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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread: 3-MeO 4 Leaf Clover

Yeah, I prefer 3-MeO-PCE by a large margin. In fact I would like ttop obtain some more for the stash, but I don't plan to get 3-MeO-PCP ever again (I would do a bump here and there if offered).

3-MeO-PCE is quite serene, it reminds me of the baseline content/empathogenic state of MXE, without the wonkiness and magic. I find it to not be a deceptive drug (other than to th extent that all dissos can be), whereas 3-MeO-PCP is perhaps the most deceptive drug I've done.
 
So, I just posted a pretty long thread about my history with 3-MeO-PCP and some thoughts about its neuroplasticity that have been stewing in my brain for a few years. I decided to make a new thread since it's so long, but I'd appreciate it if anyone interested would give it a read here. I started slowly browsing through this thread about a week ago (not going to sign myself up for reading the previous 3, there's so much material), but I only made it as far as like page 2 before I couldn't hold myself back from finally signing up for Bluelight and putting some thoughts to paper.
 
Well hey there, welcome, I'm glad you joined,. :) I really enjoyed your MXPr report you posted, well done. :) I haven't read your thread yet, it's been super busy for me this week and this weekend I'll be gone... but I'll catch up eventually.
 
I had a rather unsettling experience when consuming THC on top of 3-HO-PCP and 3-MeO-PCP. I had a panic attack, which is not in and of itself noteworthy, that happens to me from time to time when I ingest a bit too much THC. I just ride it out. This one, however, was turbo-charged by PCP analogues.I had my usual symptoms, strong shockwave-like feelings passing through my body, increased heart-rate, temperature issues (sweating like crazy and 5 minutes later shaking in cold, repeated for an hour or so), and that general feeling of impending doom. It was far more intense than on THC alone, and sometimes I had a hard time keeping it together. Other times I was able to look at it truly objectively due to the dissociatives. I wrote down the times in which the experience transitioned from taking all of my clothes off to cool off in response to profuse sweating, to me putting them all back on and bundling up in a blanket to ward off extreme shivering & muscle shaking from feeling cold. At another point I sat and calmly meditated to pass the time as the uncomfortable feelings came and went. I could never do this in this past in this state, my thoughts would race too much.

While all that was happening, something far more sinister was occurring. I began having a series of delusions that I suspect was 3-MeO-PCP's contribution to the experience. I looked at my orange cat's eyes, and their blackness and some terrible feeling of dread made me convinced he was inhabited by Satan. I tried not to look at his eyes for the next hour or so, doing so resulted in feeling of dread and the very real concern that if I dwelt on those thoughts and feelings too long I would get sucked into something, with possibly disastrous consequences. Certain, seemingly random, objects in my apartment felt as if they had an evil presence lurking inside, watching me. I began to get paranoid. I began hearing auditory hallucinations, people talking in the whir of computer fans, low wooshing sounds coming from my speakers (that was particularly disturbing).

I had to constantly force myself to try to focus on a TV show instead of getting sucked into the weird thoughts and delusions. It is best described as being in a waking nightmare, suddenly having thoughts and precepts that made no sense and came out of nowhere, and that persistent sense of something bad or evil lurking in wait. That lasted about 2 hours (but felt 2-3x longer), until the Ativan I took early on began to kick in, and the THC wore off. I have a feeling these sorts of things could happen on a higher dose of 3-MeO-PCP, and last much longer. This time, I had snorted 2mg 3-4 times in the course of the day (same dose and frequency for the 3-HO-PCP. I have moderate tolerance). This definitely gives me pause about dosing too high on this stuff, as well as combining THC with it. Had wonderful experiences with THC and 3-HO-PCP, so I'm fairly sure this was due in no small part to the 3-MeO; it just had that feeling about it.
 
