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So my friend sent me a pic of quite big clear crystals looked like meth or very impure stuff he said it was mdma and was going to try it out i was quite skeptical cause i never seen shit like that but it crushed up into a nice fine white line of powder and he said half a point had him flying and it was good.

Crystal size was probably 5 grams clear rounded edges like a block pretty much see through. His reagent test had it go very dark blue then black on mandelin.

Waiting for my main contact to get running again after lockdown so i get can get big brownish rocks of mdma to test i could also buy cola mdma and see if that is acutally shit since i always avoided it cause fuck knows why its black always thought it must have toxic byproducts left over.
 
I tried very dark nearly black MDMA one time. The only reason I did is because despite the intense color the crystal formation was spot on beautiful.

It definitely felt a bit different, a little edgier but probably on a level most average users wouldn’t perceive. If I remember correctly I decided to redose with some much purer crystal on the booster, cuz I wasn’t jumping with joy from the results I presume.

-GC
 
@G_Chem I asked my partner, who used to chew the pills and let them sit under his tongue, what he recalled about the taste. He described it as bitter/sour as he recalls. I usually swallowed mine pretty quick, but I recall a bitter taste as well.
 
user666 said:
If that catalyst to reagent ratio indeed is 1:166 and the catalyst cannot be recovered economically, then I will have to agree that it is not a great option on a large scale.

I would like someone who has experience with this reaction to confirm this.
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It can be recovered by letting it settle
or filtering through celite but I reckon it will take about a week between batches spent redoing the catalyst which slows shit down a lot.
 
user666 said:
What if they use a finely woven mesh/screen of platinum and recirculate ingredients through it ?
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Possible but it's a major engineering fete and it's just further complicating
things which are done simpler for cheaper with other methods.
 
So I can get my hands on some pretty strong MDA only pressies here in the US. Legit, old school etc etc. Has there been any meh MDA? Or people don't make it as much.........?
 
G_Chem said:
It must not be too difficult because the most recent data shows PT hydrogenation as the most commonly used reduction when looking at MDMA analyzed in Aus a few years back.

Palladium catalyst is very easy to recover I’m gonna assume platinum isn’t much different in recovery.



So guys I might have an interesting clue... A sample of expected “2cb” was analyzed that was purchased in Mexico. It contained no 2cb but one of the ingredients was MDMA as well as 5x the amount of that MDMA of n-acetyl-mdma.

This impurity has never been picked up by EData but has been an impurity that’s been around for awhile based on some literature I’ve found. I’ll continue to dig to see what I find.

I’m shocked at the fact there is 5x the amount, that means that MDMA before being put into this mixed product was essentially mostly n-acetyl-mdma. I wanna know what synthesis route this originated from.

I do know GAA is used in the PT hydrogenation, would this maybe be the cause of our impurity. I wonder if this may be potentially our culprit impurity.

-GC
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Gaa would only cause mdma acetate not lead to the n acetyl compound.
N acetyl mdma is similar to
n formyl mdma which is the
leuckart intermediate before reduction
N acetyl mdma would be from using
methyl acetamide instead of methylformamide in a
leuckart style rxn.this has been discussed on the hive several times and dismissed as it wont work. There is another method for making amphetamine that
uses acetonitrile and allylbenzene that leads to n acetyl amphetamine as an intermediate but it doesn't work for making MDA from safrole due to some factor about electronegativity or something so it's not the cause of meh at all.or mdma can be refluxed with acetic anhydride to form n acetyl mdma.
 
user666 said:
GAA = Glacial Acetic Acid ?
If "yes", what is its function ?

P.S.
I remember that some old recipe for Meth used acetic acid to make phenylacetone (P2P). Could PMK be made in a similar manner?
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Gaa is glacial acetic acid.
Its basically a solvent in the platinum hydrogenation.
The gaa meth synth is the tube
furnace method used in breaking bad.no it can't be used for mdma as
the 450'c temp of the tube furnace
is high enough to fuck the mdp2p
that is temperature sensitive and must be distilled under vacuum.
 
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TripSitterNZ said:
Theres a new drug in south american made by colobiam cartels called TUSSY its a pink crystal or powder suppose to be 2CB but the effects are pretty strange its like cocaine at a low dose ketamine at high dose and inbetween something else. So these south americans are cooking up all sorts of weird shit to take with wild mixes.
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Apparently 2cb is the new club drug in Columbia.
 
mrsmokeweed said:
So I can get my hands on some pretty strong MDA only pressies here in the US. Legit, old school etc etc. Has there been any meh MDA? Or people don't make it as much.........?
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MDA is far less common.its really only
made on a small scale usually domestically.its not made in large enough amounts to ship around the world so it tends to stay close to where it's made.
 
Alright I finished the Reagent experiments, this is what I found.

A = Mecke
B= Marquis
C= Mandelin
D= Simons
E= Froedhe
F= Liebermann

Sample 1
Likely Meh
Yellow G6 Piggy Bank, SoCal Import

A= Green to Dark Blue
B= Dark Purple
C= Green to Black
D= Royal Blue
E= Very quick to Dark black, hint of purple? (Later purple)
F= Brownish/Blackish


Sample 2
Magic, Pure Love
Mixed Magic Crystal, 2 magic samples together

A= Turquoise to Dark Blue then Black
B= Brownish Purple to Black
C= Dark Purple/brown? To quickly Dark black
D= Puddle goes completely blue instantly
E= Quick flask of green to brownish black (no/little purple)
F= Violent, straight to black (later reddish/purplish hue)


Sample 3
Meh? Seemed ok but very short acting based on others experiences
Tan/Brown Sand/Crystals

