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Film What's the Last Film You Saw? v. Tell Us What You Thought!

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CoastTwoCoast said:
I see it in a completely different way now. A ballerina became completely consumed by her role. A dark force slowly possessed her as the film went along until the possession was complete. It was her alter ego that wanted to take over her entire life. It was sad actually. Many celebrities are struggling with that in real life.
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I thought the film was much deeper than that and commentary on how we expect women to be sexless, 'perfect' little girls, yet want them to be sexual animals, lustful and giving of their bodies. It's about her character dealing with this conflict, that you can't be 'mommies little princess' and an absolute slut at the same time. We expect women to be walking paradoxes.

I'm not sure if your spiritual views skewed that for you, but that was my take away. There was no possession, no 'dark force' or alter ego overcoming her, only man's lust for sex pulling her in opposing directions, and eventually killing her.

CoastTwoCoast said:
I didn't remember seeing that lesbian scene before with Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis. That was really hot. Wow.
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It's an incredibly erotic scene, best sex scene I've scene in a genuine movie; the scene where Natalie Portman masturbate is even more so though. It's hard for me to sit still when watching that masturbation scene, I just wana leap up go out and find her and fuck her absolute brains out.
 
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Cream Gravy? said:
I thought the film was much deeper than that and commentary on how we expect women to be sexless, 'perfect' little girls, yet want them to be sexual animals, lustful and giving of their bodies. It's about her character dealing with this conflict, that you can't be 'mommies little princess' and an absolute slut at the same time. We expect women to be walking paradoxes.

I'm not sure if your spiritual views skewed that for you, but that was my take away. There was no possession, no 'dark force' or alter ego overcoming her, only man's lust for sex pulling her in opposing directions, and eventually killing her.


It's an incredibly erotic scene, best sex scene I've scene in a genuine movie; the scene where Natalie Portman masturbate is even more so though. It's hard for me to sit still when watching that masturbation scene, I just wana leap up go out and find her and fuck her absolute brains out.
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For others, don't read if you don't want spoilers.

I respect your opinion on how you see things, but my spiritual views didn't skew anything. I saw it perfectly clear. Remember how Natalie Portman kept seeing and hearing things? It looked like she was on a bad acid trip. That was the dark forces messing with her throughout the film. She totally lost herself as a person in the end. She was fighting with her darker, alter ego that tricked her by taking the form of Mila Kunis in the end. Remember how she thought she stabbed Mila Kunis, but then she realized she actually stabbed herself? That's why she died at the end of the play.

Oh and when the alter ego completely took over in her final performance, she became extremely lustful and passionately kissed her ballet teacher. That was a sure sign she was possessed. It was totally out of character for her. Her normal self was very shy and reserved. The darker spirit is sexualized and lustful.

It was very sad because it told the reality of the spiritual battle celebrities face. For celebrities to reach the level of success and fame they have, they eventually let that darker force/alter ego take over. That's how they perform so well and become rich, but they lose themselves entirely. Fame and money are not worth your soul. I do not envy celebrities at all. They are basically slaves.
 
I agree that the movie definitely comes across as a horror/thriller/suspense film, and the hallucinations she has supports that, I just don’t think that was the actually meaning of the film, simply a vehicle for the message.

I also don’t think all celebrities have given themselves over to some possession or alter ego in order to achieve fame.

But I digress, we agree that it’s a great film. I’ve watched it at least five times and probably will five more times so I’m sure there will be more little things I ponder and consider as alternatives. I see something new each viewing.
 
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Cream Gravy? said:
I agree that the movie definitely comes across as a horror/thriller/suspense film, and the hallucinations she has supports that, I just don’t think that was the actually meaning of the film, simply a vehicle for the message.

I also don’t think all celebrities have given themselves over to some possession or alter ego in order to achieve fame. I think you see things that aren’t there often times.

But I digress, we agree that it’s a great film. I’ve watched it at least five times and probably will five more times so I’m sure there will be more little things I ponder and consider as alternatives. I see something new each viewing.
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I first watched the movie many years ago. I saw it the way you do now. Once you learn more about the spiritual world, you see things differently. There's nothing wrong with your view. I imagine it's hard for you to understand mine, but I attempted to explain it anyway. Just don't try to imply I'm delusional or something because it's insulting and certainly not true. You don't see it my way, that's perfectly fine.

