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Negi said:
So you had an experience that was more or less just like regular MDMA (with good euphoria), except for a short duration, then some experiences where the empathy and euphoria were mostly gone (but they had the usual MDMA duration) and you think these must both be the result of the same issue?

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So the timeline was still getting most MDMA effects (but short) -> significantly reduced effects (but regular duration) -> Almost no effects (what was the duration here?)
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I don't think there is any single issue at play here, no. Did my post make it seem that way?

One time getting most effects with a crazy short duration -> 2-3 years of close enough to not think anything of it -> Shit effects, not no effects (2-3hr duration)

Negi said:
Where did the magic experiences fit in in terms of the breaks?
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There's no pattern so far as I'm aware. One batch of magic that I found in Idaho was 3mo after last rolling. One batch two weeks after last rolling.

I'm really, really open to there being issues with me personally that would be the cause of Meh experiences, but I just don't see how it's possible, right now. I'm relatively young still, all my MDMA use has been within a period of six years, I haven't used MDMA too many times nor at high doses, I take care of myself better than most people ever will, I haven't abused any other stimulants, and I can still experience Magic just fine (and did, two weeks ago) with there being no correlation between time since last use and Magic, nor a slight steady decrease in effects as described recently in the thread.

It's possible frequent psychedelic use and periods of dissociative use could be an issue, or being prescribed amphetamines for ADHD. But, most of my psychedelic and dissociative use was before that first super short experience I mentioned, as was my regular use of an amphetamine prescription.

This reminds me, I've been having the thought that it would be a good idea for all of us experiencing Meh to brainstorm possible reasons it could be a personal issue, and then see if we find any connections.

EDIT: Seriously, thank you for engaging here @Negi I appreciate the nuanced questioning you're bringing here.
 
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This reminds me, I've been having the thought that it would be a good idea for all of us experiencing Meh to brainstorm possible reasons it could be a personal issue, and then see if we find any connections.
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My top guess for me would be hormonal issues related to the birth control I used for a long time. As an Indian medication not approved in the USA, there is not a lot of published data on it. However, I have seen data that shows it may interfere with dopamine in some way. And, not too long ago in the thread I shared some research that showed a connection between DHEA release and the MDMA peak, which could also connect to my hormonal levels (as I have shown low DHEA on some recent tests). I also have several genetic mutations that impact MAO activity, but that would have been present when I started rolling, that is not something that changed.
 
Negi said:
Have your magic experiences been near those breaks? If not, how close were they to other MDMA use?
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My magic experiences were from 2000-2005(ish) and then my dealer quit. After that, I never found the same product again. I have had a batch, here or there, that was better than the rest. I had one decent batch around 2013, but did not have enough of it to experiment with dosage.
 
psy997 said:
I don't think there is any single issue at play here, no. Did my post make it seem that way?

One time getting most effects with a crazy short duration -> 2-3 years of close enough to not think anything of it -> Shit effects, not no effects (2-3hr duration)



There's no pattern so far as I'm aware. One batch of magic that I found in Idaho was 3mo after last rolling. One batch two weeks after last rolling.

I'm really, really open to there being issues with me personally that would be the cause of Meh experiences, but I just don't see how it's possible, right now. I'm relatively young still, all my MDMA use has been within a period of six years, I haven't used MDMA too many times nor at high doses, I take care of myself better than most people ever will, I haven't abused any other stimulants, and I can still experience Magic just fine (and did, two weeks ago) with there being no correlation between time since last use and Magic, nor a slight steady decrease in effects as described recently in the thread.

It's possible frequent psychedelic use and periods of dissociative use could be an issue, or being prescribed amphetamines for ADHD. But, most of my psychedelic and dissociative use was before that first super short experience I mentioned, as was my regular use of an amphetamine prescription.

This reminds me, I've been having the thought that it would be a good idea for all of us experiencing Meh to brainstorm possible reasons it could be a personal issue, and then see if we find any connections.

EDIT: Seriously, thank you for engaging here @Negi I appreciate the nuanced questioning you're bringing here.
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Didn’t you also get a magic sample somewhere in the Midwest one time too? Or am I thinking of someone else?

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indigoaura said:
My magic experiences were from 2000-2005(ish) and then my dealer quit. After that, I never found the same product again. I have had a batch, here or there, that was better than the rest. I had one decent batch around 2013, but did not have enough of it to experiment with dosage.
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So you've only found something you consider to be close to the original magic once since 2005? How long had it been since you had taken MDMA when you first encountered the decent 2013 batch? Did your partner try it as well or was that after he had given up on MDMA?
 
Negi said:
So you've only found something you consider to be close to the original magic once since 2005? How long had it been since you had taken MDMA when you first encountered the decent 2013 batch? Did your partner try it as well or was that after he had given up on MDMA?
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He never tried that batch. That was during his break.

