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EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

He said he was gonna quit and prove me wrong on the 10’th October last year.


Still waiting as I said I would be.

So what?
Is it your battle to fight? No I didn't think so my friend.
 
What sounds better? Police interceptors, a few cuppas and lines of brown, or a massage with a happy ending or a.date wit an FB?
Police interceptors, a few cuppas and lines of brown.
See, the thing is, it probably wouldn't be anything so glamorous as police interceptors, high speed car chases, gun battles and the like. It'll just be one or two plod looking for trouble somewhere else and finding me as some sort of consolation prize.

Now the thing about a drug deal is, after the money and the merchandise have changed hands, neither party is going to stick around especially long; the greatest risk for the buyer is being caught not actually in possession, but while waiting for the dealer to turn up. And unless they can be persuaded that I am waiting on a street corner to return a borrowed book, but the lender probably isn't going to show up now so perhaps I ought to just make my way safely home before anything terrible happens, they've got me bang to rights either waiting for a client, or waiting for a drug dealer, and neither way looks good. Or some disturbance could kick off at the station, or the train or the next station along the line could be full of Bobbies, meaning I get caught carrying.

I know what a clock sounds like when the spring is almost wound completely down and it's about to stop, and that's been the vibe on the last few scoring missions. Just give me a steaming hot mug of cocoa and an early night, and give some other mug a spin of the wheel .....
 
I know what a clock sounds like when the spring is almost wound completely down and it's about to stop, and that's been the vibe on the last few scoring missions. Just give me a steaming hot mug of cocoa and an early night, and give some other mug a spin of the wheel .....
Quite a well expressed point right there. One of the most true things I've read about going on the street to score right there I do have to admit.

One event I'll never understand was a time I went to score from a local guy & you had to go to his house, I got served but I didn't know drug squad were watching him & they pulled me over less than 2 mins after going to score & I'd picked up 6 bags. They turned my pockets out & worked me over really well, for some reason when they turned my pockets out the bags had vanished, I swear to God they simply weren't there & the cops had to let me go.

I got back to my flat confused as hell to where they had gone & as I turned out my pocket again they fell out??!!!?!!!?!?!?!!?!
Now I'm NO expert in quantum physics but that day I'm sure something truly weird happened!
 
Quite a well expressed point right there. One of the most true things I've read about going on the street to score right there I do have to admit.

One event I'll never understand was a time I went to score from a local guy & you had to go to his house, I got served but I didn't know drug squad were watching him & they pulled me over less than 2 mins after going to score & I'd picked up 6 bags. They turned my pockets out & worked me over really well, for some reason when they turned my pockets out the bags had vanished, I swear to God they simply weren't there & the cops had to let me go.

I got back to my flat confused as hell to where they had gone & as I turned out my pocket again they fell out??!!!?!!!?!?!?!!?!
Now I'm NO expert in quantum physics but that day I'm sure something truly weird happened!

You've obviously got a wormhole in yer pants... 🤣
 
Your man suspect you and get time?

He got busted a few days later but I'm well known around here as a decent guy if you follow me.
2 guys I go score off have told many people around here to fuck off etc when they have wanted to score off them as they are scummy & got big gobs if you follow me on that one.

You know as well as I do the usual cop routine when busted, they lock you up till they know you are nice & sick then give you that bullshit "Tell us who you buy off & we can have you bailed in 5 minutes" some open their mouth & others just keep silent. The best trick is when booked into custody tell them you are addicted to alcohol & not had a drink for 12 hours, they get the doctor down there so quick with a 10mg blue or sometimes 2 10mg blues, better than fucking codeine I know that much. You can thank me for that tip sometime in the future I'm sure.
 
Haha I hope not. I've never been to jail when I've had a habit, just 12 hours for suspicion of theft, but I can imagine it being fucking horrible. I had thought about that though and thought I'd throw a pretend seizure saying it's DT's.
If you're locked up do you get your meds like normal or do you have to wait until they bail you or throw you in jail properly and they speak to your drug service?
I've also heard of people on high meth doses being given a few DFs to get by on, as if they're gonna make a dent.
 
