses that are indicated for addiction treatment. I've read that it's mostly successful in alcoholics & GHB addicts since it works on GABA B receptors. But for opioid addiction/dependence, in my experience with lower doses, it did nothing. I've also read that it messes with parts of the brain that can actually stop you from getting euphoria from any drugs after you've been on it long enough. You can also die if you stop taking baclofen abruptly. Have you thought about being on Bupe or Methadone instead?
 
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DeathIndustrial88 said:
I'm glad it's not just me out there then. I absolutely love my drugs and always have and most likely always will.

I definitely realize the potential of certain drugs to ruin my life (like meth or alcohol), so I try to keep those to "recreational", "every once in awhile" type deals (actually I haven't drank in 5 years now, where as before that I drank off & on for 15 years).
But like you said, opioids and cannabis bring me to a mental state where I can function. They help stabilize my mood too.

Back when I was younger and couldn't get an opioid or cannabis, I was very self destructive. It was like I was a completely different person. My mind and my body hurt constantly and all I could think about was popping any drug I could find (until I could find opiates/weed) for relief and destroy myself in the process. I never wanna go back to being that person. I'm a better person on my drugs honestly. This goes for all opioids too, including heroin. If I could be on a heroin-maintenance program (rather than bupe/methadone) I would probably be the type who could manage it responsibly and use it therapeutically. Hell, I been a heroin/opioid addict for about 12 years now and have never even once overdosed because I'm that careful. lol

I can remember times where I was 2 minutes from committing suicide and somebody would pop in and ask me if I wanna smoke a bowl & after I'd smoke I'd immediately be calmed down and even think to myself "omg, I can't believe I was gonna do that!".. People demonize drugs a lot. A lot of people like to blame drugs for their own choices and behavior, but I can think of several times where drugs have saved my life.

I absolutely hate my sober state too 100% lol. Asking me to be sober is like asking me to live a lifetime of extreme pain and agony.

I can understand wanting to stay sober to start a family though. Especially because of the law. Getting busted or caught up like that would definitely be unfair to your children. I'd say that's probably one of the best reasons to get sober. I hated watching my mom and family get blinding drunk as a kid. It often lead to violence and then I too became violent on alcohol once I got older.

I keep hoping that things will change in my life time and people will start to see drugs differently (and the people who use them) and maybe there will be legal paths to using the medicines we desire and need. The world has to stop thinking in this narrow frame of view that the only way to "truly live" is to have to live absolutely clean and sober. Some people should try to be sober (especially those who become violent on alcohol or people who become slutty and hypersexual on meth), but everyone is an individual and everyone's needs are different. Drugs can destroy some while completely saving others.

I would get into the subject about how opiates in the long term cause less organ and brain damage than almost any other drug (even legal ones) and how much misinformation and misunderstanding there is surrounding opiates, but I think I'm rambling too much already. haha

I wish you all the best friend!! Hang in there & all the best to you and your family, if you one day decide to start one! ;) Cheers!

EDIT : I see you were asking some one else about Baclofen. I tried baclofen for myoclonic jerks while also taking suboxone. It made me nauseous and sick, almost like alcohol would and I didn't get any craving relief from it. And no pain relief either or relief from my body jerks. But I also wasn't using higher doses that are indicated for addiction treatment. I've read that it's mostly successful in alcoholics & GHB addicts since it works on GABA B receptors. But for opioid addiction/dependence, in my experience with lower doses, it did nothing. I've also read that it messes with parts of the brain that can actually stop you from getting euphoria from any drugs after you've been on it long enough. You can also die if you stop taking baclofen abruptly. Have you thought about being on Bupe or Methadone instead?
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I have a lot of alcoholics in my family as well, namely my father. Saw him go through DT's once and it was heartbreaking to see. I still drink on weekends, but that scared me out of drinking daily. I started drinking heavily on a daily basis for a month years ago right before I quit a job that drove me to drinking in the first place. When I quit the job, so did the heavy drinking. I didn't want to become an alcoholic on top of my existing painkiller addiction. Yes, most of the stigma about drugs is due to their illegal status. If not for that, it could be treated like alcohol. Thanks for the info about baclofen, by the way. I've considered methadone, as there's only 1 treatment center in my town and its a methadone maintenance program. That's probably my only option outside of going cold-turkey, but I'll try to tackle that in a year or 2.
 
FunctionalJnkieGrl said:
I started drinking heavily on a daily basis for a month years ago right before I quit a job that drove me to drinking in the first place. When I quit the job, so did the heavy drinking.
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The same exact thing happened to me. It’s awful to feel that bad about a job. Sometimes quitting is the best option.
 
