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Buzz Lightbeer said:
How did your trial of microdosing memantine go @Pfafffed ?
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It sucked for the first ten days (which is normal and expected.) When it finally started working, I felt quite a bit of joy, enthusiasm, joie de vivre. That lasted for 4-8hrs after the morning dose kicked in. Sleep was hard to manage, but that's hard to judge when quarantine just started. Doubled the dose after several days as you're supposed to, and it sucked again, but a lot less and for a lot less time. Benefits were less pronounced after a while, though. Eventually, I determined that the lack of mental clarity, very slight cognitive deficits, sleep disruption, and general medication management weren't worth the significantly diminishing returns that I was getting from it. I think I made it to where I had acclimated to 15mg in one dose in the morning before I decided to give up on it. Again, it's a hard time to evaluate something like this, but overall the days I found there to be a significant improvement weren't nearly as many as the days where I had to bear with mildly unpleasant cognitive side-effects. Also, it had no impact at all on my tolerance to any class of drugs, which was disappointing. I used to be quite sensitive to most drugs other than caffeine (and to a extent alcohol.) This is neither here nor there, but my effective dose for most drugs has gone through the roof for some reason. I don't really think it's tolerance (with the exception of caffeine and alcohol,) so I can't fault memantine for not helping, but it didn't impact alcohol or caffeine either. It was a strong drug, though, and I'm not sad that I gave it a go--it's not like a lot of bullshit nootropics that I've tested out on myself over the years. I could easily see how it could help some people; I just wan't one of them. My only regret is that I've likely gone from having zero dissociative tolerance at all to probably having some serious permatolerance, but that's not a class of drugs that I care much about anyway. I decided it was worth the sacrifice in case memantine ended up being beneficial.
 
Xorkoth said:
Yeah I often wish for sobriety from hard drugs myself. I have never wanted 100% sobriety from psychedelics but everything else... I go back and forth about. Sometimes it feels like a trap, and other times it feels like I can control them.
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That's my problem with alcohol. At times I feel disgusted with it but at other times I feel like it's superbly under control because it isn't causing me any acute health problems, financial problems, relationship problems, criminal issues, etc.

I feel like it may be a trap.
 
alcohol is the worst but I still drink? i think I'm an alcoholic

I've blacked out like 3 or 4 times during last 24 hours? gonna buy more beer when it is 9am
 
xammy said:
alcohol is the worst but I still drink? i think I'm an alcoholic

I've blacked out like 3 or 4 times during last 24 hours? gonna buy more beer when it is 9am
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See, I'm all about drinking at 9am or whatever time, even if it's still from the night before (especially if it's from the night before, actually haha), but I don't know about this blacking out business.

Be easy. There's a very thin line between problem drinking and PROBLEM drinking, if you know what I mean. Take care of yourself.
 
Guys I just fucked up. So I decided I wasn't going to dose 1,4-butanediol today, so I drank 2 shots. But then I decided I was going to dose it, so I did. But it's metabolized by alcohol dehydrogenase. So I kept not feeling it. So I redosed. And redosed. And redosed. And next thing I know, I'm being loaded into an ambulance. I was confused as fuck and my girlfriend was crying next to me. I could only remember my first name, nothing else. In the ER, I could remember where I lived but not much else. In the ambulance they shot me up with narcan, I don't remember that. She didn't know what I took and I guess my pupils were pinned so they assumed opiates. I don't honestly feel any effects from the narcan, I guess since I'm not on opiates? Anyway, I was so confused, didn't remember at all what happened until I called my poor sweet girlfriend and she had called all my friends and one of them somehow deduced it was GHB even though I hadn't even told him I had been doing it... she asked me if it was GHB and then it clicked... oh yeah fuck, that was it. I apologized and she said to please not feel bad right now... what a saint she is.