I'm glad you liked the film too! It's definitely worth watching multiple times. :)
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Just don't try to imply I'm delusional or something because it's insulting and certainly not true.
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I'm sorry if I came across as condescending in any capacity, that wasn't my intent.

I too took away different things upon second, third, fourth viewings. I just saw it as a suspense/thriller movie the first time, the commentary about women and our views of their sexuality/chastity went completely over my head till the second viewing.

It's why I buy good movies on Bluray these days, I like to find those little things I missed the first time. And sometimes, it can take many viewings to find them all.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I'm sorry if I came across as condescending in any capacity, that wasn't my intent.

I too took away different things upon second, third, fourth viewings. I just saw it as a suspense/thriller movie the first time, the commentary about women and our views of their sexuality/chastity went completely over my head till the second viewing.

It's why I buy good movies on Bluray these days, I like to find those little things I missed the first time. And sometimes, it can take many viewings to find them all.
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It's all good. No worries. Her mom was super creepy, way too obsessive.
 
This is an excellent analysis of Black Swan. Not disregarding anyone's interpretation of the film. It gives a deeper explanation for those of us who see it a certain way.

vigilantcitizen.com

The Occult Interpretation of the Movie “Black Swan” and Its Message on Show Business

“Black Swan” is an intense psychological thriller describing a ballet dancer’s metamorphosis into the “Black Swan”. Behind the movie’s freaky facade lies a profound commentary on the cost of fame, the sacrifice of artists and the hidden forces behind the shady world of high-stakes entertainment...
vigilantcitizen.com vigilantcitizen.com
 
I gave that article a quick skim; while it does have some interesting and valid points about the film, I think it’s a bit biased especially once they start going on about that mind-control programming stuff (which they mention is their “thing” on that site). I get it, a person has to give of themselves greatly to achieve acclaim generally, and people like Harvey Weinstein have only reinforced your point of view on this matter (the fucking prick was involved in producing so many of my favorite films, it saddens me), but I still disagree about the message of Black Swan.

I have realized you and I will always interpret movies differently, as many people do (I’d actually like to hear your interpretation of Kubrick's final film, Eyes Wide Shut) and will. That’s what’s fun about film. It’s why musicians and directors like to leave questions unanswered so that people can make what they will. Straight forward plots and songs really bore me at this point in life.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I gave that article a quick skim; while it does have some interesting and valid points about the film, I think it’s a bit biased especially once they start going on about that mind-control programming stuff (which they mention is their “thing” on that site). I get it, a person has to give of themselves greatly to achieve acclaim generally, and people like Harvey Weinstein have only reinforced your point of view on this matter (the fucking prick was involved in producing so many of my favorite films, it saddens me), but I still disagree about the message of Black Swan.

I have realized you and I will always interpret movies differently, as many people do (I’d actually like to hear your interpretation of Kubrick's final film, Eyes Wide Shut) and will. That’s what’s fun about film. It’s why musicians and directors like to leave questions unanswered so that people can make what they will. Straight forward plots and songs really bore me at this point in life.
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The "mind-controlling programming stuff" isn't speculation. It's a fact and it's happening. It's been happening. I gave my interpretation of the film before finding that article. It's a relief that someone else is wide awake to the disgusting agenda being flaunted right in front of our face.

I understand your view of things though. No one would automatically see the mind-control going on and all of the symbols unless you started becoming spiritual and notice the signs more and more. Harvey Weinstein isn't even the biggest reason my views are confirmed. The demonic symbolism and mind-control is everywhere. I'm now making it a game of pointing it out and at least trying to enlighten others along the way.

The all seeing "Eye Of Horus" is constantly revealed by celebrities. It's major evidence of mind-control going on. They're bold to put it out there in plain sight because people are not paying attention. It's openly showing worship of Lucifer. It's not a coincidence all these images depict the same thing:


Have you seen Eyes Wide Shut? I still haven't yet, but I'm interested now. I didn't even know Stanley Kubrick was dead! I've never followed his films, but others say he was clearly showing what's going on in the secret society and their satanic rituals. What's really creepy and concerning to me is he died right after making Eyes Wide Shut. He died within the same year the movie came out. I wouldn't be surprised if he was taken out because he revealed too much.

