What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[psy997]

You are making claims and then becoming hostile when someone asks you to provide evidence.

Don't try to put labels on me just because you can't back up your own claims.

No. I am becoming hostile when being asked to provide evidence because this thread is the emergent process of discovering evidence. To attempt to discredit the process of finding evidence because there is not yet solid evidence is, at best, ignorant, and at worst, deceitful.

 

[Simosom]

Exactly, i was about to say same.

"Love the way the negative posters are going to swoop in now because there was a brief conflict in this thread..."

I had a meh batches where marquis goes purple to black.

 

[sekio]

I find this one interesting because it is looking at seized samples, and finds similar isobaric substances that are not MDMA (but appear to be):

Where do you get the idea that the paper said that there were other isomers of MDMA detected? Did you even read it?

The combination of the MS–MS spectrum and the retention time allowed the unambiguous identification of 3,4-MDMA in all samples where present (46/49). One sample contained only methamphetamine, one methamphetamine and caffeine, and one only caffeine. [...] Other active substances found by GC–MS from the tablets were MDA and MDEA, and they did not affect the specificity ofthe method.

 

[wereallmadhere]

Hey guys, im sure nobody remembers my preious posts to this thread... as in being a pure sceptic of this whole idea, until my source changed, and my rolls changed... for the worst as soon as I switched to dark net sourced material. In any case, I have acquired a fairly good chunk of the old "magic" , and I fully intent to closely look at ,and see how reagent reactions compare. Once confirmed to be as good as the old suppy, and is indeed magic. I would gladly sacrafice a cap for lab testing, or if anyone here wanted to do any sort of testing on it... only id need some donations to cover cost of cap and testing. I am real, real curious how this stuff would lab test, but after the cash i dropped on this stuff and the rarity of it, I would for sure need some monetary assistance. I plan to roll on the new stuf first (still have two old magic caps) just to make sure the new batch (from same source) still as the amazing mdma magic I fell in love with 2+ years ago. I still have complete magic as of my last roll, so if its good , im expecting a mind blowing exp. Haven't rolled on the magic since the end of Aug. '19. And props to everyone in this thread, with possibly except of vash. :D Even tho I have my doubts this issue will be solved, it would be nice to know what the issue is even if the ww clandestine labs would likely keep pumping out the same cheap. knockoff like experience of MDMA.

PS My biggest thought on meh/vs magic. The magic has a rocket ship come up. Like your strapped to the outside of a rocket, and when you reach destination... You are on another planet. Physiological effects are much more intense... Clenching is like chomping down and you don't even realize till 5 mins later :D, heart rate is obviously up compared to meh... sweating profushihiely even in cool environments music sounds like its being pumped directly to your brain from another planet. :D But if you have had the genuine article, its going to just be a complete disappointment. Forgot... The come up on meh is so slow and slight, you don't even really realize you have come up until you start noticing things... like music sounds a bit better, my hair/body feels amazing, hands m feet cold from the vasoconstriction, talking peoples ears off... lol So ill be rolling on the new supply in maybe two weeks and will be back with a full, hopefully happy report. Sure hope this stuff is the real artical, as I could have purchase in bulk online and gotten a fuckin oz :D This will also give me time to try some other sources and save these good ones for the really special occasionans like my bday, and one festival/rave a year. Maybe I will strike gold and find a quantity of crystal magic on the dn, or my other go to a particular rave social media app. lol.


One more thing... reading the differences between R/S mdma, its almost like this shit is R isomer dominated, which is where the body high, and some other good effects come from. While the S type is more potent, as far more stimulating and dopaminergic. Now his probably isnt the problem, but on other rolls, I felt like where is the fucking dopamine and stimulaion. :/ The stimulation from the magic, is the cleanest, purest more eurphoric stimulant I have ever done. And its totally missing from the "Meh"batches. Its almost like since the dutch dont like meth, they took the meth side of mdma out of it. :D Just a joke kinda. Haha. Anyway thanks for reading this far if you did , and to all yall investigating this issue. I have done plenty of drugs, and no drug has had such varying effects between different batches... :/ I also wonder what would happen if you dropped a little adderal on to some meh stuff? Surely the dopamine/stim side would make a better entrance, hehe.
One more interesting note... Last time I did the magic stuff at the end f aug, that roll was ever bit as magic, if not fucking more than very first roll. And this is coming from someone with 15+ rolls since end of Jan '18, and did not roll period until I was 41, so no burned out nostalgic raver here...