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I miss this compound but at the same time I feel like I got what I needed to learn out of it for the time being. A deliciously cold and dusky vibe to this one. It's like the brutally honest thoughts that ooze out of your subconscious as you drift in to the twilight zone between waking and sleep. Made me feel like a trickster character from oral traditions, cackling and thinking of the absurdity of existence as a joy to be shared. Tbh I would rather get ahold of this than K if I were to do a dissociative impulsively for hedonistic purposes.
 
t4exanadu said:
I had a rather unsettling experience when consuming THC on top of 3-HO-PCP and 3-MeO-PCP. I had a panic attack, which is not in and of itself noteworthy, that happens to me from time to time when I ingest a bit too much THC. I just ride it out. This one, however, was turbo-charged by PCP analogues.I had my usual symptoms, strong shockwave-like feelings passing through my body, increased heart-rate, temperature issues (sweating like crazy and 5 minutes later shaking in cold, repeated for an hour or so), and that general feeling of impending doom. It was far more intense than on THC alone, and sometimes I had a hard time keeping it together. Other times I was able to look at it truly objectively due to the dissociatives. I wrote down the times in which the experience transitioned from taking all of my clothes off to cool off in response to profuse sweating, to me putting them all back on and bundling up in a blanket to ward off extreme shivering & muscle shaking from feeling cold. At another point I sat and calmly meditated to pass the time as the uncomfortable feelings came and went. I could never do this in this past in this state, my thoughts would race too much.

While all that was happening, something far more sinister was occurring. I began having a series of delusions that I suspect was 3-MeO-PCP's contribution to the experience. I looked at my orange cat's eyes, and their blackness and some terrible feeling of dread made me convinced he was inhabited by Satan. I tried not to look at his eyes for the next hour or so, doing so resulted in feeling of dread and the very real concern that if I dwelt on those thoughts and feelings too long I would get sucked into something, with possibly disastrous consequences. Certain, seemingly random, objects in my apartment felt as if they had an evil presence lurking inside, watching me. I began to get paranoid. I began hearing auditory hallucinations, people talking in the whir of computer fans, low wooshing sounds coming from my speakers (that was particularly disturbing).

I had to constantly force myself to try to focus on a TV show instead of getting sucked into the weird thoughts and delusions. It is best described as being in a waking nightmare, suddenly having thoughts and precepts that made no sense and came out of nowhere, and that persistent sense of something bad or evil lurking in wait. That lasted about 2 hours (but felt 2-3x longer), until the Ativan I took early on began to kick in, and the THC wore off. I have a feeling these sorts of things could happen on a higher dose of 3-MeO-PCP, and last much longer. This time, I had snorted 2mg 3-4 times in the course of the day (same dose and frequency for the 3-HO-PCP. I have moderate tolerance). This definitely gives me pause about dosing too high on this stuff, as well as combining THC with it. Had wonderful experiences with THC and 3-HO-PCP, so I'm fairly sure this was due in no small part to the 3-MeO; it just had that feeling about it.
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I hate combining marijuana and dissociatives, it's just way, way too much amplification, and it adds a very anxious element to it (marijuana is the most prone to causing of anxiety of almost any drug, for me, even on its own). Every time I add THC to a disso, it goes from lovely and calm to overwhelming and paranoid/anxious.
 
t4exanadu said:
I had a rather unsettling experience when consuming THC on top of 3-HO-PCP and 3-MeO-PCP. I had a panic attack, which is not in and of itself noteworthy, that happens to me from time to time when I ingest a bit too much THC. I just ride it out. This one, however, was turbo-charged by PCP analogues.I had my usual symptoms, strong shockwave-like feelings passing through my body, increased heart-rate, temperature issues (sweating like crazy and 5 minutes later shaking in cold, repeated for an hour or so), and that general feeling of impending doom. It was far more intense than on THC alone, and sometimes I had a hard time keeping it together. Other times I was able to look at it truly objectively due to the dissociatives. I wrote down the times in which the experience transitioned from taking all of my clothes off to cool off in response to profuse sweating, to me putting them all back on and bundling up in a blanket to ward off extreme shivering & muscle shaking from feeling cold. At another point I sat and calmly meditated to pass the time as the uncomfortable feelings came and went. I could never do this in this past in this state, my thoughts would race too much.

