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Opioids Kratom

aspiringchemist said:
Have you found the effects similar with powdered kratom as opposed to the leaf? I remember getting leaf back in 2014 and loved it. I would like a new method of ingestion and recently have begun using resin extract and isolated mitragynine along with powdered leaf.
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More or less the same but without most of he negatives. Like I said in my post, I got much stronger euphoria and opiate feeling an hour or so in using that method, used about twice as much per dose (about what you're using wih powder actually). But I had little tolerance at the time as I hadn't been using it very long. For the same reason, part of the difference for me is likely tolerance. But I remember I would sometimes puke, but it felt so clean and wonderful in my body and mind, it reminded me of good co0ke on the onset and then a traditional opiate after it fully came up.

Burnt Offerings said:
Yeah I'd recommend getting some if you enjoy kratom tea. The vendor I knew of who sold it has been out for some time, though...seems like more of a rarity compared to the powder, which I administer with the "toss and wash method". I don't find the taste to be disgusting, necessarily (to me it just tastes like "the woods", if that makes sense lol), but inhaling that fine powder into your lungs is definitely very unpleasant IME. There's definitely a "technique" to it
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Yeah the crushed leaf isn't nearly as bad as the powder, much less surface area hitting you at once I think is why. I used to chew on wads of the leaf if I didn't have the time or ability to make the full traditional brew.
 
Xorkoth said:
More or less the same but without most of he negatives. Like I said in my post, I got much stronger euphoria and opiate feeling an hour or so in using that method, used about twice as much per dose (about what you're using wih powder actually). But I had little tolerance at the time as I hadn't been using it very long. For the same reason, part of the difference for me is likely tolerance. But I remember I would sometimes puke, but it felt so clean and wonderful in my body and mind, it reminded me of good co0ke on the onset and then a traditional opiate after it fully came up.
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Right on, thanks! I'll have to give it a try.

I have made tea before by simply heating water and simmering the powder for
15-20min and then drinking immediately. However, I always did this with smaller afternoon doses and have never tried my larger evening dose in this manner. Sounds like it's worth some experimentation on my end.

I'm getting really tired of the unwanted negative effects. In all honesty, I could use a break but daily use for this many years has left me rather severely physiologically dependent upon consistent kratom ingestion. I experience fairly strong withdrawal if I miss my evening dose or have to push it back. I haven't gone a day without in years unless I've had Rx opioids to use in place of kratom.

Back to gabapentin...
I'm still noticing no diminished effects with co-administration of gabapentin and kratom.

To experiment, tonight I ingested 90mg DXM, 40mg hydrocodone, 2g full spectrum kratom resin extract tea, and 500mg 20% mitragynine extract sublingual. No gabapentin taken in 12 hours.

T+60min ingested
600mg gabapentin
10mg diazepam
20mg baclofen

I am tolerant and know my limits. Currently waiting to see if gabapentin after hydrocodone/kratom produces better effects. Will report back.
 
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600 mg Gabapentin isn't a crazy amount. It shouldn't diminish anything. If you take a lot more before your kratom or hydrocodone, it will block the fuck out of it. It can block benzos too.

Yesterday I took like 3 grams of Gabapentin, this was throughout the day. I got some hydrocodone last night, popped a few and guess what? NOTHING happened! I didn't feel it whatsoever. Fucking Gabapentin. If I knew I was getting hydrocodone last night, I wouldn't have taken the Gabapentin at all.

Gabapentin takes an hour or two to kick in. So If you take a huge amount of Gabapentin and let it kick in at an hour or two, then try to take an opiate or whatever, you will not feel anything.

Best thing to do is take Gabapentin AFTER taking kratom or hydrocodone.
Even taking Gabapentin and kratom or hydrocodone at the exact same time would be ok because the kratom or hydrocodone will kick in at like 45 minutes which is way before the Gabapentin will kick in. So taking it all at the same time won't diminish effects.

Gabapentin will only diminish effects if you take it and wait till it peaks, then try to take your opiate after that.

I should do a report on this. lol Too many highs have been ruined with Gabapentin, even when I know better.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
No way I could drink kratom tea. Just getting a taste of the powder by mistake makes me want to puke. I avoid tasting it. I also avoid smelling it because I hate the smell too. Anytime I'm using my kratom powder, I don't inhale.
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I used to be dislike the taste and smell when I started taking it but now I don't really mind at all.
 
aspiringchemist said:
I experience fairly strong withdrawal if I miss my evening dose or have to push it back. I haven't gone a day without in years unless I've had Rx opioids to use in place of kratom.
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I feel your pain brother. I used to take as much as you're taking for about as long as you've been taking it and kratom withdrawal from heavy/long-term use is a BITCH. Worst RLS of any opiate withdrawal, though some other parts are easier. Like I don't feel like I have the flu, other than the runny nose and eyes (that seems to be a thing for any withdrawal from anything I've noticed). I used to dose at midnight, fall asleep, and wake up at 5:30am on the dot, in withdrawal, take another dose to finish sleeping, wake up at 9, take another dose to start my day.
 
Coast- Yes, I am aware that 600mg is not a large dose of gabapentin. I haven't tried a high dose in quite some time, but I used to be on Pregabalin 50mg TID and kicked a pretty good phenibut habit as well (2-4 grams per day; been off for 6ish months now). I personally never noticed either of those (phenibut or pregabalin) to reduce the effects of opioids, though pregabalin and phenibut are not identical to gabapentin of course. Needless to say, last night felt pretty good ;)

For some reason I thought OP had originally stated he took a 600mg dose but now that I look for the post I cannot find it. So... clearly I was incorrect about that.