I don't have detailed notes from 2013 readily accessible. So, I can't tell you in detail how many months were between doses. I know that during that era, 2010-2013, I was doing MDMA maybe 2-3 times per year.

That particular batch was obtained locally, but the guy had gotten it from San Francisco.

I remember doing it at a concert and feeling nauseous on the comeup like normal, and then being blissed out on a 3 hour ride home from Austin. I also remember doing it at a beach and having a great time. So, I did it a few times. That batch never made me sick in the week afterwards like these other batches have.
 
G_Chem said:
Didn’t you also get a magic sample somewhere in the Midwest one time too? Or am I thinking of someone else?

-GC
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Yea, I actually had typed that but apparently took it out of my comment.

I found amazing stuff in Idaho back in Q2 of 2017.
 
Negi said:
So did he ever have a magic experience after 2005?
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Short answer: No.

We both switched to the new supplier, and were both underwhelmed by it. We experimented for awhile with mixing it with MDA from the same supplier, which was better. But we always felt like it was different than how it had been with the old supplier. Sometimes it made us sick, which was why I sent it in for testing.

On a few occasions, we got pills from a local guy. The pills were somewhat better that the powder in terms of the experience itself, but super dirty. They made us both sick with the week long indigestion issue (yes, both of us). I still have one of those pills that I held on to for more advanced testing. After they made us sick, we didn't want to use them again. Can't remember when that was, but it was around 2009. In 2010, my partner stopped using MDMA, and he has only done it twice since 2010.
 
At the risk of muddying the waters even further, here is my take on the whole situation.

The terms 'MehDMA' and 'MagicDMA' are definitely highly subjective.

However, I had a break from MDMA (having never really abused it in the past) from around 2001 (having been spoilt with the doves of the early 90s and the Mitsubishis of the late 90s and the plethora of good pills around that time) until about 2013 while I dealt with my opiate addiction (which was a constant from 1995 to 2015) - quite a long tolerance break I'm sure you will agree. Anyway, I sourced some crystal MDMA and took a solid dose with all the anticipation of a child waiting for Santa claus.

Santa Clause never came. I sat glued to the chair all night with my eyes wiggling to fuck thinking "what the fuck is this shit?"

Having got back into the saddle, I have had numerous batches since then and can only pick out two which were outstanding. But the point is, I AM STILL CAPABLE OF BEING IMPRESSED..!

As far as I'm concerned, there are three basic types of MDMA doing the rounds:

1. CrapDMA: A total disappointment all round. To use the firework analogy from @Hilopsilo this is the roman candle that wouldn't even light the fuse.

2. MehDMA: Comes on strong and promises the earth, yet fails to deliver. Enjoyable in the short term, but ultimately disappointing. All fizz and no bang!

3. GoodDMA: Takes your fuckin breath away. Fills your veins with liquid ice and fire. Breathing is orgasmic. There is a shift of consciousness after the come up which persists for several more hours. No desire to redose because you are totally satisfied. Life could not get more perfect. LOVE IS ALL..!!

3+. MagicDMA: This is purely GoodDMA taken in the right setting with the right company. I've personally given up on a magic experience because all my rolls these days are taken alone.

But I am still capable of recognising the good stuff...
 
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@F.U.B.A.R. Interesting that you break magic off into a category separate from good, based on set/setting. If I could find good, I would be pretty damn thankful. Once I notice how good the air feels, I know I am set.
 
Le Junk said:

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Let me first give you a little background. I'm 51 years old and started doing ecstasy the last year it was legal in 1985. Needless to say the legal ecstasy from the so called "Dallas Group" was nothing short of spectacular. In 1988 I made a connection with someone from the San Francisco area who was in the production field of making MDMA. I have maintained that friendship and connection ever since with only small periods of downtime. The MDMA I get from him is an extremely fine bleach white crystalline powder that is fluffy and lays just like snow. The high from this MDMA takes about 10-15 minutes to take effect and the high is always the same. An extremely smooth come up followed by excessive love and empathy. You will literally melt into the person you're with and sex is out of this world. Touch and feel is heavenly. All you want to do is touch and feel on the person youre with and tell them how beautiful they are and how much you love them etc. There are massive eye wiggles and conversation flows like new born buddas. The come down is just as smooth as the come up. It drops you off just like a feather and sleep comes like a baby. The next day is nothing short of spectacular. You wake up feeling anti-depressed and chatty. You'll want to talk on the phone, visit friends or just drive around and enjoy the day with the top down. It's all I've ever known as an MDMA experience.

