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user666 said:
What was the time frame on these color changes ?


...and this one ?
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When I say “later” I’m talking about 60-120 seconds I believe but I can repeat that to see. There’s the initial reaction which then slowly fades to this reddish coloration.

With the meh there was zero reddish at any point later on, it stayed as is.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
When I say “later” I’m talking about 60-120 seconds I believe but I can repeat that to see. There’s the initial reaction which then slowly fades to this reddish coloration.
With the meh there was zero reddish at any point later on, it stayed as is.
-GC
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Any chance you could take videos for us to reference?
 
indigoaura said:
@G_Chem I asked my partner, who used to chew the pills and let them sit under his tongue, what he recalled about the taste. He described it as bitter/sour as he recalls. I usually swallowed mine pretty quick, but I recall a bitter taste as well.
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Yes indeed, bitter is the word. Certainly not very pleasant. I first discovered such a taste in 1996, we did it for a faster come up, and it did seem to be gentler on the digestive tract too.

But also, it really was a reliable indication of a good, quality pill. I just quickly grew to know the very distinctive taste of those amazing MDMA pills, no mistaking it.

Not nice at all. But it WAS nice to know you had just taken a truly banging MDMA pill haha.
 
ThreePointCircle said:
Got MDA a couple of times off DMs. Always meh. Just with more visuals.
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This is interesting to me and stirs some thought. One is it is at least reassurring that it sounds it may have been (modern) MDA at least, which is more visual and psychedellic.

But then it is also Meh! I have unconscious thought paths formong in my mind, bit not clever enough to follow them haha.

I just feel this experience may be poignant somehow.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
There's only one thing worse than no drugs - and that's bad drugs...
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Please tell me that’s a picture of you FUB’s I’ve always wondered what your crazy self looked like ;)


Also I have to agree FUBAR with your taste assessment. So when I tried Sample 1 I noticed the bitterness was kinda more acrid, something almost more “synthetic/chemically” about it compared to other presses and shards. It was also significantly less bitter overall than I was assuming based on the supposed mg content.


As to 3Point, I unfortunately probably can’t get a video but I may redo the experiment with all samples side by side and a timer. Maybe pictures but I’m not confident with my abilities to not like leave my home address on the pic data or whatever lol.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
Please tell me that’s a picture of you FUB’s I’ve always wondered what your crazy self looked like ;)


Also I have to agree FUBAR with your taste assessment. So when I tried Sample 1 I noticed the bitterness was kinda more acrid, something almost more “synthetic/chemically” about it compared to other presses and shards. It was also significantly less bitter overall than I was assuming based on the supposed mg content.


As to 3Point, I unfortunately probably can’t get a video but I may redo the experiment with all samples side by side and a timer. Maybe pictures but I’m not confident with my abilities to not like leave my home address on the pic data or whatever lol.

-GC
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Nah, that's not me man - that is the person I aspire to be... :D

Anyway, regarding my activities later:

To meh, or not to meh, that is the question...
 
I can’t believe this thread is 4yrs old...

So guys now that I’ve found this little possible Reagent trick, I’m gonna test as much MDMA I see over the next year or so (it’ll get easier once Covid is over) and see if the theory holds true.

I’ll try to get a pic up of a side by side of the two puddles for comparison.

-GC
 
OK, I can't wait to try this. I will mix up my own Liebermann reagent on Monday at work but I don't have any Molybdate salts for the Froehde reagent. I'd have to order one.

Anyway, since we are on the fringe with these reagents, @G_Chem could you find out if your Froehde was made with the sodium molybdate or ammonium molybdate because there are several different recipies out there for this reagent and all are called "Froehde".
 
user666 said:
OK, I can't wait to try this. I will mix up my own Liebermann reagent on Monday at work but I don't have any Molybdate salts for the Froehde reagent. I'd have to order one.