FunctionalJnkieGrl said:
I have a lot of alcoholics in my family as well, namely my father. Saw him go through DT's once and it was heartbreaking to see. I still drink on weekends, but that scared me out of drinking daily. I started drinking heavily on a daily basis for a month years ago right before I quit a job that drove me to drinking in the first place. When I quit the job, so did the heavy drinking. I didn't want to become an alcoholic on top of my existing painkiller addiction. Yes, most of the stigma about drugs is due to their illegal status. If not for that, it could be treated like alcohol. Thanks for the info about baclofen, by the way. I've considered methadone, as there's only 1 treatment center in my town and its a methadone maintenance program. That's probably my only option outside of going cold-turkey, but I'll try to tackle that in a year or 2.
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I can relate to that. Almost everyone in my family has a problem with alcohol or drugs. I just lost my oldest sister this past summer to alcohol. She was in her 50's and had 13 kids (i know, it's a fuck ton lol). She had been a life long alcoholic and was told a few years ago that if she did not stop drinking her liver was going to fail. She had the choice to stop and get a liver transplant, but she chose to keep drinking instead until her liver eventually did fail. It was no longer filtering the ammonia and toxins out of her blood. 2 of my other sisters were with her while she died.

My best friend is an alcoholic as well. And I've been trying to get her to see how awful of a drug it really is, but I think she just truly cannot give it up. It's sad to watch. I think she's gonna end up just like my sister in about 15 years.

Baclofen was an awful experience. I know it has helped others though, so I can't say it wouldn't help you or anybody else, it's all up to the individual and how they react to it. But if you're looking for something to keep you off opioids, baclofen definitely doesn't have the potential IMO. Although I have yet to try the higher doses indicated for addiction. But if they feel anything like the lower doses, then no thanks from me. lol

I've been wanting to get on Methadone myself. I've been on buprenorphine the past 5 years and I'm starting to really hate it. I can literally feel that it's a partial agonist, only half-ass activating my receptors. So it's not helping with cravings or anything. There's no pain relief or mood lift/euphoria anymore. But getting on methadone isn't very easy in the US unless you're live ontop of the clinic practically. There's no way I would want to go to a clinic every day. It would not be easy living so far away from a clinic for one and two, it's just dehumanizing having to be "monitored" when I take my medicine, like i'm a fucking moron or something.
Personally, I wish they'd just bring diacetylmorphine maintenance to America. Nothing truly gets rid of heroin cravings except.... heroin. lol I think I could function, live a long life and be happy if I had about 3-4 decent doses of pharm grade heroin available to me to use everyday. Alas, I can only dream of this reality and am still stuck with shitty buprenorphine. And so i'm now on a mission to be very vocal about how ridiculous & hypocritical it is keeping these drugs illegal.

You seem like a logical and intelligence person FunctionalJnkieGirl! Pleasure to speak with some one who can relate and understands. Thank you for that. :)
Have a great one today! All the best!
Cheers! :)
 
tweakerguy said:
All jokes aside, while i do wish I had a "normal" life without the unrealistic expectation of feeling good all the time, I've lived the sober life (ie; no substances outside of coffee) for stretches of time. And in hindsight, i was bored off my ass.
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Yeah, I think I get what you're saying.

Even when life on drugs sucks, it's rarely boring.

Normal life on the other hand can be horribly dull.
 
tweakerguy said:
All jokes aside, while i do wish I had a "normal" life without the unrealistic expectation of feeling good all the time, I've lived the sober life (ie; no substances outside of coffee) for stretches of time. And in hindsight, i was bored off my ass.
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Yeah, a lifetime of boredom is another reason I'm hesitant about getting sober.
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
I can relate to that. Almost everyone in my family has a problem with alcohol or drugs. I just lost my oldest sister this past summer to alcohol. She was in her 50's and had 13 kids (i know, it's a fuck ton lol). She had been a life long alcoholic and was told a few years ago that if she did not stop drinking her liver was going to fail. She had the choice to stop and get a liver transplant, but she chose to keep drinking instead until her liver eventually did fail. It was no longer filtering the ammonia and toxins out of her blood. 2 of my other sisters were with her while she died.

My best friend is an alcoholic as well. And I've been trying to get her to see how awful of a drug it really is, but I think she just truly cannot give it up. It's sad to watch. I think she's gonna end up just like my sister in about 15 years.