Tom Cruise's character is oblivious to what is really going on around him, just like many people are now.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Have you seen Eyes Wide Shut? I still haven't yet, but I'm interested now. I didn't even know Stanley Kubrick was dead! I've never followed his films, but others say he was clearly showing what's going on in the secret society and their satanic rituals. What's really creepy and concerning to me is he died right after making Eyes Wide Shut. He died within the same year the movie came out. I wouldn't be surprised if he was taken out because he revealed too much.

Tom Cruise's character is oblivious to what is really going on around him, just like many people are now.
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Yes, I have it on Bluray, another film I've dissected at least 5 times. Masterpiece that investigates the paradox of human sexual nature and monogamy. In fact it's a toss up between that and the Director's Cut of Blade Runner for me on what my favorite film is, a film that truly makes you question yourself. I especially got a lot from it once I was married myself, and have struggled with sexual desires. Some might argue that Kubrick's directing techniques caused Cruise and Kidman to divorce only a year or two later.

That's why I'm asking if you've seen it; many people interpret it many ways. And actually, Kubrick died only a month before the release of the film and some speculate that Warner Bros edited out the more occult parts of the film and made it into what I now gather from it, a simple (yet complex) exploration of how we deal with the fact that we want monogamy yet crave sex with so many others.

Others think it's about occultism and sexual slavery. Some people cite things in the film that I still can't find making me believe they've deluded themselves. Some have said it's simply about Cruise finding out that he's homosexual (too simple I feel that theory has the least ground). Some say it's an expose about the Illuminati/NWO type things. Some say there was supposed to be far more occult stuff in the most famous scene of the film. I've watched it tripping on heavy doses of acid and I still interpret it as an exploration of the monogamy paradox; your views on acid might then infer that I was misguided but I think in fact it allowed me to see the true nature of the film. It's one of my favorite films to discuss since Kubrick died before the release; we have no idea what he really wanted to tell us, and can't ask. I think he was just an old man trying to express his own sexual conflicts and work them out through his art medium, and used a novella he enjoyed as a vehicle for that exploration.

Kubrick's films all rank among my top ten pretty much. A Clockwork Orange, 2001, Barry Lyndon... I was only disappointed by Lolita, but others who've read the novel have said it's not really 'filmable'. I don't think any of his films have anything to do with NWO type stuff though. They're all just masterfully executed. 2001 is an exploration of God. A Clockwork Orange makes you question why we accept violence in TV and movies yet condemn those who actually engage in it. Barry Lyndon is simply the best period piece of all time.

I could go on and on and on about his films. I still haven't seen his first film which he didn't want people to see, felt it was crap, but it's on Prime right now. His earlier films aren't quite as good as the late 60s onward, but they're still good, mostly films about how evil and stupid war is. Path's of Glory and Doctor Stangelove leap to mind.

"Mein Fuhrer, I can vvalk!"
 
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I would argue in the case of Eyes Wide Shut that Occam's Razor applies heavily. After trying to figure it out so many times, being married and sexually frustrated brought me to the simplest answer.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Yes, I have it on Bluray, another film I've dissected at least 5 times. Masterpiece that investigates the paradox of human sexual nature and monogamy. In fact it's a toss up between that and the Director's Cut of Blade Runner for me on what my favorite film is, a film that truly makes you question yourself. I especially got a lot from it once I was married myself, and have struggled with sexual desires. Some might argue that Kubrick's directing techniques caused Cruise and Kidman to divorce only a year or two later.

That's why I'm asking if you've seen it; many people interpret it many ways. And actually, Kubrick died only a month before the release of the film and some speculate that Warner Bros edited out the more occult parts of the film and made it into what I now gather from it, a simple (yet complex) exploration of how we deal with the fact that we want monogamy yet crave sex with so many others.