Anyway, I spent some time there, before she reminded me of GHB I kept saying I had no idea whatt happened so they gave me a CT scan. After that I just told them I was fine, and my friend came to pick me up. I feel actually really great now which is kind of a head fuck, 3 of my friends and my girlfriend are all like, dude, we're glad you're alive. And I'm like... eh I would have woken up. But she did the right thing for sure. Better safe than sorry,

Anyway I feel really bad. But she's being cool about it. I don't know how I got such a sweet girlfriend. This is the first time I've woken up in an emergency room. Good fucking thing I have insurance or I'd be fucked right now. I gotta dump this 1,4-b, otherwise I'll be using it behind her back when I technically ODd on it and scared her shitless. I'm probably gonna have some withdrawals. But this is a wakeup call. Even though I wouldn't have taken so much if I would have been thinking clearly, but I was kinda withdrawing from it so I put caution to the wind even though I did realize about the alcohol dehydrogenase thing.

I'm an idiot. It's kinda fucking my head that I feel amazing right now, I feel like I should feel like shit.
 
Fucking hell....glad you're alright.

Also, don't feel bad about feeling amazing at the moment....feeling amazing is a lot more conducive to making positive change than feeling like shit is.
 
Yeah me too. Never in all my opiate days did I ever wake up in an ambulance. I feel like a rat bastard, yet I also feel really good (right now). It's weird.
 
Woah man, that's scary ! So your theory is that the shots you took prevented the alcohol dehydrogenase to metabolize the 1,2-BDO, and then it got metabolized all at once and it hit you in black-out dosages?
Scary shit man, people die from combining GHB and alcohol. I'm glad you are ok !!
 
Yep, that's clearly what happened as the doses I took should had me Gd out but I kept taking more as I didn't feel it (at first). Lesson learned... a hard lesson.
 
Yeah me too, I mean I just woke up, it's not like they did anything to help me. Gave me narcan, which didn't matter since it wasn't an opiate. She did the right thing though since she didn't know what it was and I was unresponsive. She said I was snoring really loud but I just wouldn't wake up even when she slapped me and yelled in my face for 15 minutes and my pupils were pinpricks. Which is probably why they gave me narcan.
 
Now she's making me pancakes... I tell you guys, I have a good woman. ❤ We talked a lot about how fucked up it was, laughed a little about how I responded to the cop and ambulancepeople, which I remember, sort of. Pisses me off they wouldn't let her come, they said we aren't married so she wasn't allowed. Bullshit, she's my partner, we've been together almost 6 years. At least she slipped my phone in my pocket so I could call her, which I did as soon as I had enough presence of mind to do so.

Damn if I didn't have insurance I'd be stressing so hard now... fucking 'Murica
 
Might eat one and a half tabs of 150 ug in a hour so probably land me around 220 ug since its been 5 days tolerance will be strong see how that goes hit a redose at 2 hours then force myself to stop eating lsd for a few months though i have nothing else to do before this storm blows over. Getting lost in the ether i have been addicted to the LSD reality for a long time going up so high then coming back down to base line just feels dull. I can see why ram dass stopped eventually and just went the guru path leary had 300 trips within 6 years at that rate of so much each week or two without a break im surprised he was able to string sentences in public.

Though all the tolerance helps to dive deep since the experience is more controllable it helps i try avoid high doses with zero tolerance since i just go along and put myself in those deep rabbit holes on purpose just for the mind melt of it all and escapism.
 
What the fuck Xorkoth! LOL

How much would that er visit cost if you didnt have insurance?

I remember one black out drunk with benzos when my friend went to hospital with ambulance, it cost like 10€ for the ride

Good that nothing happened.. but scary shit
 
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Xorkoth said:
Guys I just fucked up. So I decided I wasn't going to dose 1,4-butanediol today, so I drank 2 shots. But then I decided I was going to dose it, so I did. But it's metabolized by alcohol dehydrogenase. So I kept not feeling it. So I redosed. And redosed. And redosed. And next thing I know, I'm being loaded into an ambulance. I was confused as fuck and my girlfriend was crying next to me. I could only remember my first name, nothing else. In the ER, I could remember where I lived but not much else. In the ambulance they shot me up with narcan, I don't remember that. She didn't know what I took and I guess my pupils were pinned so they assumed opiates. I don't honestly feel any effects from the narcan, I guess since I'm not on opiates? Anyway, I was so confused, didn't remember at all what happened until I called my poor sweet girlfriend and she had called all my friends and one of them somehow deduced it was GHB even though I hadn't even told him I had been doing it... she asked me if it was GHB and then it clicked... oh yeah fuck, that was it. I apologized and she said to please not feel bad right now... what a saint she is.

