Opioids Lowest dose, least addictive opioid - most affordable?

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP · Jan 18, 2020

nznity said:
Tramadol is the least euphoric opiate imo apart from the fact that when you wd from it it's a double WD(opiate plus SSRI wd).

Oh wait really? So it's like withdrawing from an opiate and a benzo at the same time? That's fucked

nznity · Jan 18, 2020

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
I agree. Some say that oxy is as devastating as heroin in terms of addiction--I both agree and disagree. There's something about heroin that people find more euphoric and insist on redosing over and over completely ignoring withdrawals. An oxy abuser usually knows to save his or her stash to dodge the toll. A lot of people with heroin are just like "let's get high now and worry about it later."

I think OP has a really low opiate tolerance from the question he's asking but I could be wrong. He'd prolly feel codeine, and it being less euphoric is probably what he wants. Oxy is pretty potent. Not the most addicting/strongest opiate but it's definitely not to be underestimated. It feels gooooood lol. Also is a great painkiller so it's hard to kick out of your life.

IME Oxycodone Withdrawals were pretty fucking awful the first time I had real WDS(I went Cold turkey from them), it lasted for so long like 3 weeks the physical part compared to my morphine kick a few years later which only lasted 5 days the physical. Although the physical part is very tough, the PAWS is the real fucking beast you have to deal with and makes it so hard to quit opiates, the anhedonia and the anxiety just lingers on and on and on and on for quite a long time making someone prone to relapse. That's y so many people fall on the same hole of shit over and over.

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP · Jan 18, 2020

nznity said:
IME Oxycodone Withdrawals were pretty fucking awful the first time I had real WDS(I went Cold turkey from them), it lasted for so long like 3 weeks the physical part compared to my morphine kick a few years later which only lasted 5 days the physical. Although the physical part is very tough, the PAWS is the real fucking beast you have to deal with and makes it so hard to quit opiates, the anhedonia and the anxiety just lingers on and on and on and on for quite a long time making someone prone to relapse. That's y so many people fall on the same hole of shit over and over.

Yeah :/ I've always thought heroin withdrawals were far worse. Maybe in terms of physical intensity? My PAWs from a 2 year oxy habit (a mild one at that actually) lasted for 5 months. I was so sick of feeling like a depressed robot in a flat and grey world so I started eating kratom and it actually snapped me right back into normal mode (for better and for worse).

I've never felt so horrible mentally as I did from oxy withdrawal back then lol. Honestly tho, I'd take it over benzo withdrawal or alcoholism cessation cuz at least you know you won't die lol. It's definitely mentally strong enough to make you relapse though or not have any desire to live

Oh well, lesson learned. There's no way to tell what the toll is like when you first feel that 10 milligram percocet/oxy buzz. The withdrawal is like the opposite of the pleasurable buzz and it only hits you wayyyy later at the end.

I actually found the PAWs to be brutal. Far worse than the initial part where you're freezing cold while sweating and absolutely hate life. At least you're feeling... something. The PAWs make you feel inhuman.

nznity · Jan 18, 2020

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
Yeah :/ I've always thought heroin withdrawals were far worse. Maybe in terms of physical intensity? My PAWs from a 2 year oxy habit (a mild one at that actually) lasted for 5 months. I was so sick of feeling like a depressed robot in a flat and grey world so I started eating kratom and it actually snapped me right back into normal mode (for better and for worse).

I've never felt so horrible mentally as I did from oxy withdrawal back then lol. Honestly tho, I'd take it over benzo withdrawal or alcoholism cessation cuz at least you know you won't die lol. It's definitely mentally strong enough to make you relapse though or not have any desire to live Oh well, lesson learned. There's no way to tell what the toll is like when you first feel that 10 milligram percocet/oxy buzz. The withdrawal is like the opposite of the pleasurable buzz and it only hits you wayyyy later at the end.

hjuys
You just reminded me of the first time I combined weed and a moderate dose of oxycodone(50mg), holy shit I've never ever ever felt that kind of euphoria again, even with the same dose. That day I experienced the true opiate euphoria, felt so warm and cozzy smoking my cigarette. Nodding off like crazy just relieved from all kinds of stress, my world was contempt.