Also I could kinda see certain type of people actually liking the meh more... Its very chill nd relaxing, opening and takes down the fear response, personality guards etc.. just like classic mdma. But if you dont want to be stimmed up as if your on a shorter acting meth, I could see liking the more chill stuff, especially for a home roll with ur chick just cudling, talking, etc... anyway. Sorry for the rant, not on meth but I did take a 30mg adderal a couple hours ago. :D

 

[indigoaura]

Where do you get the idea that the paper said that there were other isomers of MDMA detected? Did you even read it?

I may have linked the wrong paper. Now the link is not working properly. Give me a bit and I will find the correct link. I have a lot of articles saved, and there has been a great deal of info shared in the thread. It can be a bit convoluted to dig through.

 

[indigoaura]

@wereallmadhere

If you have both a meh and a magic sample, I should be able to work something out between you and Drugs Data where you can send your samples to them and you would not have to send $. They would also want you to fill out a questionnaire. Ideally, more than one person would have tried both the meh and the magic sample, and everyone who tried each sample would be willing to fill out the questionnaire.

I personally feel that everyone in this thread should avoid sending any kind of payment to any individual member who is promising to test products etc. Too easy for people to be taken advantage of. I think we can get this set up with Drugs Data where samples would go to them and they would look at them with a higher amount of scrutiny as part of this project.

Also, in my experience, the mah product is not good for hanging at home and just chilling with your partner. It is unpleasant. You just want to be alone and space out. It has none of the pro-social, connectedness of typical MDMA in my personal experience.

 

[indigoaura]

@sekio My apologies for posting the wrong link. The article that addresses regioisomers being found in clandestine pills is here: http://www.icadtsinternational.com/files/documents/2007_271.pdf

CONCLUSIONS: The analytical results indicate that the samples, in which an overlapped peak assigned to MDMA was observed, contain 2 or more of the 10 regioisomers that exist in MDMA. The presence of one, or several, of these regioisomers can easily be missed in routine analyses and can lead to an important error of quantification.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

I hope people are aware mdma effects rely on set and setting aswell just like things like psychedelics.

If you do mdma too much for some people it will become a very negative experience just like how some people have bad reactions to psychedelics.

Why is that over ounces and ounces of mdma i have yet to see anybody in this country complain about meh? This is all made in holland comes in various moon rock champagne colours or white sometimes a little bit brown but i always avoid black or brown mdma as i know pure crystal should be white or clear. Why is that every press here that is pressed in holland or pressed here by mass production mdma from holland is magic for everybody most people split these high dose pills and half a crazy roll still. Though i like taking the full 240-280 mg and just rolling out of mind hard.

Just because your product might have some tiny amount of mdma to fool some lame regnant tests doesn't mean that full 100 mg you ate had any more than 10-40 mg of mdma in it.

 

[psy997]

If you do mdma too much for some people it will become a very negative experience just like how some people have bad reactions to psychedelics.

This is not the case given how many users that have experienced MehDMA have experienced MagicDMA experiences just before and/or after Meh experiences. Especially Hilopsilo who rolled with an entire group on Meh one night, then used another batch the next night and had a totally different, classically Magic experience. Set and setting is important, but it doesn't cover the effects seen with Meh.

Why is that over ounces and ounces of mdma i have yet to see anybody in this country complain about meh?

I am starting to get curious about why Australian/NZ users here seem more likely to have not ever experienced Meh. It is a very good question that I, too, hold.