Others think it's about occultism and sexual slavery. Some people cite things in the film that I still can't find making me believe they've deluded themselves. Some say it's an expose about the Illuminati/NWO type things. Some say there was supposed to be far more occult stuff in the most famous scene of the film. I've watched it tripping on heavy doses of acid and I still interpret it as an exploration of the monogamy paradox; your views on acid might then infer that I was misguided but I think in fact it allowed me to see the true nature of the film.

Kubrick's films all rank among my top ten pretty much. A Clockwork Orange, 2001, Barry Lyndon... I was only disappointed by Lolita, but others who've read the novel have said it's not really 'filmable'. I don't think any of his films have anything to do with NWO type stuff though. They're all just masterfully executed. 2001 is an exploration of God. A Clockwork Orange makes you question why we accept violence in TV and movies yet condemn those who actually engage in it. Barry Lyndon is simply the best period piece of all time.

I could go on and on and on about his films. I still haven't seen his first film which he didn't want people to see, felt it was crap, but it's on Prime right now. His earlier films aren't quite as good as the late 60s onward, but they're still good, mostly films about how evil and stupid war is. Path's of Glory and Doctor Stangelove leap to mind.

"Mein Fuhrer, I can vvalk!"
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So they even went out of their way to heavily edit Eyes Wide Shut because of the occult ties? He made it clear the elite are pedophiles and satanists. I'm 99.9% sure they killed that man. Sad.

What do you think about The Shining? You didn't mention that one. Funny thing about The Shining is I remember bits and pieces of it. Someone said there is clearly a poster of a butterfly during a scene with the little boy. Butterflies are a symbol of Monarch mind-control. I know that film has heavy ties with the programming. I vaguely remember it though. I might watch it again one day. It just makes me feel sick to my stomach now that I'm aware of what's going on.
 
Watched The Shining for like the tenth time last week actually. I love it, Steven King says it deviates heavily from his book but I don't read his books and I'm sure Kubrick did a better job with it than he ever could.

I think The Shining actually leaves more up to interpretation than Eyes Wide Shut did honestly. The final scenes of the film are very much supportive of your type of thinking I'd say. To me, it was just a well executed horror film about the way evil can sink into a place and possess those that linger in it. The sins that were committed in the hotel eventually built up so much that it began consuming the souls of those who stayed there.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
So they even went out of their way to heavily edit Eyes Wide Shut because of the occult ties?
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I'm still unsure about this. Many people would say yes, I'm on the fence. See my prior post regarding how marriage caused me to apply Occam's Razor to my interpretation.

God, now I wana take some acid and review these films.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
Watched The Shining for like the tenth time last week actually. I love it, Steven King says it deviates heavily from his book but I don't read his books and I'm sure Kubrick did a better job with it than he ever could.

I think The Shining actually leaves more up to interpretation than Eyes Wide Shut did honestly. The final scenes of the film are very much supportive of your type of thinking I'd say. To me, it was just a well executed horror film about the way evil can sink into a place and possess those that linger in it. The sins that were committed in the hotel eventually built up so much that it began consuming the souls of those who stayed there.
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Nicholson is a mystery to me. That man definitely knows something. In that article I showed you about Black Swan, it said Nicholson warned Heath Ledger about how that Joker role could completely consume him. He said Heath didn't know what he was getting into. Then as we know, he ended up dead.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Nicholson is a mystery to me. That man definitely knows something. In that article I showed you about Black Swan, it said Nicholson warned Heath Ledger about how that Joker role could completely consume him. He said Heath didn't know what he was getting into. Then as we know, he ended up dead.
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That's an interesting thought.

I got a Saturday D-hall in 9th grade for calling Ledger a faggot (my father is very anti-LGBT/heavily Catholic and I guess I channeled him as I'd never call anyone a fag today) because of his role in Brokeback Mountain lol.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
That's an interesting thought.

I got a Saturday D-hall in 9th grade for calling Ledger a faggot (my father is very anti-LGBT/heavily Catholic and I guess I channeled him as I'd never call anyone a fag today) because of his role in Brokeback Mountain lol.
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Hahaha wtf. Well I hope you learned your lesson, young man! This is going on your permanent record.
 
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