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indigoaura said:
For anyone interested. I finally managed to salvage this file. I have copied it exactly as written, but removed any names from my notes. I will add commentary separately. Wish it was more detailed than this, but oh well.



Everything before April, 2001 was from random, inconsistent suppliers (different people). Starting with the green Chicago bulls, all the way through the end of the list with the exception of the red anchors, apples, @s, and blue doplins were from the same supplier as far as I recall.

I began using reagent testing with the Snow Whites, but I was not very good at telling the results apart at first. I remember I confused the DXM result with a MDMA result. I also cross referenced everything on pill reports and on ecstasy data.

Hands down, the best pills I ever had were the red Mickey Mouse pills and the Pink Stunners. The pink moons, elephants, and the yellow diamond stand out as being particularly good as well.

All the stuff from late 2002 onward (except the bunk dolphins) was mostly consistent and fine. Did I roll as hard as I did earlier? Not exactly. But, it produced a very reliable effect, and that was when I was with my 2nd partner and all the crazy sex was happening.

I recall twice that the pills seemed like they may contain meth, due to the orange flecks in the reagent response and the effects. Both times were in mid-2003, so I am not even sure those pills are on this list.

The only thing I recall that was similar to the MehDMA were the green icebergs. I was very suspicious of those, so I sent them in to the lab.
www.ecstasydata.org

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #694 - Iceburg, 694

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result
www.ecstasydata.org www.ecstasydata.org

On that night, I took the icebergs, did not roll right, then took the Chicago Bull and rolled fine.

So, this is what my early use looked like. Reading over it now, I see that I rolled quite a bit.

I'll have to dig through other old notes and files to see when my supplier "retired." I recalled it being in 2005, but looking at this list, maybe it was earlier than that.
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wow, that's quite an impressive journal on your rolls u got there. hhahaha nicely done. The only thing missing is you should've rated em from 1 to or 1 to 10 and the fx they had on you like jaw clenching/euphoria/nausea/time to come up, etc. Apart from that is excellent. Cheers, NZN
 
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wow, that's quite an impressive journal on your rolls u got there. hhahaha nicely done. The only thing missing is you should've rated em from 1 to or 1 to 10 and the fx they had on you like jaw clenching/euphoria/nausea/time to come up, etc. Apart from that is excellent. Cheers, NZN
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I made a report on every pill on pillreports. Those reports contained all the commentary you mentioned, as well as the test result. I never expected pillreports to purge their database so I lost access to all the details. I took a lot of pride in all those reports I made. Hate it that they are gone now.
 
Yea that’s a shit ton more filler than necessary. It seems common for many pills these days to be about half and half, active to filler. I’d be willing to bet there’s at least 50mg of impurity in that. Notice how the lab claims it is “one byproduct” too.

I miss my 95% active 5% filler mints that were around lol.

-GC
 
Thought I'd try a little experiment tonight. I dropped another 150mg of that stuff I reported on last week. Now I was in totally the wrong mindset to be doing shit like this (family problems) and I've got work tomorrow. But 1.5 hours later I am melting in waves of euphoria. The come up wasn't quite as fast and hard as last week and I can focus a little better, but it's only been a week.

I've sussed out what is missing from the MehDMA - it's the EXHILARATION....
 
mind-body-soul said:
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So the natural precursor can be differentiated from the artificial precursors because the 14C / 12C ratio is higher for the natural ones.
The difference in isotopic ratio is extremely small, on the order of 10-12, thus the result can be falsified with a very small amount of isotopically enriched reagents.

I'll let you decide whether 10-12 excess of 14C is pharmacodynamically significant.
 