Just because your product might have some tiny amount of mdma to fool some lame regnant tests doesn't mean that full 100 mg you ate had any more than 10-40 mg of mdma in it.

Low dosed / impure product also doesn't fit the bill considering bumping up dosage does nothing except (usually) make the experience even more meh. Plus, 40mg of MDMA plugged is more than enough for pure ecstacy - I've done it multiple times - and that amount of Meh plugged is nothing like it.

 

[indigoaura]

@TripSitterNZ "Why is that over ounces and ounces of mdma i have yet to see anybody in this country complain about meh?" I wish I knew the answer to that, but since you are on an island, I can only hypothesize that what is being made there or being imported is of a decent quality. That is how it used to be in my area too. Easily 90% of what was around was good, and when it wasn't good it was due to it being DXM or something completely bunk. Nobody in this area complained about "meh" product many years ago. It was either MDMA and good, or it wasn't.

"Just because your product might have some tiny amount of mdma to fool some lame regnant tests doesn't mean that full 100 mg you ate had any more than 10-40 mg of mdma in it." The products that I am personally defining as "meh" were sent in for lab tests and not just reagent tested.

And, sorry man, set and setting just does not explain what I have observed, not just for me but for new users as well. Used to, a new user was blown away. It did not matter where they were.

It sounds like your area is like my area used to be. There was a huge bust here around 2002 or so when a huge amount of the product being imported here was cut off in a large bust. I never found magic product again after all of that stuff dried up. I don't doubt that it is here somewhere, but I don't know how to get it.

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My guy, at the time, always claimed his stuff was sourced through Asian channels, but not too long after this bust, he quit, and I never saw the same caliber of product again.

 

[androoo]

I am starting to get curious about why Australian/NZ users here seem more likely to have not ever experienced Meh. It is a very good question that I, too, hold.

Dude, I'm in NZ and ALL we have is MehDMA!!! Everyone who remembers what it used to be like doesn't use it anymore, there is a whole generation of kids who have no idea what real mdma actually does...

 

[androoo]

I hope people are aware mdma effects rely on set and setting aswell just like things like psychedelics.

If you do mdma too much for some people it will become a very negative experience just like how some people have bad reactions to psychedelics.

Why is that over ounces and ounces of mdma i have yet to see anybody in this country complain about meh? This is all made in holland comes in various moon rock champagne colours or white sometimes a little bit brown but i always avoid black or brown mdma as i know pure crystal should be white or clear. Why is that every press here that is pressed in holland or pressed here by mass production mdma from holland is magic for everybody most people split these high dose pills and half a crazy roll still. Though i like taking the full 240-280 mg and just rolling out of mind hard.

Just because your product might have some tiny amount of mdma to fool some lame regnant tests doesn't mean that full 100 mg you ate had any more than 10-40 mg of mdma in it.

Dude, all of the mdma currently in NZ is terrible...no happiness at all...I've had quite a bit from various sources (with all the different dumb names people use to sell it)

 

[Deleted member 521610]

Dude, I'm in NZ and ALL we have is MehDMA!!! Everyone who remembers what it used to be like doesn't use it anymore, there is a whole generation of kids who have no idea what real mdma actually does...

i been using mdma since 2003. You must get yours from crackheads cause theres hundreds of kgs of good stuff in this country. I get magic stuff from holland and presses are fucking insane in nz so i dont know what u do probably speed from headhunters or black power lmao. I see your from welly which explains everything welligton is as shit hole of crackheads selling RCs lmao. Also wellington is filled with PMA by the tens of kgs.