Xorkoth said:
I feel your pain brother. I used to take as much as you're taking for about as long as you've been taking it and kratom withdrawal from heavy/long-term use is a BITCH. Worst RLS of any opiate withdrawal, though some other parts are easier. Like I don't feel like I have the flu, other than the runny nose and eyes (that seems to be a thing for any withdrawal from anything I've noticed). I used to dose at midnight, fall asleep, and wake up at 5:30am on the dot, in withdrawal, take another dose to finish sleeping, wake up at 9, take another dose to start my day.
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Thanks man. It most definitely produces some real dependence. I have kicked a heroin habit a few times, as well as a ~240mg - 300mg daily MS Contin habit. Heavy kratom withdrawal is most definitely on-par with other's, though I agree, different in some respects. The middle of the night dosing is rough! I did that for a while but have somehow managed to not need to anymore. I'm beginning to entertain the idea of quitting or taking a rather large cut in dosage.

I think I'm gonna give the "traditional method" a shot tonight. Did you personally use any citric acid or alcohol during the simmering process or just water and kratom?
 
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I had pure crystal citric acid from the local food co-op, and put a bit of that into the first extraction. It seemed to help.
 
Xorkoth said:
I had pure crystal citric acid from the local food co-op, and put a bit of that into the first extraction. It seemed to help.
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Haha citric acid is what I meant... I'm a little burnt at the moment. Had a sinus infection for a month now and my wife was in a serious car accident last week; she's ok but really banged up.
 
Thank you. It is very unnerving. I wont hijack the thread but it messed her neck up. Doing PT, on oxycodone for now.

Now I want to go the headshop and get some OPMS but I'm vehicleless atm hahaha
 
I wish your wife a fast recovery. ❤

I like OPMS too, but it's not at my headshop. I can only order it online and the prices are ridiculously high and that's not even including shipping. That usually keeps me away from it, but the liquid shot is my fave, good stuff.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
I wish your wife a fast recovery. ❤

I like OPMS too, but it's not at my headshop. I can only order it online and the prices are ridiculously high and that's not even including shipping. That usually keeps me away from it, but the liquid shot is my fave, good stuff.
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Is OPMS one of those super concentrated extracts?
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Yes, it has a high amount of Maeng Da kratom in a lil' shot. Tastes like ass, but makes you feel like you're floating. It raises kratom tolerance sky high. That's why it should only be taken once in a while.
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Ah, ok. Never had one of those.
Then again, I've succesfully reduced my inake so much that a high dose like I used ro take would probably do the trick as well.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Yes, it has a high amount of Maeng Da kratom in a lil' shot. Tastes like ass, but makes you feel like you're floating. It raises kratom tolerance sky high. That's why it should only be taken once in a while.
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I tried a liquid shot of a brand I forgot yesterday...The clerk at the store said everyone loved it and I drink it and felt absolutely nothing but some nausea and sweating, totally sucked.Today I bought and ounce of Kratom pharmacy Red maenga Da and took 8 grams of it after 1200mg of Gabapentin and felt grest.OPMS gold is still my favorite but this kratom pharmacy is vvery good.I dont think Gabapentin blocks kratom like hydrocodone,I think I just had a shitty brand at first.It was called Uncle Tom's it sucked...But Gabapentin definitely fucks up hydrocodone
 
Did you take the kratom after the gabapentin had peaked in your system for an hour or two? Maybe 1200 mg of Gabapentin isn't enough to diminish effects. My Gabapentin doses are usually really high like 3 grams. If you ever try 3 grams of Gabapentin and let it peak at 2 hours, then take kratom, report back and let me know if your effects were diminished.
 
There's a nasty bazar type head shop in my area that sells OPMS for a not fair price lol
May have to give that ass hole a visit today :LOL:

ATM I've come across a fair amount of hydro and oxy so I've been using more of that instead of kratom just to get a break. However, Rx opioids are still missing that kick kratom provides.

Xorkoth - you indicated that you drank your tea immediately following preparation. Any experience with making a larger batch and saving in the fridge for use over a few days?

Im wondering if perhaps the gabapentin blocking action may not apply to kratom. Though, as we've established, my doses aren't high right now.

However, when I was on pregabalin 50mg TID (and I took as prescribed every day; I did not abuse pregabalin). I would come home from work, take 75mg DXM, ingest ~15g powder, and put 5-10mg diazepam under my tongue. I would be nodding in 15 minutes, I swear. It was the strangest thing. I'd be trying to read and start going cross eyed, then awake when my phone hit the floor (this is 15-30 min post kratom ingestion while loaded up on pregabalin). I would stand in front of the toilet at T+5hrs trying to pee and keep falling asleep only to wake up when my knees buckled. The combo was very similar to a high dose opioid.

I discontinued pregabalin when I completely blacked out for 24 hours on my usual regimen (DXM, kratom, pregabalin, diazepam) of which I had been taking daily for years (pregabalin was added like 6 months prior to this incident as a trial from pain mgmt doc).

My wife video recorded me while I was naked, rolling around on the floor nodding in and out of consciousness, drooling, and babbling to myself. One of the most embarrassing videos in existence for me!

I can say that IME pregabalin potentiates kratom fairly strongly. In this scenario I had been taking pregabalin as prescribed for something like 6 months, so my system was saturated 24/7 and i never had an issue with hydrocodone (which I was also prescribed) or kratom during those times. Albeit, pregabalin is not gabapentin but thought this was valuable info.
 
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aspiringchemist said:
My wife video recorded me while I was naked, rolling around on the floor nodding in and out of consciousness, drooling, and babbling to myself. One of the most embarrassing videos in existence for me!
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That reminds me of David Hasselhoff's daughter recording him while he was drunk and rolling around on the floor eating a hamburger all covered in it.
 
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