Opioids Dihydrocodeine

[draculic acid69]

Hydro is subtle, take 24mg-48 (if you've got a heavy tolerance), and trust me, you'll change your opinion. oxy and H have similar starting Highs so thats why they tie for yah, the dhc vs codeine though never really compared, but i do eat my 90 60mg codeines like candy though. they certainly help, but thats because they simply turn into morphine, morphine is king. my original statement stands

Yeah that's what I'm saying it's a subtle
buzz that lasts a long time but it's so subtle I'm disappointed by it.
80mg oxy cost $50
32mg hydromorphone cost $50
64mg cost $100
And I'd be more smashed from half an oxy than 100$ worth of hydromorphone.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

William S Burroughs said dihydrocodeine was twice as strong as codeine and almost as good as heroin" and this is true,

I'd say that's pretty damn accurate (y)
Have you read Junky and/or Queer? I have them on my to-read list but not gotten around to them yet (well, obviously will only read the latter if I enjoy the first).

 

[Nicomorphinist]

I'd say that's pretty damn accurate (y)
Have you read Junky and/or Queer? I have them on my to-read list but not gotten around to them yet (well, obviously will only read the latter if I enjoy the first).

I have read Junky and I think it was in introductions or prologues in some editions, and the appendix to one of the editions of Naked Lunch which contain, along with his letters back and forth compiled as a book, his views on many of the narcotics and saying that since dihydrocodeine and oxycodone are so much stronger than codeine that dihydro-oxy-heroin would be six times as strong as heroin . . . I am thinking that 3,6- or 3,14-diacetyloxymorphone or one of the other oxymorphone acetyl esters might come close,, and dihydroheroin is another name for diacetyldihydromorphine (Paralaudin)

Mr Burroughs' son wrote two books as well, Speed and Kentucky Ham which are very good.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I have read Junky and I think it was in introductions or prologues in some editions, and the appendix to one of the editions of Naked Lunch which contain, along with his letters back and forth compiled as a book, his views on many of the narcotics and saying that since dihydrocodeine and oxycodone are so much stronger than codeine that dihydro-oxy-heroin would be six times as strong as heroin . . . I am thinking that 3,6- or 3,14-diacetyloxymorphone or one of the other oxymorphone acetyl esters might come close,, and dihydroheroin is another name for diacetyldihydromorphine (Paralaudin)

Mr Burroughs' son wrote two books as well, Speed and Kentucky Ham which are very good.

Thanks. I've just looked them up and they sound really interesting. They're available together as one book so I've added that to the "saved for later"'s on my amazon (everything goes there that I fancy and then when I do my monthlyish book-buying I add whatever I currently want the most to my basket)

 

[draculic acid69]

I have read Junky and I think it was in introductions or prologues in some editions, and the appendix to one of the editions of Naked Lunch which contain, along with his letters back and forth compiled as a book, his views on many of the narcotics and saying that since dihydrocodeine and oxycodone are so much stronger than codeine that dihydro-oxy-heroin would be six times as strong as heroin . . . I am thinking that 3,6- or 3,14-diacetyloxymorphone or one of the other oxymorphone acetyl esters might come close,, and dihydroheroin is another name for diacetyldihydromorphine (Paralaudin)

Mr Burroughs' son wrote two books as well, Speed and Kentucky Ham which are very good.

I think fucking with the 14hydroxyl group will ruin the awesomeness of the molecule as that's what separates hydrocodone from oxycodone.probably best to leave it alone.but acetylating the 3position might be good.take hydromorphone and acetylate it and see what happens.that would be interesting.dhc is only two oxidations away from oxycodone.there easy to do reactions.id go for that rather than actuating the 14hydroxyl.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

I think fucking with the 14hydroxyl group will ruin the awesomeness of the molecule as that's what separates hydrocodone from oxycodone.probably best to leave it alone.but acetylating the 3position might be good.take hydromorphone and acetylate it and see what happens.that would be interesting.dhc is only two oxidations away from oxycodone.there easy to do reactions.id go for that rather than actuating the 14hydroxyl.