While all that was happening, something far more sinister was occurring. I began having a series of delusions that I suspect was 3-MeO-PCP's contribution to the experience. I looked at my orange cat's eyes, and their blackness and some terrible feeling of dread made me convinced he was inhabited by Satan. I tried not to look at his eyes for the next hour or so, doing so resulted in feeling of dread and the very real concern that if I dwelt on those thoughts and feelings too long I would get sucked into something, with possibly disastrous consequences. Certain, seemingly random, objects in my apartment felt as if they had an evil presence lurking inside, watching me. I began to get paranoid. I began hearing auditory hallucinations, people talking in the whir of computer fans, low wooshing sounds coming from my speakers (that was particularly disturbing).

I had to constantly force myself to try to focus on a TV show instead of getting sucked into the weird thoughts and delusions. It is best described as being in a waking nightmare, suddenly having thoughts and precepts that made no sense and came out of nowhere, and that persistent sense of something bad or evil lurking in wait. That lasted about 2 hours (but felt 2-3x longer), until the Ativan I took early on began to kick in, and the THC wore off. I have a feeling these sorts of things could happen on a higher dose of 3-MeO-PCP, and last much longer. This time, I had snorted 2mg 3-4 times in the course of the day (same dose and frequency for the 3-HO-PCP. I have moderate tolerance). This definitely gives me pause about dosing too high on this stuff, as well as combining THC with it. Had wonderful experiences with THC and 3-HO-PCP, so I'm fairly sure this was due in no small part to the 3-MeO; it just had that feeling about it.
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I've had a very similar experience combining 3-meo-pcp, a little mxe, and weed. An anxiety/panic attack started and quickly turned into a fight against being possessed by a demon. Was it real? Who knows. But it felt real as fuck, and I had to fight it for just about an hour.
 
This didn't involve weed but I also had the experience on 15mg of 3-MeO-PCP that "I" was, or had become, something else... I think I posted about it a lot earlier in this very thread, but I remember really vividly observing the entity that was controlling my body, and thinking, over and over again, "if that's not me, then what am I?" :oops:

It was deeply, deeply harrowing, and I could totally understand with a few more substances in the mix, or even just a higher dose, it would manifest as a feeling of some kind of demonic possession.

It's really interesting how similar the reports are of sensations are that people have on this substance, I think.
 
Xorkoth said:
I hate combining marijuana and dissociatives, it's just way, way too much amplification, and it adds a very anxious element to it (marijuana is the most prone to causing of anxiety of almost any drug, for me, even on its own). Every time I add THC to a disso, it goes from lovely and calm to overwhelming and paranoid/anxious.
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I think really think it's dependent on the amount of THC you're adding to the mix, but even a weak strain of weed or tiny amount of hash oil can make me feel shaky for a period, even if I otherwise feel great. The body buzz can be amazing... until the anxiety and other stuff starts to kick in. I had a lovely time after smoking a bowl on the comedown of a moderate dose of 3-HO-PCP. Waves of pleasure rolling through me, and I had some kind of synesthesia where I saw this aura of light radiating from me and experienced it as the feeling of bliss. So, so much different than what happened to me last night! That experience still haunts today, much like when I have a very vivid and terrifying nightmare. It was like an H.P. Lovecraft trip, that feeling that reality was not what you thought it was, and underlying it was some kind of invisible and evil force, made manifest in my house cats and inanimate objects. 3-MeO-PCP is some sneaky shit.
 
I personally love cannabis with DXM and MXE, and I have loved it with 3-meo-pcp, as well. It makes the experience so much more "full" for me.
 
3-MeO-PCP is the only dissociative I don't enjoy whatsoever with cannabis. 3-MeO-PCE, on the other hand, was really a smooth experience with cannabis. It's generally in the days after taking a dissociative that cannabis isn't enjoyable, it's like my tolerance to it has been completely reset and the experience is uncomfortably strong.