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP · Jan 18, 2020

nznity said:
hjuys
You just reminded me of the first time I combined weed and a moderate dose of oxycodone(50mg), holy shit I've never ever ever felt that kind of euphoria again, even with the same dose. That day I experienced the true opiate euphoria, felt so warm and cozzy smoking my cigarette. Nodding off like crazy just relieved from all kinds of stress, my world was contempt.

Yeah too bad that doesn't last lol. I still can get high, but it's like it no longer releases dopamine. I'll just feel really high without any pleasure even with bigger doses. It really is unbeatable in the beginning and I think everyone who dives into the game should know how it loses its charm eventually even with gigantic doses. I still remember 10 milligram percocets being like the most beautiful feeling I've ever felt. Lasted for 1-2 years? And then it started to get more and more underwhelming. I just don't think opiates are something to be used on a regular basis unless you truly have chronic pain. It stops feeling good and then the withdrawals are just ridiculous. In the beginning when people switch to heroin they save money but somehow always end up spending a house worth on dope. They usually lose complete control. Of course there are people who have switched to heroin off of oxy and somehow retained self control, but most people cannot control their heroin use. I don't know, I've only snorted heroin powder twice and both times it didn't feel like a worse monster. But maybe because you get way more bang for your buck. I still regret trying it, but luckily I didn't really like it.

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP · Jan 18, 2020

Oh btw OP I might recommend morphine tablets. They aren't as "let's see how high I can get" in terms of effects, and moreso mellow but also the best for pain relief. You'd just have to be careful not to push things above your tolerance because sometimes morphine tablets take a little bit of extra time to kick in.

Most people think that morphine is the best for pain relief (and it probably is), but as long as you're not plugging or shooting it up it's not as addicting as oxy in my opinion. It's extended release by nature so it's not as compelling to constantly redose. So either codeine or morphine tablets.

nznity · Jan 18, 2020

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
Yeah too bad that doesn't last lol. I still can get high, but it's like it no longer releases dopamine. I'll just feel really high without any pleasure even with bigger doses. It really is unbeatable in the beginning and I think everyone who dives into the game should know how it loses its charm eventually even with gigantic doses. I still remember 10 milligram percocets being like the most beautiful feeling I've ever felt. Lasted for 1-2 years? And then it started to get more and more underwhelming. I just don't think opiates are something to be used on a regular basis unless you truly have chronic pain. It stops feeling good and then the withdrawals are just ridiculous. In the beginning when people switch to heroin they save money but somehow always end up spending a house worth on dope. They usually lose complete control. Of course there are people who have switched to heroin off of oxy and somehow retained self control, but most people cannot control their heroin use. I don't know, I've only snorted heroin powder twice and both times it didn't feel like a worse monster. But maybe because you get way more bang for your buck. I still regret trying it, but luckily I didn't really like it.

In my experience this is why people end up with a crack addiction on top of their Heroin Habits. Because they can no longer feel pleasure with their opiate of choice, myself included. I started smoking crack cocaine when I stopped getting high from my beloved morphine.well don't get me wrong, I still get the lovely RUSH and some euphoria but it is not longer the epic mind-blowing high that it used to be. Nowdays after I do my shot I smoke crack on top to be high as balls.

nznity · Jan 18, 2020

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
Oh btw OP I might recommend morphine tablets. They aren't as "let's see how high I can get" in terms of effects, and moreso mellow but also the best for pain relief. You'd just have to be careful not to push things above your tolerance because sometimes morphine tablets take a little bit of extra time to kick in.

Most people think that morphine is the best for pain relief (and it probably is), but as long as you're not plugging or shooting it up it's not as addicting as oxy in my opinion. It's extended release by nature so it's not as compelling to constantly redose. So either codeine or morphine tablets.

I'm lucky(or unlucky? depending on the point of view) that I have access to pure Pharma morphine, it's completely different than taking morphine pills. I do 100mg shots every time I wanna get high(that's the equivalent of 5 20MG/ML ampoules). Matter of fact, I'm high as fk on morphine I just did a shot half an hr ago. Morphine is the king of opiates/oids in my whole drug career. Nothing beats the euphoria of the rush of good Ol' M with it's pins and needles and blushing(histamine release).