Acetylated hydromorphone is acetylmorphone, one of the three or so drugs considered the first designer drugs and banned in 1930 because it mimicked
heroin and Merck and others were making it in metric ton quantities for what the League of Nations health committee said was no different than heroin so on and so forth, heroin being been outlawed most places in 1924. Acetylpropionylmorphine was another, and dibenzoylmorphine the big one.

Most acetylmorphone needed for research is prepared in situ for experiments, and I can vouch that it has the good quantities of smack and D -- rapid onset, goes in smooth like a good drug should. Other good ones should be acetylated, and that matter nicotinoyl and all the rest of the morphols like oxymorphol, hydromorphinol, 14β-hydroxydihydromorphinone, &c

14β-hydroxydihydromorphinone is to hydromorphone as oxymorphone is to dihydromorphine, and I figure that 6-acetyl or 3,6-diacetyl14β-hydroxydihydromorphinone and others of the same sort could provide nuanced differences which make them all available to doctors.

Subjectively and objectively, it seems like morphine and derivatives have categories, such as morphine, codeine, dihydromorphine, hydromorphone, hydromorphinol, chloromorphide derivatives and a few others, and each of these can have forms which are related across the categories, such as diamorphine, diacetyldihydrocodeine, acetylcodeine, acetyldihydromorphine, acetylmorphone, acetylhydromorphinol, acetylchloromorphide &c -- all or most of them have acetylated and others esters, ethers, morphides, amine oxides, ketones, 17 N-allyl antagonists, cyclopropylmethyl antagonists, morphazones &c

for example,

	Morphine	Hydromorphone	Dihydromorphine	Hydromorphinol	Desomorphine	Chlorcodide	Heroin	Morphazone
Dihydromorphine	DHM	Diacetyldihydromorphone	Dihydromorphine	Acetylmorphinol		Chlorodicodide	Diacetyldihydromorphine
Codeine		Hydrocodone	Dihydrocodeine	Hydrocodol	Oxycodeine [sic]	Chlorocodide	Acetylcodeine
Morphine		Hydromorphone	Dihydromorphine	Hydromorphinol	Desomorphine	Chlorocodide	Diamorphine Nicomorphine

 

[IsntLifeJuicey]

I never found the ceiling. I was doing very large amounts and oxy at the same time, but I’d end up just scratching the shit out of myself!!
As for the sex stuff, quite the opposite, all opiates kill my sex drive unfortunately. I had to look up priapism, and safe to say I never got that.

i had to google it.. It sounds awful, n im a woman.. n im glad to know that im not the only one itching. I have fibromyalgia so I requested to be put on tramadol since it helped me the most. Hydro always made me itch, n now the tramadol is making me itch, n its never done that. Ask the dr he said its a side effect not an allergic reaction

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I'd say that's pretty damn accurate (y)
Have you read Junky and/or Queer? I have them on my to-read list but not gotten around to them yet (well, obviously will only read the latter if I enjoy the first).

'Junkie' is worth it but contain's some info that is not quite realistic as I remember.

Like stopping WD's of Opiate's with Wild Lettuce extract. Wasn't that in that book somewhere too?

 

[draculic acid69]

'Junkie' is worth it but contain's some info that is not quite realistic as I remember.

Like stopping WD's of Opiate's with Wild Lettuce extract. Wasn't that in that book somewhere too?

When I was smoking heaps of heroin and ice(massive habit) I got a big blob of wild lettuce opium and smoking it was mild but then I dropped the rest of the blob and didn't use any H for 48+ hrs at least.no withdrawals.no hanging out.i wasn't smacked out but I was satisfied opiatewise.i wouldn't count on it working as a complete substitute if you're in withdrawals or say it works for everybody or that it works everytime but it worked well for me when I tried it.