Now that brings me to modern day MDMA. There was a period back in the early 2000's when my connection was down and I scored pills from a local guy. They were great and with some very small exceptions, nearly as good as my crystalline powder. But once again I've been forced to score something locally and the stuff is just plain crap. And I mean crap. I've done both the orange Tesla's and the red Supremes. Absolutely awful, but from reading the trip reports on Pillreports, you would have thought they were the best ever. They're actually anything but. I had both of these pills tested on ecstasydata and both came back as pure MDMA.

Both of them took about 30-40 minutes to kick in and when they did, there was a slight feeling of euphoria and empathy that quickly faded and from there on out it was just a fucked up buzz. There were eye wiggles, but I wasn't feeling good when they were happening. I became extremely tired and kind of gacked out. The high from these pills seemed to last forever, maybe just because they sucked so much. I felt like a crackhead on the comedown and the next day felt like a bad MDA hangover. There was no next day afterglow at all. Just a different kind of fucked up than the night before. And that lasted the entire next day. There is a HUGE giveaway that youre doing todays crappy MDMA. Your pupils will not dialate all the way to the very edge like old school ecstasy. With old school ecstasy your pupils consume literally all of the color in your eye with only a microscopic sliver of color left around the outer edge. With modern day ecstasy your pupils will only dialate to slightly beyond normal if at all. Thats a big giveaway youre doing new school MDMA junk.

Before you jump to the assumption that this Le Junk guy is just old, hes done way to much ecstasy over the course of his lifetime and this is just a matter of tolerance, please re-read my post stating that I still have access to old school MDMA that Ive had since the 1980s. So in one hand I have modern day lab tested MDMA crap and in the other hand, old school MDMA heaven. So tolerance is out the window. Moving forward...

My question is this. Is this the best there is out there today? And since both pills tested on ecstasydata as pure MDMA, what is wrong with MDMA production nowdays? Does anyone else feel what I'm talking about here? My setting is pretty much always the same so that's not it. I always hear people talk about the setting as if that's an issue. With the crystalline powder, it doesn't matter where I am, it's always great. But with these Supremes and Teslas, it's just a sub-par, little euphoria, no real love or empathy, fucked up kinda buzz. Let me put it this way, if this was all that was available to me, I'd quit taking MDMA altogether. Terrible!
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Well, I really couldn't tell you. I grew up in the age of just about everything being experimented with, including shrooms, ludes and LSD. But I have never been able to get my hands on Molly. My Dr. even wrote me a step by step guide, on how to order it online with bitcoins. Of course, it went missing. I have seen the Europeans on TV and movies, dancing and kissing while being on it. But I am more interested in the help it's supposed to provide for PTSD. That's what my Dr. told me was the best thing I could do. He's kind of out there, he's from Canada and he's really into hallucinatory treatment for mental issues. Unfortunately, he's taken off on a trip somewhere to parts unknown. So, I just want to try any of it, old or new. Antidepressants do not help at all, and I'm not interested in ketamine. I guess I will just have to wait until the government decides to go back to alternative treatments. It seems so easy for other people to get ahold of it. But not me.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Having got back into the saddle, I have had numerous batches since then and can only pick out two which were outstanding
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What times did you discover the good batches in relation to other rolls? How many times (and with what frequency) did you use each batch?
 
BlueCrystal said:
Well, I really couldn't tell you. I grew up in the age of just about everything being experimented with, including shrooms, ludes and LSD. But I have never been able to get my hands on Molly. My Dr. even wrote me a step by step guide, on how to order it online with bitcoins. Of course, it went missing. I have seen the Europeans on TV and movies, dancing and kissing while being on it. But I am more interested in the help it's supposed to provide for PTSD. That's what my Dr. told me was the best thing I could do. He's kind of out there, he's from Canada and he's really into hallucinatory treatment for mental issues. Unfortunately, he's taken off on a trip somewhere to parts unknown. So, I just want to try any of it, old or new. Antidepressants do not help at all, and I'm not interested in ketamine. I guess I will just have to wait until the government decides to go back to alternative treatments. It seems so easy for other people to get ahold of it. But not me.
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I never post on the net but made an account here to give my story:

Started raving it in '98, magical times indeed in the Bay Area. When I started taking e pills, it was with acid until I stopped combining both together so I could actually talk to people and develop dance skills. I always only had to take 1 pill, Mitsubishi's, Dolphins, Clovers, Euro Dollars, Apples, etc. I was rolling a ton, about every weekend until I started double dropping a year later, so I was hitting it hard for a couple of years until I started sober raving. I never lost the magic, though.

I was getting older and stopped raving in 2001 and lost any connects i had. In 2003 I bought 10 pills from a friend of a friend. He had 2 options and since I didn't know which ones would be better, I got 5 of each. 5 of one kind sucked, were uppers but not meth, and didn't give me the magic feeling at all. The other 5 were good, classic magic that I was used to, but low dosed.