How's the quality round some of your guys/ gals neck of the woods atm.? Is all back to pre drought strength. Or is it shitty stepped on watery, red, weak crap? Just wondered how other county's are at present?
 
methadone is shit. i swear its changed and become a more dopey thing than it used to be. horrible stuff. its no substitute at all. years back id feel a bit lively after a few days on it, nope. i just feel heavy depressed and hanging constantly from it. sometimes cant even open my eyes at all, and not gouching, other times i just cannot settle. it jsut seems different. im scoring tomorrow, thats for sure. yeah, decent quality/
 
Yup that's the shit bang on fubar about solidifying. Luckily I've not seen that shit since drought ISH days. Fucking evil stuff.
 
After actually making some effort for once my standard attempt at a January purge has seen me using relatively few drugs notwithstanding my methadone, which , perhaps indicative of a genuine if slight, reduction in tolerance allowed me to get 'high' for arguably the first time by misusing the script - understandably I tend to keep at least one spare dose to hand so last weekend I managed to get through the Saturday without taking anything. By Sunday morning I was in real physical need for some poppies but even after going through that awful realisation and experience one gets when opening there eyes to a rattle (my first in ages due to the MMT) my WD symptoms were limited to the first wave of the syndrome, yawns, sneezing and freezing sweats which once up and about became less of an issue, remaining noticeable enough to reinforce how scared I am of coming off methadone compared to heroin.

Despite my relapses and general difficulties in staying completely away from heroin when physically 'clean' I have always found my many self imposed cold turkeys manageable as regardless of how sick I may become, I have always found myself feeling better by day 6 and can usually recover my sleep cycle by day 7 or 8 and while I have never considered it easy, I did fashion methods that when employed properly could guarantee at least 12 days away from the drug (my self detox attempts were usually successful a 1/3 of the time, the other 2 resulting in my cracking around day 3, the point at which my discomfort is as bad as it gets before my physical and mental capacity renders it impossible to engage in a street drug deal). For all the trouble I had stopping the one thing I have never got right is to not start again.

So with regards to a drug who's WD effects did not even start to become pronounced until about 40 hours from last dose one can only speculate how long the absence of that shit is going to hurt for but by binge watching some Netflix I continued to put up with the baby rattle (surely I am not the first to use this double entendre) until way into Sunday afternoon, finally hitting up 100mg (2 and 1/2 times my Rx'd dose) alongside 2mg of clonazepam, which after 40m mins or so saw me nod out properly and while the glow and quality of the exprience was not as good as the ones I have had with heroin, the fact that I managed to get this from my Rx for the first time was impressive enough to keep me going for another week,

The tiny amount I got this morning, while reminding me why this has to end sooner rather than later (it took me 3 attempts to register and shoot) was I am sad to say, absolutely beautiful and with the second bag on a plate I am feeling good enough to at least waffle on here, in contrast to my usual laziness in communicating with others while trying to break free of my semi - self imposed silence and isolation. Viva La Revolution!
 
It seems like, long term, you're heading in the right direction @steewith2ees
40mg isn't a lot, and as long as you can stick around there and not go up, great! There's nothing wrong with staying where you are for a while until you can convince yourself to progress.
I am scared of coming off the 'done, but if and (hopefully!) when i decide to get off it, I'll be going at my own pace, trying for small, unnoticeable drops from my 80ml a day to nuffin, or maybe switch to bupe towards the end if I'm struggling.
 
After actually making some effort for once my standard attempt at a January purge has seen me using relatively few drugs notwithstanding my methadone, which , perhaps indicative of a genuine if slight, reduction in tolerance allowed me to get 'high' for arguably the first time by misusing the script - understandably I tend to keep at least one spare dose to hand so last weekend I managed to get through the Saturday without taking anything. By Sunday morning I was in real physical need for some poppies but even after going through that awful realisation and experience one gets when opening there eyes to a rattle (my first in ages due to the MMT) my WD symptoms were limited to the first wave of the syndrome, yawns, sneezing and freezing sweats which once up and about became less of an issue, remaining noticeable enough to reinforce how scared I am of coming off methadone compared to heroin.