Anyway, since we are on the fringe with these reagents, @G_Chem could you find out if your Froehde was made with the sodium molybdate or ammonium molybdate because there are several different recipies out there for this reagent and all are called "Froehde".
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I’ll look a bit, it’s a Bunk Police Froehde kit. Thanks for giving this a go :)

-GC
 
I did not even think about the various companies providing slightly different reagents. I ordered from Dancesafe because they were a bit cheaper, but I really do need to get the exact same one as G_Chem.
 
G_Chem said:
Maybe pictures but I’m not confident with my abilities to not like leave my home address on the pic data or whatever lol.
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It is easy to get rid of any metadata in the photos, like this:
1) Open them in MS Windows Paint
2) Save them in "24-bit Bitmap (*.bmp; *.dib)" format because this format does not support any metadata except color profiles and MS-Paint does not save color profiles anyway.
3) Close all files and exit MS-Paint.
4) Reopen the *.bmp files and save them in any other modern format that is small enough for posting.
 
I have found that it is difficult to capture the colors accurately when trying to film the reactions. Very hard to show the subtle differences.
 
indigoaura said:
I have found that it is difficult to capture the colors accurately when trying to film the reactions. Very hard to show the subtle differences.
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Yes, it can be a problem but if you leave a white or gray sheet of paper somewhere in the photo frame and take the photo in unchanging artificial light ( not in a variable sunlight ! ) then it is possible to do white balance and color correction at the recipient's side very accurately.
One gotcha, that white piece of paper should not have any fluorescent whitening agents added to it (like inkjet papers often do) because such papers make their own blue light. See:

 
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Goddamnit, well just did a side by side with the Liebermann hoping to replicate my results and have a better idea on the color changes. And they all turned a maroon over time this time.... Fuck me im sorry guys. To varying extents I suppose and at varying times but not different enough to be positive.

I’m at a loss truly, my only guess is maybe I didn’t wait long enough last time and the magic turned quicker. This time I moved the puddles around which seemed to then show maroon in them all to varying extents.

Again my apologies, what baffles me is that this change in color happened only with the meh first time around. I can’t believe they didn’t turn reddish at all first run, I remember even waiting them out and moving them around too. I’m gonna repeat these experiments with timers going, crushed weighed samples and see what I get.

I did take a quarter tab of LSD too, not much but maybe my minds messingvwith the puddles. Figured I’d mention it regardless.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
Goddamnit, well just did a side by side with the Liebermann hoping to replicate my results and have a better idea on the color changes. And they all turned a maroon over time this time.... Fuck me im sorry guys. To varying extents I suppose and at varying times but not different enough to be positive.

I’m at a loss truly, my only guess is maybe I didn’t wait long enough last time and the magic turned quicker. This time I moved the puddles around which seemed to then show maroon in them all to varying extents.

Again my apologies, what baffles me is that this change in color happened only with the meh first time around. I can’t believe they didn’t turn reddish at all first run, I remember even waiting them out and moving them around too. I’m gonna repeat these experiments with timers going, crushed weighed samples and see what I get.

I did take a quarter tab of LSD too, not much but maybe my minds messingvwith the puddles. Figured I’d mention it regardless.

-GC
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1/4 tab, assuming 25ug or above, can be surprisingly effective and impactful. Cerrainly less can be more in some ways and situations.

And more is more in others lol.
 
indigoaura said:
I did not even think about the various companies providing slightly different reagents. I ordered from Dancesafe because they were a bit cheaper, but I really do need to get the exact same one as G_Chem.
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I ordered from Dancesafe too. Later found Elevation Chemicals, which seem a lot cheaper. Haven't ordered from them yet, and don't know anything else about them, except the website says they support MAPS and ship out "freshly made reagents."

The Ultimate Test Kit Package: Marquis Mandelin Mecke Simon’s Robadope Ehrlich Liebermann and Froehde Reagent Testing Kit | Elevation Chemicals

elevationchemicals.com elevationchemicals.com
 
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