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP · Jan 18, 2020

nznity said:
I'm lucky(or unlucky? depending on the point of view) that I have access to pure Pharma morphine, it's completely different than taking morphine pills. I do 100mg shots every time I wanna get high(that's the equivalent of 5 20MG/ML ampoules). Matter of fact, I'm high as fk on morphine I just did a shot half an hr ago. Morphine is the king of opiates/oids in my whole drug career. Nothing beats the euphoria of the rush of good Ol' M with it's pins and needles and blushing(histamine release).

I'd say you're lucky

Are you in Europe btw? The US is so rigid with opioid access but then again they did give them out like candy so it's either or. If you're white in the US it's definitely far easier to get a script like that lol! Sucks but it is definitely true. I have no ability to shoot them up nor do I want to.. so I've just eaten the tablets but they were still pretty good. Can you not get the same buzz with morphine as with heroin? Problem is with heroin the fentynal lacing and other analogues which makes me only recommend it to those with utmost highest opiate tolerance. And even then I'm not sure if anyone's life has improved from heroin ever.

But I think in the US specifically fentynal is moreso an issue.

nznity · Jan 18, 2020

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
I'd say you're lucky Are you in Europe btw? The US is so rigid with opioid access but then again they did give them out like candy so it's either or. If you're white in the US it's definitely far easier to get a script like that lol! Sucks but it is definitely true. I have no ability to shoot them up nor do I want to.. so I've just eaten the tablets but they were still pretty good. Can you not get the same buzz with morphine as with heroin? Problem is with heroin the fentynal lacing and other analogues which makes me only recommend it to those with utmost highest opiate tolerance. And even then I'm not sure if anyone's life has improved from heroin ever.

But I think in the US specifically fentynal is moreso an issue.

I‘m based in Peru my friend haha. I have access to Good Quality Drugs Though, the Best cocaine in the World, Good MDMA, Cheap Oxy, cheap and pure Pharma Vials of Morphine, Ketamine, Hell even pharma grade Fentanyl. I’m very lucky to live in this country, We got the best food and the best drugs. Lols.
PD: Oh forgott, I can get Benzos OTC, Diazepam, Clonazepam, Alprazolam, Lorazepam. the only tHing Fking expensive is Lyrica ROFL. Apart from that guy I can get any drug I want. Only our weed is not that good, It’s not shitty like Brazilian weed(that brick weed from the favelas is garbage) but The States weed is from another planet.

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP · Jan 18, 2020

nznity said:
I‘m based in Peru my friend haha. I have access to Good Quality Drugs Though, the Best cocaine in the World, Good MDMA, Cheap Oxy, cheap and pure Pharma Vials of Morphine, Ketamine, Hell even pharma grade Fentanyl. I’m very lucky to live in this country, We got the best food and the best drugs. Lols.
PD: Oh forgott, I can get Benzos OTC, Diazepam, Clonazepam, Alprazolam, Lorazepam. the only tHing Fking expensive is Lyrica ROFL. Apart from that guy I can get any drug I want. Only our weed is not that good, It’s not shitty like Brazilian weed(that brick weed from the favelas is garbage) but The States weed is from another planet.

Sounds like a good place to ruin your entire life and go down in the best way possible.

nznity · Jan 19, 2020

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
Sounds like a good place to ruin your entire life and go down in the best way possible.

Sad but true hahahaha. Not entirely true though, it's a good place to live.

supersonic89 · Jan 19, 2020

nznity said:
I‘m based in Peru my friend haha. I have access to Good Quality Drugs Though, the Best cocaine in the World, Good MDMA, Cheap Oxy, cheap and pure Pharma Vials of Morphine, Ketamine, Hell even pharma grade Fentanyl. I’m very lucky to live in this country, We got the best food and the best drugs. Lols.
PD: Oh forgott, I can get Benzos OTC, Diazepam, Clonazepam, Alprazolam, Lorazepam. the only tHing Fking expensive is Lyrica ROFL. Apart from that guy I can get any drug I want. Only our weed is not that good, It’s not shitty like Brazilian weed(that brick weed from the favelas is garbage) but The States weed is from another planet.