 

[androoo]

nope, we get all the same stuff as you.. i've never seen so much mdma in Wellington before and it's all crystal(varying colours) and it's all imported...no PMA either, we have testing facilities locally, if PMA came up we would all know about it.
All my previous MDMA experience is in the UK (1999 onwards). ALL of the mdma here is crap, yes it has similar effects, tests as mdma but it doesn't feel the same. The whole set/setting things is a bit misleading, when you have proper mdma, you know you have proper mdma... no matter what the situation your in! that little smile/smirk on your face as you come up; i miss that so much

 

[Deleted member 521610]

nope, we get all the same stuff as you.. i've never seen so much mdma in Wellington before and it's all crystal(varying colours) and it's all imported...no PMA either, we have testing facilities locally, if PMA came up we would all know about it.
All my previous MDMA experience is in the UK (1999 onwards). ALL of the mdma here is crap, yes it has similar effects, tests as mdma but it doesn't feel the same. The whole set/setting things is a bit misleading, when you have proper mdma, you know you have proper mdma... no matter what the situation your in! that little smile/smirk on your face as you come up; i miss that so much

No one is testing the mdma by GCMS in NZ and publishing results. I know how wellington works i also grew up on mdma in holland when i was in my early 20's. I have never come across crap mdma because i know what to avoid and what to get. I could go out and easily get ounces of amazing product.

PMA is all over wellington its been seized by police in 10's of kgs amounts i know what goes on with those cooked cunts down there. I know those cooked crackheads try smoke rocks of "mdma" which is all various caothines.

The product i come across is tested professionally by energy control before its bought in. I can direct you to magic presses that are present in NZ atm and only these ones are legit any other in NZ are sus. Skittles, Off white rolexs, Pink grenades are all def very good.

I get off white or moon rock mdma 100 mg is enough to have you rolling in pure love pupils dilated.
I know the type of kiwis who claim all drugs are crap just because they hang out with wrong circles. you want good shit in NZ you have to work your way into better things. Usually that involves rolling people over who sell you junk so they pack up and it cleans up the game in the area.

Anybody in this country if they had half a brain and enough money can go buy ounces or even hundreds of grams of really good mdma and even 1000's of pressies if they wanted too.

 

[androoo]

i have access to 'moon rock' 'topaz rock' 'goldrush' 'alpha supreme' and all the other random names they come up with.. and yes to large amounts, pressed pills.. we may have access via a similar 'app' (i'm not going to go in to details)... i am still yet to have any mdma that makes me actually smile

 

[Deleted member 521610]

i have access to 'moon rock' 'topaz rock' 'goldrush' 'alpha supreme' and all the other random names they come up with.. and yes to large amounts, pressed pills.. we may have access via a similar 'app' (i'm not going to go in to details)... i am still yet to have any mdma that makes me actually smile

Your going to have to come to terms with losing the magic then. Its a real thing for some people its all down to brain chemistry. Maybe go do copious amounts of DMT and LSD and shrooms to reset your brain to feel mdma again.

Even online you have to able to differentiate between bad product and good product. I dont do brown or black mdma for a good reason most the weight is solvent or biproducts.

On the streets in auckland every fucking person and their nana seems to have cheap ounces of very good mdma for sale. Though the king cobras prob mad their triad connection got busted.

 

[androoo]

Your going to have to come to terms with losing the magic then. Its a real thing for some people its all down to brain chemistry. Maybe go do copious amounts of DMT and LSD and shrooms to reset your brain to feel mdma again.

Even online you have to able to differentiate between bad product and good product. I dont do brown or black mdma for a good reason most the weight is solvent or biproducts.

On the streets in auckland every fucking person and their nana seems to have cheap ounces of very good mdma for sale. Though the king cobras prob mad their triad connection got busted.

dmt & lsd won't reset your brain so you can enjoy mdma again the first mdma crystal i ever had in 2001 was brown/orange, i was sooo loved up i proposed to my g/f at the time... i have met so many people like you that bang on about losing the magic, the mdma is amazing blah blah blah.. It's completely pointless trying to convince you that it's crap mdma. We'll just have to both agree to disagree and hope that this little mystery is solved

 

[draculic acid69]