 

[femaletrouble]

Is pregabalin any good for opiate withdrawal from dhc?

 

[draculic acid69]

Is pregabalin any good for opiate withdrawal from dhc?

Yeah it helps.catapres is another medicine that is supposed to help.

 

[evo4ever]

Dihydrocodeine is probably my second best opioid, I prefer it even over Morphine. My favourite is Oxycodone and im also prescribed it.

DHC is roughly twice the strength of Codeine and Tramadol.

The good thing about DHC is that theres no ceiling effect like Codeine so u can take as much as ur hearts content lol. And ur limited with Tramadol too cos anything over 400mg within a 24 hour period can cause seizures, so basically it lowers ur seizure threshold.

 

[draculic acid69]

I've dropped 800mg of tramadol before all at once.ive got to get some dhc without it being cough syrup.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

'Junkie' is worth it but contain's some info that is not quite realistic as I remember.

Like stopping WD's of Opiate's with Wild Lettuce extract. Wasn't that in that book somewhere too?

Not in the edition I read, I think it was about a decade later the rumour about lettuce extract started circulating. Some people scoffed at the shot of the antihistamine phenindamine {Thephorin) feeling like M, but I can assure you, it does help in withdrawal and can stretch out a dwindling supply of narcotics quite a bit. At the end he says that Yagé (one of the ingredients in ayahuasca) may be the ne plus ultra and all that, and he mentions an apomorphine treatment.

 

[Ganjcat]

Codeine is just way better than dhc as has been mentioned I Get a lot of shit because I take codeine recreationally and for some reason most people find it 'garbage' yet dhc does abosolutely nothing enjoyable it makes me wanna do things when I dont wanna do things when I just wanna get ass shitfaced as possible until im literaly nodding out into oblivion and forget everything for a bit

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Codeine is just way better than dhc as has been mentioned I Get a lot of shit because I take codeine recreationally and for some reason most people find it 'garbage' yet dhc does abosolutely nothing enjoyable it makes me wanna do things when I dont wanna do things when I just wanna get ass shitfaced as possible until im literaly nodding out into oblivion and forget everything for a bit

That does make sense, and a while ago when the pain was a little bit better, I would wash down one or more paracetamol with codeine 60 mg tablets, naproxen, cyclobenzaprine, and quinine ,and it worked very well, and the onset was gorgeous especially when washed down with Coca-Cola or Sprite on an empty stomach, almost as if I did an SC shot of it or even IV . . . in a couple of years the doctors rotated me on to dihydrocodeine & hydroxyzine or tripelennamine + orphenadrine + naproxen, which was nice, then hydrocodone. All three, especially the hydrocodone, worked very nicely with carisoprodol or meprobamate 90 minutes for before bedtime . . of course back in the day, there was no substitute for Loads aka Dors & Fours, glutethimide + paracetamol with codeine, which feels like shooting up taken on an empty stomach, and doing this combination replacing the codeine with thebacon in particular was very euphoric.

Codeine is certainly underestimated and I know of people who had no idea it worked as well as it did and even more uniformed about the possibility that it could be potentiated like with antihistamines and number of other drugs in several categories, and they say it made them feel better, but codeine neat also has pleasant and efficacious effect -- more evidence that analgesia and euphoria are part of a single process on the body, albeit a complex one.

Caeteris paribus, the liver turns 12 per cent or so of codeine into morphine, the queen of strong oral narcotics as codeine is for the weak ones, both for clinical and unsupervised self-medication use as well as recreation, whereas about 1 per cent of dihydrocodeine is turned to dihydromorphine. Whilst dihydromorphine hits harder and lasts longer and is more euphoric than morphine,, the absoute quantity in one's system makes that difference.