There's only been one time on dissociatives where I had a possession type of experience, interestingly it was the same day a horror movie came out. My girlfriend talked me out of seeing it, so we just watched a movie at her house that night. I did what was a normal dose of MXE for me at the time and ended up shaking and feeling a demonic presence, we got up and walked around outside and then I was fine.

The same girlfriend had a similar experience on 3-MeO-PCP after doing it for a few days straight. Ever since then she doesn't really take dissociatives. I don't really think too much into these experiences though, other than that in the moment they can be quite frightening.
 
I pretty much universally get uncomfortable with dissos and marijuana, but also I'm generally a lot less comfortable with marijuana in general as I get older, I just find it to produce a lot of anxiety compared to almost every other drug, unless the setting is right. It's easier for me to take LSD than marijuana these days. Didn't used to be that way. No idea why it changed. So I may be a little biased.
 
Someone should remind me, which is more potent, the 3-meo-PCP or the 3-meo-PCE? I seem to recall they are about the same in dosing but one of them is a smidgen weaker... think that was the ethyl one
 
At equivalent doses 3-MeO-PCE is more visual and physically immobilizing while 3-MeO-PCP is more stimulating and packs more dissociation. That's been my experience at least.
 
I find 3-MeO-PCE about half as potent as 3-MeO-PCP, or maybe a little more, but -PCP is certainly more potent. However, subjectively I much prefer the -PCE.
 
The first panic attack I ever experienced was when coming down from my first 3-meo-pcp experience. I had ingested an edible to go to sleep about 5-6 hours after ingesting my last dose of the 3-meo (I took small doses of around 3mg every 2 hours throughout the day, until evening where I snorted a good 10mg line), and while waiting for the edible to kick in I smoked some DMT (does anyone else love the 3-meo-pcp + DMT combo as much as I do?!), and then meditated afterwards before bed... that's when the edible started kicking in, and led me to believe the 3-meo-pcp was giving me a heart attack. I ended up riding it out, but had my neighbor drive me to the hospital as I was sure I was going to die (never actually went in, but just waited to have a heart attack outside). Horrible experience, which has made me more cautious ingesting THC with dissociatives. Sometimes they mix well, and other times they don't...

I wish I had a source for the 3-meo-pcp (or the PCE), but luckily I was gifted 2 grams of it for free a couple years back and it has lasted me ever since. Unfortunately, I've been recently using it to potentiate my shots of heroin, so I feel like I'm wasting it at this point... but I'm trying to take a break soon. Does tolerance build up fast with this compound? I've been insufflating it almost every day for the past month (5-10mg doses), and have definitely noticed a tolerance build up. I'm a professor, and this compound is actually a nice alternative to benzodiazepines when I feel anxious about teaching a class/topic I'm not that well versed in.... 3-5mg before class does wonders for my social anxiety. Anybody else found this to be the case?

Also, why is it that at higher doses I always feel like I'm dying? Is that a common theme with this compound? The single most intense experience of my life was a few months ago when I was at a Dead and Company show in which I dosed 100mics of LSD + 100mics of ALD-52, and then two hours later ingested 10mg of the 3-meo-pcp orally... never have a I been so high in my life, and the 3-meo definitely transformed everything into one of the most religious/mystical experiences I've ever had - made me believe in a creator/god for the next week afterward (and I'm a pretty militant atheist).
 
Yea 3-MeO super potentiates every psych + weed IME.

High doses feeling like dying is a yes over here, though I was always more prone to feeling possessed than feeling like I was dying.

And RE: 3-MeO-PCP and DMT, holy shit, YES! I loooooove that combo. One of my best DMT trips ever was on a base of 3-MeO-PCP.

And I found 3-MeO-PCP to be good for social anxiety in that I would get manic and feel invincible. No room for anxiety when you feel like superman.
 
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