I took another break for a couple of years and found someone who was selling 1 pill and I took it and it was great and lasted about 3 hours. I wasn't super rolling balls but would've if I double dropped.

Another break ensued until 2009 when I was living in LA County and luckily met someone selling who became a really good friend. We had a nice line on the famous Pokeballs, (Telephones, Dragonflies, etc.), and they were very good compared to the previous 2 times. I remember saying that I didn't think I could've felt like that anymore. The body high was awesome and what you'd expect from magic, but the empathy wasn't there. I took a ton of those over that year and never lost the great body high but what was in the back of my mind was that they weren't lovey at all. When I took the super magic in the 90's it was massages, cuddle puddles and making out with tons of people, it was what I loved about e. On Pokeballs, it was everything magic, except the love, which is what I'm trying to convey. I was just happy that I could feel that good again, so I chalked it up to thinking that I was loved up because I was at raves with new people, but I knew that something was missing.

Fast forward to a few months ago, i came across 2 Check Point (CP) Pink Supremes. My previous break was a little over 10 years but I've kept informed on the market, checking pillreports, finding this thread years ago and the reddit sub. I had been reading that there was a different process with the PMK Glycidate precursor after the trees were burned down and that a good amount of people who remember the magic, weren't ecstatic with the supply. I was stoked though, because I was reading that Check Point was legit and that people loved the Supremes, (pink, with gold glitter and sourced a couple of years ago so possibly the original batch), so I bought 2 was was literally ready to roll.

I read that Supremes were high doses, probably 225'ish mgs, and was informed to talk a half of 1. I ate the half and waited an hour and started coming up. 1 hour after my dose I wasn't rolling at all, just kinda almost feeling good, but I wanted to feel real good so I popped the other half. Another hour later and I wasn't feeling like I thought I should've, so I said fuck it and took another whole. So 2 pills down and I started getting eye wiggles, got hot and just felt amped. No rushy rush, no love but like I was on meth or other amphetamines, just up with eye wiggles and regular pupils.

I was able to get some sleep 5 hours after I took the second pill and didn't have any hangover the next day, but I did have an afterglow that almost remined me of the day after I'd take a Pokeball. Out of 10, I'd give those pills a 2 and it wasn't even 2/5ths of what I thought it'd be.

So in conclusion, I took a 10 year break and the supposedly good presses I took were extremely underwhelming. No love, no awesome body high, just like I was going up the rollercoaster and then somewhat speedy with eye wiggles. I didn't feel speedy in the sense of wanting to clean my house, I just wanted to stay in bed and mess with my laptop. I know they weren't cut with speed because I've done speed and it was nothing like it, although i would've rather taken speed.

I thought I'd have a great time but was disappointed. The person who got them said they were good, so only take a half, but I didn't ask her what her previous rolling experience was. I will do that and report back.

In all my breaks, I've only dabbled in opiates (oxy and sub), but have been totally clean since 2012 except for kratom. No uppers, no SSRI's.

I see the reports on reddit of these kids getting blasted and having a good time, but I don't know if they have a point of reference for magic. It could be me, but I took a 3 or so year break and I was feeling the "pretty much" magic of the Pokeball's when I was eating the hell out of them, just not the love. I want to believe that the magic is still out there. The only thing that changed for me was the route of synthesis and the precursor.

If anyone has any questions for me, let me know
 
HerpDerpMcDerp said:
The only thing that changed for me was the route of synthesis and the precursor.
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I don't want to sound like I'm ragging on the older people in the thread, but yes something else changed, your body over the course of 10 years (and nearly 20 years since you had the super magic experiences). I imagine the set and settings of your experiences have also changed during those time periods. I do not think it is a coincidence that many in this thread started rolling ~20 years ago, and that they also seem to get the least positive effects from mehDMA (if any) while having the lowest success rates for finding anything they consider magic.

Anyway, I can't believe I wasted my time hunting Reddit experience reports out of the dross when the true repository has been here all along: https://erowid.org/experiences/exp....A_RA&NewSort=PDD&Start=0&ShowViews=0&Cellar=0
This is the Erowid experience vault for first time MDMA experiences, sorted to show the most recent. I encourage everyone to pick a dozen from the past two years and give them a read before deciding that most of the MDMA in the world has turned to shit and that kids these days couldn't possibly understand what real magic felt like.

Edit: I didn't realize how far behind Erowid was on publishing reports, many of those were written years ago but only very recently published. You can work around this using Google, with the string:
site:Erowid.org "Exp Year: 2019" "MDMA (3)" "First Times"
Replace 2019 with whatever year you want to see reports from. There aren't that many from recent years but there are certainly some glowing ones.
 
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