So lucky. I had no idea it was so easy to access drugs in Peru. Especially opioids. In Chile we are lucky to have Tapentadol hahaha. Only a privileged few can enjoy morphine. The only thing similar is here the weed also sucks hahaha.

nznity · Jan 19, 2020

supersonic89 said:
So lucky. I had no idea it was so easy to access drugs in Peru. Especially opioids. In Chile we are lucky to have Tapentadol hahaha. Only a privileged few can enjoy morphine. The only thing similar is here the weed also sucks hahaha.

Well actually it's hard to get opiates here and I actually don't know much ppl that use em besides me. Only a handful of people got the connects to get Morphine and Oxycodone in my country. There's not even a methadone program or suboxone here because Opiate users are practically nonexistent.

nznity · Jan 19, 2020

supersonic89 said:
So lucky. I had no idea it was so easy to access drugs in Peru. Especially opioids. In Chile we are lucky to have Tapentadol hahaha. Only a privileged few can enjoy morphine. The only thing similar is here the weed also sucks hahaha.

Hey btw nice to meet a fellow Bluelighter from Chile (Y), Sabes que nuestros paises tienen cierta rencilla pero yo para nada, somos hermanos sudamericanos y deberiamos tratarnos como tal :D

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP · Jan 19, 2020

nznity said:
Well actually it's hard to get opiates here and I actually don't know much ppl that use em besides me. Only a handful of people got the connects to get Morphine and Oxycodone in my country. There's not even a methadone program or suboxone here because Opiate users are practically nonexistent.

USA take notes! Of course oxycodone is a problem in the US because of how many scripts they gave out for like eye lash pain hehe. But also in a way when something is forbidden in our country people definitely want it more than ever lol. Oxycodone is glorified by the "epidemic" and in a way I think that makes people want to see what all the fuss is about.

They have been doing a better job at keeping oxy out of the streets but also in their attempt to limit prescriptions more people with true chronic pain are being horrendously screwed over

There's no win-win.

supersonic89 · Jan 19, 2020

nznity said:
Hey btw nice to meet a fellow Bluelighter from Chile (Y), Sabes que nuestros paises tienen cierta rencilla pero yo para nada, somos hermanos sudamericanos y deberiamos tratarnos como tal :D

Así es amigo. Esas rencillas son cada vez más cosa del pasado. A mí me caen muy bien los hermanos peruanos. Las dos veces que he ido a tu país me han tratado muy bien. Además, como dices, la comida peruana es riquísima.

nznity · Jan 19, 2020

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
USA take notes! Of course oxycodone is a problem in the US because of how many scripts they gave out for like eye lash pain hehe. But also in a way when something is forbidden in our country people definitely want it more than ever lol. Oxycodone is glorified by the "epidemic" and in a way I think that makes people want to see what all the fuss is about.

They have been doing a better job at keeping oxy out of the streets but also in their attempt to limit prescriptions more people with true chronic pain are being horrendously screwed over There's no win-win.

Man yeah it's hard as fk to get Opiates the legit way in here. When my mom was dying of cancer they only gave her TRAMADOL, only when she was on her last days they started Iving her with morphine. At the time she was dealing with a lot of pain, I was using stronger opiates than her the old school Purdue Oxies.....

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP · Jan 19, 2020

nznity said:
Man yeah it's hard as fk to get Opiates the legit way in here. When my mom was dying of cancer they only gave her TRAMADOL, only when she was on her last days they started Iving her with morphine. At the time she was dealing with a lot of pain, I was using stronger opiates than her the old school Purdue Oxies.....

Hmm that is strange. I never understood why tramadol is considered safer than oxy because the seizure aspect really does get people sometimes. Most people who overdose on oxy seem to not overdose on oxycodone alone, but rather a combination of benzos or alcohol with the substance. Let's be honest too, I can understand them hesitant to prescribe stronger painkillers so they don't get into the wrong hands but like.. very rarely do real chronic pain patients seem to overdose.

nznity · Jan 19, 2020

GetMeOutOfThisCRAP said:
Hmm that is strange. I never understood why tramadol is considered safer than oxy because the seizure aspect really does get people sometimes. Most people who overdose on oxy seem to not overdose on oxycodone alone, but rather a combination of benzos or alcohol with the substance. Let's be honest too, I can understand them hesitant to prescribe stronger painkillers so they don't get into the wrong hands but like.. very rarely do real chronic pain patients seem to overdose.

in my experience and opinion, tramadol is a piece of shit when it comes to pain management for serious ailments.