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Hey guys, im sure nobody remembers my preious posts to this thread... as in being a pure sceptic of this whole idea, until my source changed, and my rolls changed... for the worst as soon as I switched to dark net sourced material. In any case, I have acquired a fairly good chunk of the old "magic" , and I fully intent to closely look at ,and see how reagent reactions compare. Once confirmed to be as good as the old suppy, and is indeed magic. I would gladly sacrafice a cap for lab testing, or if anyone here wanted to do any sort of testing on it... only id need some donations to cover cost of cap and testing. I am real, real curious how this stuff would lab test, but after the cash i dropped on this stuff and the rarity of it, I would for sure need some monetary assistance. I plan to roll on the new stuf first (still have two old magic caps) just to make sure the new batch (from same source) still as the amazing mdma magic I fell in love with 2+ years ago. I still have complete magic as of my last roll, so if its good , im expecting a mind blowing exp. Haven't rolled on the magic since the end of Aug. '19. And props to everyone in this thread, with possibly except of vash. :D Even tho I have my doubts this issue will be solved, it would be nice to know what the issue is even if the ww clandestine labs would likely keep pumping out the same cheap. knockoff like experience of MDMA.

PS My biggest thought on meh/vs magic. The magic has a rocket ship come up. Like your strapped to the outside of a rocket, and when you reach destination... You are on another planet. Physiological effects are much more intense... Clenching is like chomping down and you don't even realize till 5 mins later :D, heart rate is obviously up compared to meh... sweating profushihiely even in cool environments music sounds like its being pumped directly to your brain from another planet. :D But if you have had the genuine article, its going to just be a complete disappointment. Forgot... The come up on meh is so slow and slight, you don't even really realize you have come up until you start noticing things... like music sounds a bit better, my hair/body feels amazing, hands m feet cold from the vasoconstriction, talking peoples ears off... lol So ill be rolling on the new supply in maybe two weeks and will be back with a full, hopefully happy report. Sure hope this stuff is the real artical, as I could have purchase in bulk online and gotten a fuckin oz :D This will also give me time to try some other sources and save these good ones for the really special occasionans like my bday, and one festival/rave a year. Maybe I will strike gold and find a quantity of crystal magic on the dn, or my other go to a particular rave social media app. lol.


One more thing... reading the differences between R/S mdma, its almost like this shit is R isomer dominated, which is where the body high, and some other good effects come from. While the S type is more potent, as far more stimulating and dopaminergic. Now his probably isnt the problem, but on other rolls, I felt like where is the fucking dopamine and stimulaion. :/ The stimulation from the magic, is the cleanest, purest more eurphoric stimulant I have ever done. And its totally missing from the "Meh"batches. Its almost like since the dutch dont like meth, they took the meth side of mdma out of it. :D Just a joke kinda. Haha. Anyway thanks for reading this far if you did , and to all yall investigating this issue. I have done plenty of drugs, and no drug has had such varying effects between different batches... :/ I also wonder what would happen if you dropped a little adderal on to some meh stuff? Surely the dopamine/stim side would make a better entrance, hehe.
One more interesting note... Last time I did the magic stuff at the end f aug, that roll was ever bit as magic, if not fucking more than very first roll. And this is coming from someone with 15+ rolls since end of Jan '18, and did not roll period until I was 41, so no burned out nostalgic raver here...

Also I could kinda see certain type of people actually liking the meh more... Its very chill nd relaxing, opening and takes down the fear response, personality guards etc.. just like classic mdma. But if you dont want to be stimmed up as if your on a shorter acting meth, I could see liking the more chill stuff, especially for a home roll with ur chick just cudling, talking, etc... anyway. Sorry for the rant, not on meth but I did take a 30mg adderal a couple hours ago. :D

We all know how magic tests to marquis and mandelin but we really need info on reagent testing meh stuff and the difference between the two.

 

[Simosom]

@wereallmadhere
Well explained.
It would be perfect if someone like indigoaura or g_chem can test and confirm the magic sample.

@TripSitterNZ
mdma effects are not rely on set and setting as psyhidelics are.