Especially if headaches are the issue or a major co-morbid component, adding caffeine to the mixture whether it be in tablets, soft drinks or whatever. 100 mg seems to work well for lots of folks. No later than five hours before going to sleep, of course, unless the doctor says to do so, or if one has come up with a workable protocol for the nighttime doses in cases of headache.

Also, I think that there is not an apples to apples conversion with codeine and dihydrocodeine, but rather apples and pears, or oranges and grapefruit . . . are categories of the natural and semi-synthetic narcotics so some feel more alike than others and others not as much. The differences amongst codeine-morphine conversion come from individual metabolism including Cytochrome P450 levels, and other drugs, with glutethimide, quinidine, betamethasone, and promethazine causing a lot more to be turned into morphine, whereas others including some SSRIs can lessen the conversion.

• morphine
• morphine derivatives including codeine and whole opium products.
• dihydromorphine derivatives
• morphine esters like smack and nicomorphine
• ketones, specifically 14-dihydromorphinones like hydrocodone and hydromorphone
• morphides, e.g. chloromorphide
• morphazones e.g. oxymorphazone
• miscellaneous morphine derivatives like desomorphine
• ethers of morphine like codeine, dionine, benzylmorphine (as opposed to dibenzoylmorphine, an ester of morphine several times stronger than morphine)
• morphine, codeine, hydromorphone and other amine oxides/nitrogen derivatives
• antagonists like nalodeine, nalorphine, naloxone, naltrexone, nalorphine dinicotinate, diacetylnalorphine &c
• morphols like hydromorphinol
• drugs made by fusing another drug onto morphine, such as 2,4-dinitrophenylmorphine
• others

As with the example of diacetyldihydromorphine, a drug can be in more than one group

 

[draculic acid69]

Interesting.ive been wondering about acetylating hydromorphone with AA and what it would do.and codeine is awesome for euphoria.its a weak opiate but that doesn't mean it isn't good.even when smoking heaps of fentanyl one codeine at night was needed to completely reach satisfaction that even super powerful fent couldn't achieve without it.

 

[draculic acid69]

I think fucking with the 14hydroxyl group will ruin the awesomeness of the molecule as that's what separates hydrocodone from oxycodone.probably best to leave it alone.but acetylating the 3position might be good.take hydromorphone and acetylate it and see what happens.that would be interesting.dhc is only two oxidations away from oxycodone.there easy to do reactions.id go for that rather than actuating the 14hydroxyl.

Turns out I was wrong.acetylating the 14 position as well as the 3,6 can lead to a compound 800x as powerful as the parent compound.thats fent territory but without the risk of fent.wow that would be awesome.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Acetylmorphone was the third of the drugs banned by the Health Committee of the League of Nations in 1930 because firms like Merck and Bayer and so forth were producing it in metric ton quantities since heroin was banned in 1924 ; the other two were esters of morphine, viz dibenzoylmorphine and acetylpopionylmorphine . . . acetylmorphone ls like smack and hydromorphone with legs to speak, and is a simple operation allowing end users to produce their own supplies . . . Acetylmorphone and thebacon can be made from the Pseudomonas putida eating morphine, appearing as an intermediate along with others in one of several complex branching sets of reactions whcih also give rise to oxymorphol, hydromorphinol, and others, and is also mentioned in the 1930s German patents for making dihydromorphinones with catalysts without needing hydrogen gas, and so on; acetylating hydromorphone seems to be the simplest way to produce it.

 

[Nicomorphinist]

Turns out I was wrong.acetylating the 14 position as well as the 3,6 can lead to a compound 800x as powerful as the parent compound.thats fent territory but without the risk of fent.wow that would be awesome.

There were a number of oxymorphone and hydromorphone mono, di, and tri-esters developed including 3,6,14-triacetyloxymorphone, and another 14-dihydromorphinone, 14-methoxymetopon which is a million times more potent than morphine . . . in both cases, I am wondering if in this potency range there is a risk of tachyphylaxis, a rapid upward spiralling tolerance over hours, days, maybe a couple of weeks