Anyway, I spent some time there, before she reminded me of GHB I kept saying I had no idea whatt happened so they gave me a CT scan. After that I just told them I was fine, and my friend came to pick me up. I feel actually really great now which is kind of a head fuck, 3 of my friends and my girlfriend are all like, dude, we're glad you're alive. And I'm like... eh I would have woken up. But she did the right thing for sure. Better safe than sorry,

Anyway I feel really bad. But she's being cool about it. I don't know how I got such a sweet girlfriend. This is the first time I've woken up in an emergency room. Good fucking thing I have insurance or I'd be fucked right now. I gotta dump this 1,4-b, otherwise I'll be using it behind her back when I technically ODd on it and scared her shitless. I'm probably gonna have some withdrawals. But this is a wakeup call. Even though I wouldn't have taken so much if I would have been thinking clearly, but I was kinda withdrawing from it so I put caution to the wind even though I did realize about the alcohol dehydrogenase thing.

I'm an idiot. It's kinda fucking my head that I feel amazing right now, I feel like I should feel like shit.
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Wait, I don't understand. Can someone explain, you drank 2 shots of liquor, then dosed BDO but for some reason that isn't metabolized well when there's already alcohol in your body?
The ''ehh, I would've woken up" cracked up me up though

Edit: ah okay this was cleared up in the following posts, good to hear you're still alive =D
 
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You too take care of yourself Xorkoth. I have to say reading posts here I get a sense of what not to do. So at least with all the situations some you are in when you share it I am sure it helps others. I admit when it comes to gaba drugs I do my gabapenin once a week at 2400-3000 mgs and have a good night. I use to like phenibut, although I have to get more and get a fresher batch as right now I like gabapentin much more. I am not doing heavy opiates these dayse besides my kratom routine which I feel saved my life some years back. Gabapentin completely elimates any withdrawal from kratom so that and weed and I can function and go a day or two without. I tried gabapentin and phenibut last Friday for the first time (hey I too feel like getting fucked up at times so I totally understand lol :)) They did not mix well (for me) and the phenibut seemed to counter act any good feelings from the gabapentin. In fact I felt not good. So never mixing them again. Gabapentin eliminates withdrawal way more than phenibut so they are different drugs in a sense.

Ah the sweet women we have in our life. How do they put up with us? lol I think I would feel great too coming out of a hospital alive after being cared for by other humans and your girlfriend. You got nurtured by different people :) You owe her one though!!
 
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No idea, but certainly many thousands. The ambulance ride alone is $1000. They gave me a CT scan, Cream Gravy said he went to the ER and they charged him $10,000 for the CT scan alone. He went for bad gut pain and was there one day and and was charged $13,000 I believe. Every medical service at the ER costs like 10x what it costs in a non-ER for some reason, it's insane.

Anyway the alcohol dehydrogenase being occupied delaying the metabolization is my theory but I think it's true. Normally it affects me very quickly, 3mL is like too strong (just wonky and stumbly, not passing out). I started with 2mL, an hour later, nothing, or maybe a tiny bit. Redosed a few times within the first hour and a half, and then like 3 hours after first dose it all started hitting me, I got pretty fucked up, enjoyed it for a bit, then next thing I know, ambulance. The timeline was all messed up. I also noticed the same thing another time I already had some drinks in me but that time I was much more careful and didn't recklessly redose.

It's funny because I was thinking to myself... I hope this doesn't all hit me and I OD. And then, that;s exactly what happened. :rolleyes:
 
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