Baclofen was an awful experience. I know it has helped others though, so I can't say it wouldn't help you or anybody else, it's all up to the individual and how they react to it. But if you're looking for something to keep you off opioids, baclofen definitely doesn't have the potential IMO. Although I have yet to try the higher doses indicated for addiction. But if they feel anything like the lower doses, then no thanks from me. lol

I've been wanting to get on Methadone myself. I've been on buprenorphine the past 5 years and I'm starting to really hate it. I can literally feel that it's a partial agonist, only half-ass activating my receptors. So it's not helping with cravings or anything. There's no pain relief or mood lift/euphoria anymore. But getting on methadone isn't very easy in the US unless you're live ontop of the clinic practically. There's no way I would want to go to a clinic every day. It would not be easy living so far away from a clinic for one and two, it's just dehumanizing having to be "monitored" when I take my medicine, like i'm a fucking moron or something.
Personally, I wish they'd just bring diacetylmorphine maintenance to America. Nothing truly gets rid of heroin cravings except.... heroin. lol I think I could function, live a long life and be happy if I had about 3-4 decent doses of pharm grade heroin available to me to use everyday. Alas, I can only dream of this reality and am still stuck with shitty buprenorphine. And so i'm now on a mission to be very vocal about how ridiculous & hypocritical it is keeping these drugs illegal.

You seem like a logical and intelligence person FunctionalJnkieGirl! Pleasure to speak with some one who can relate and understands. Thank you for that. :)
Have a great one today! All the best!
Cheers! :)
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Thank you very much for the compliment. I don't get many of those these days. I'm sorry for your loss, by the way. My grandfather (mom's dad) was once a violent drunk and was told the same thing about his liver. Luckily, he turned his life around and became a good husband and model father to my mom and her 2 sisters. He hasn't had a drop since the doc told him he'd likely die if he had another drink. Also, methadone maintenance can be a bitch if you don't live in a town with a treatment center. The one in my town is only open for 2 or 3 hours a day during the early morning hours, 6 days a week. I haven't considered subs since I heard if not taken at precisely the right time during peak withdrawal, it could actually cause acute withdrawals. I agree, drugs should be legalized for adult use--or decriminalized at the very least. If anything, harvesting raw opium for personal use should be okay.
 
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FunctionalJnkieGrl said:
Thank you very much for the compliment. I don't get many of those these days. I'm sorry for your loss, by the way. My grandfather (mom's dad) was once a violent drunk and was told the same thing about his liver. Luckily, he turned his life around and became a good husband and model father to my mom and her 2 sisters. He hasn't had a drop since the doc told him he'd likely die if he had another drink. Also, methadone maintenance can be a bitch if you don't live in a town with a treatment center. The one in my town is only open for 2 or 3 hours a day during the early morning hours, 6 days a week. I haven't considered subs since I heard if not taken at precisely the right time during peak withdrawal, it could actually cause acute withdrawals. I agree, drugs should be legalized for adult use--or decriminalized at the very least. If anything, harvesting raw opium for personal use should be okay.
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I couldn't agree more! I'm glad to hear your grandfather turned his life around. Not only did it change the course of his own life but I'm sure it did your moms, for sure!
I sort of understand my sister though. We have some pretty bad mental health shit in our genetics and I can kind of see why she just didn't want to hang on anymore. I can only hope she found peace.

Bupe will definitely throw you into precipitated withdrawals. If you wait long enough though, it can be a bridge. Once your tolerance drops and if you use the right doses of bupe, it starts to sort of be very similar to methadone. I've been on it for 5 years or more and some days I can still feel it. But the effects are very inconsistent after you've been on it long enough. Some days I feel great! And then some days I'll feel effects from it, but it's mostly just extreme lethargy, sedation, nods, but no euphoria or mood lift. And all the side effects of an opiate (except maybe itching). Using cannabis or thc can knock it up a level that helps with heroin cravings for me.

Bupe can be an amazing life saving tool. But after awhile, I was back to craving full agonists cause bupe was just barely tickling my receptors. Almost taunting me. lol
It's not an easy decision to make, to get on these super long acting maintenance meds, so I can understand your hesitation. It takes a lot of commitment.

Hope you have a great weekend friend!
Cheers~!
 
Crazyolcatlady said:
I'm an alcoholic and ever since my doctor put me on campral, I have no desire to drink or use at all
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Why that stuff isn´t used more is a mystery. Seems a way better option as you will still have do the stopping. Compared to the rather forced other two methods.

But when compared with Disulfiram and Naltrexone Acamprosate seems way ahead. Lower glutamine while raising GABA. Sounds like a miracle.

Never been offered it though, or any other treatment for Alcohol problems.
 
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