A= Green/turquoise to Dark Blue/black
B= Reddish/purplish to Black quick
C= Flash of green? To black
D= Swirls of Dark royal blue (not whole puddle)
E= Flash of green/yellow? To purple/black
F= Violent, straight to black


Sample 4
Magic
Clear Sandy Crystal

A= Green/turquoise to nearly black (slight purplish hint)
B= Reddish Purple to Dark Purple/almost black
C= Maybe slight green but quick to Dark/black
D= Quick to Dark royal blue (much of the puddle)
E= Flash of green/yellow? To black (no purple)
F= Violent, straight to black (reddish later)


Sample 5
Likely Meh, felt lacking and short acting
Blocky clear crystal that looks different to the others

A= Turquoise/green to nearly black
B= reddish/brownish/purplish to nearly black
C= Straight to Black
D= Deep rich blue swirls (much of the puddle)
E= Flash of green to black
F= Flash of Purple, Violently to brown/black


Sample 6
Unknown but probably magic based on Crystal formation and others experiences
Grayish crystal with mostly sand but 1 very well defined shard (biggest true crystal I’ve ever seen)

A= Turquoise/green to Dark Blue/black
B= Reddish/brownish/purplish to Purple/blacj
C= Straight to blaxk
D= Deep rich blue (much of puddle)
E= Green to Reddish/purplish to black
F= Yellow/green to Dark brownish/reddish/black (later reddish)


Sample 7
Magic
Old very clean/clear crystal

A= Green to Dark Blue/black (slight purple?)
B= Straight to Black, slight purple
C= Straight to black
D= Deep rich blue
E= Green/yellow to black
F= Straight to Black (later red/brown)


Sample 8
Opaque/white chunk
Magic

A= Turquoise/green to Dark Blue/black
B= Straight to Black, slight purple
C= Quick green to black
D= Rich Blue
E= Green/yellow to black
F=Violent to black (later reddish/maroon/brown)


Conclusion:

The one thing that seems to stand out is the Liebermann, with suspected meh it will remain black, with good magic it will later turn reddish brownish, with some of the best turning a reddish/purplish/maroon.

The Froedhe also stayed black with magic but went purple later on 2 of the 3 suspected meh samples.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
Alright I finished the Reagent experiments, this is what I found.

A = Mecke
B= Marquis
C= Mandelin
D= Simons
E= Froedhe
F= Liebermann

Sample 1
Likely Meh
Yellow G6 Piggy Bank, SoCal Import

A= Green to Dark Blue
B= Dark Purple
C= Green to Black
D= Royal Blue
E= Very quick to Dark black, hint of purple? (Later purple)
F= Brownish/Blackish


Sample 2
Magic, Pure Love
Mixed Magic Crystal, 2 magic samples together

A= Turquoise to Dark Blue then Black
B= Brownish Purple to Black
C= Dark Purple/brown? To quickly Dark black
D= Puddle goes completely blue instantly
E= Quick flask of green to brownish black (no/little purple)
F= Violent, straight to black (later reddish/purplish hue)


Sample 3
Meh? Seemed ok but very short acting based on others experiences
Tan/Brown Sand/Crystals

A= Green/turquoise to Dark Blue/black
B= Reddish/purplish to Black quick
C= Flash of green? To black
D= Swirls of Dark royal blue (not whole puddle)
E= Flash of green/yellow? To purple/black
F= Violent, straight to black


Sample 4
Magic
Clear Sandy Crystal

A= Green/turquoise to nearly black (slight purplish hint)
B= Reddish Purple to Dark Purple/almost black
C= Maybe slight green but quick to Dark/black
D= Quick to Dark royal blue (much of the puddle)
E= Flash of green/yellow? To black (no purple)
F= Violent, straight to black (reddish later)


Sample 5
Likely Meh, felt lacking and short acting
Blocky clear crystal that looks different to the others

A= Turquoise/green to nearly black
B= reddish/brownish/purplish to nearly black
C= Straight to Black
D= Deep rich blue swirls (much of the puddle)
E= Flash of green to black
F= Flash of Purple, Violently to brown/black


Sample 6
Unknown but probably magic based on Crystal formation and others experiences
Grayish crystal with mostly sand but 1 very well defined shard (biggest true crystal I’ve ever seen)

A= Turquoise/green to Dark Blue/black
B= Reddish/brownish/purplish to Purple/blacj
C= Straight to blaxk
D= Deep rich blue (much of puddle)
E= Green to Reddish/purplish to black
F= Yellow/green to Dark brownish/reddish/black (later reddish)


Sample 7
Magic
Old very clean/clear crystal

A= Green to Dark Blue/black (slight purple?)
B= Straight to Black, slight purple
C= Straight to black
D= Deep rich blue
E= Green/yellow to black
F= Straight to Black (later red/brown)


Sample 8
Opaque/white chunk
Magic

A= Turquoise/green to Dark Blue/black
B= Straight to Black, slight purple
C= Quick green to black
D= Rich Blue
E= Green/yellow to black
F=Violent to black (later reddish/maroon/brown)


Conclusion:

The one thing that seems to stand out is the Liebermann, with suspected meh it will remain black, with good magic it will later turn reddish brownish, with some of the best turning a reddish/purplish/maroon.

The Froedhe also stayed black with magic but went purple later on 2 of the 3 suspected meh samples.

-GC
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Lieberman isn't a very common reagent outside of a lab but it
looks very easy to mix up a batch
from stuff you can get off ebay
 
G_Chem said:
The one thing that seems to stand out is the Liebermann, with suspected meh it will remain black, with good magic it will later turn reddish brownish, with some of the best turning a reddish/purplish/maroon.
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What was the time frame on these color changes ?

G_Chem said:
The Froedhe also stayed black with magic but went purple later on 2 of the 3 suspected meh samples.
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...and this one ?
 
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