Despite my relapses and general difficulties in staying completely away from heroin when physically 'clean' I have always found my many self imposed cold turkeys manageable as regardless of how sick I may become, I have always found myself feeling better by day 6 and can usually recover my sleep cycle by day 7 or 8 and while I have never considered it easy, I did fashion methods that when employed properly could guarantee at least 12 days away from the drug (my self detox attempts were usually successful a 1/3 of the time, the other 2 resulting in my cracking around day 3, the point at which my discomfort is as bad as it gets before my physical and mental capacity renders it impossible to engage in a street drug deal). For all the trouble I had stopping the one thing I have never got right is to not start again.

So with regards to a drug who's WD effects did not even start to become pronounced until about 40 hours from last dose one can only speculate how long the absence of that shit is going to hurt for but by binge watching some Netflix I continued to put up with the baby rattle (surely I am not the first to use this double entendre) until way into Sunday afternoon, finally hitting up 100mg (2 and 1/2 times my Rx'd dose) alongside 2mg of clonazepam, which after 40m mins or so saw me nod out properly and while the glow and quality of the exprience was not as good as the ones I have had with heroin, the fact that I managed to get this from my Rx for the first time was impressive enough to keep me going for another week,

The tiny amount I got this morning, while reminding me why this has to end sooner rather than later (it took me 3 attempts to register and shoot) was I am sad to say, absolutely beautiful and with the second bag on a plate I am feeling good enough to at least waffle on here, in contrast to my usual laziness in communicating with others while trying to break free of my semi - self imposed silence and isolation. Viva La Revolution!
Methadone withdrawal can last up to 3 months on a very high dose when taken for many years. With your dose(60 mg, or is it more now?) you can expect one month of hell at least. Even when tapering down to 5 mg people have trouble for atleast 1-2 wes with the withdrawal. At that tiny of a dose a heroin(=morphine) withdrawal would take maybe 2 days max. 5 mg of oral methadone converts to about 40 mg of oral morphine ,thats the standart conversion rate herein germany when switching a patient from oral methadone to oral morphine substitution,we have a lot of polamidon=levomethadon in germany which is twice as strong a tends to give a cleaner high,but is missing most of the nmda properties, as the right isomer of methadone is a (weak) nmda antagonist,so the conversion rate is 1:16. This shows how strong oral (levo)methadone is compared to morphine/heroin and explains why many people dont really get high from dope no more even after dont taking their dose for 2 days.

Even though the receptors arent blocked no more by the methadone(methadone= higher affinity to the opioid receptors than heroin) people dont get very high when they normally take 100+ mg of methadone as their tolerance is so damn high. 100 mg of methadone means about 800 mg of oral morphine. Oral morphine has about 30 % bioavailability so its about 270 mg of IV morphine or 135 mg of Iv (pure) heroin. Smoked heroin has about 50% bioavailability,but theres some loss every time, so lets say 40 %. So you need about 300 mg of pure smoked heroin,which at 30 % purity(which is a solid purity on the black market) is about 900mg- 1 gram of heroin. So you need a gram of smoked heroin or slightly less than half of that to substitute 100 mg of methadone. Of course that dose will get you a better,more euphoric high,but in terms of opioid receptor saturation, its the same.
 
Has everyone else back at predrought quality, or has the greed took over alot people/ city's. It took way to long but I assume most of UK is back to normal by now. ?
 
Good to see you're still well/alive stee. I remember u from my regular days. Sounds like your doing well mate. I hope your home situation has improved somewhat. Staysafe
 
Found a scrap piece of foil this morning I've walked past 1,000 times & it was wrecked. I picked it up for some reason well early this morning as I'm not sleeping all that great & it was covered in gear??!!?!?!?! It's like as if God was testing me in some way.
 
Good to see you're still well/alive stee. I remember u from my regular days. Sounds like your doing well mate. I hope your home situation has improved somewhat. Staysafe

Good to see you posting, long story short I am still going nowhere fast but if not well I am at the very least alive, an achievement in itself considering everything despite my reliance on luck not judgment...
 
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