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I've sussed out what is missing from the MehDMA - it's the EXHILARATION....
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That is a good way to put it. The exhilaration, empathy, & rose colored glasses are completely gone. Basically, all the elements that fueled the rave movement and PLUR sentiments are absent. MehDMA would not have birthed a scene or changed culture. It would have been a passing novelty at best.
 
indigoaura said:
MehDMA would not have birthed a scene or changed culture. It would have been a passing novelty at best.
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Do you mean to suggest I might never have gotten to rave to my beloved old Skool Happy Hardcore music, borne 100% out of and for the ecstasy scene? ? What a scary thought, like..what if...your parents were never born, creepy Sensation down my spine sort of feeling.

Thanks God we did actually get the proper MDMA the first time around, and for a fair while to be fair maybe we are just spoilt lol and expect too much?

Maybe humanity only deserved so much MDMA Bliss and euphoria and us greedy lot used up too many tokens.
 
indigoaura said:
That is a good way to put it. The exhilaration, empathy, & rose colored glasses are completely gone. Basically, all the elements that fueled the rave movement and PLUR sentiments are absent. MehDMA would not have birthed a scene or changed culture. It would have been a passing novelty at best.
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Exactly the same thing happened with Cocaine in Late 70's/and throughout most of the 80's, ppl were snorting really really really good quality cocaine, that's y it got so popular. Cocaine nowdays is trash and expensive unless u live in one of the countries where they manufacture it(like me cough). I live in Peru and the coke here is mindblowing, and dirt cheap. U guys wouldn't imagine how much a 5 gram bag of really good shit is worth. It shines and it's white pearl the color of it, Not white -white, when it's super white it's cut. Well back OT, years passed and the quality of cocaine decreased so much it's really not worth buying anymore unless u got good connects. Same is happening with MDMA, there's a lot of demand, it's super popular now and some shady people take advantage of this. They don't care if someone dies doing their PMA contaminated pills, they just care of filling their pockets with cash. Sigh......Well there's still MAGIC MDMA going around....somewhereeeeee you guys just needa get a good plug or just keep looking.Cheers guys, Happy Rolling and be safe. NZN
 
indigoaura said:
The exhilaration, empathy, & rose colored glasses are completely gone. Basically, all the elements that fueled the rave movement and PLUR sentiments are absent. MehDMA would not have birthed a scene or changed culture. It would have been a passing novelty at best.
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Poisoning the well is more effective than banning it ,,, especially for the new to the scene,
 
indigoaura said:
Basically, all the elements that fueled the rave movement and PLUR sentiments are absent. MehDMA would not have birthed a scene or changed culture. It would have been a passing novelty at best.
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This. This sentence right here is one massive reason im following this topic.


Glubrahnum said:
Poisoning the well is more effective than banning it ,,, especially for the new to the scene,
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precisely
 
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Glubrahnum said:
Poisoning the well is more effective than banning it ,,, especially for the new to the scene,
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totally! the odd thing is though, in spite of it being mostly crap the general public happily swallows it at the many festivals that happen. A few days ago a video was posted and the people interviewed hardly looked like the had the real deal in them. But on the other hand, many people that I know, that used to loved the magicmdma have now diverted to much harsher unhealthy substances.
 
Glubrahnum said:
So the natural precursor can be differentiated from the artificial precursors because the 14C / 12C ratio is higher for the natural ones.
The difference in isotopic ratio is extremely small, on the order of 10-12, thus the result can be falsified with a very small amount of isotopically enriched reagents.

I'll let you decide whether 10-12 excess of 14C is pharmacodynamically significant.
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Hi,

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my message, like a lot of people here I am trying to find out what happened to the E from back in the day. To be honest I have no idea what the link I posted means nor your reply...I am not a chemist, I just spend time googling the issue, saw a difference in the chart regarding precursors and wondered what it meant, so I plonked it here hoping it would lead some clever guy down a rabbit hole to make some progress on this query. I used to use Ecstasy quite frequently in the early 2000's (2000 - 2003) Then stopped up until 3 years ago (long break yes) when I started again. I don't use a lot now maybe 3 to 4 times a year and boy is it a far cry from what it used to be...it's like the ecstasy has been taken out of ecstasy - it's just really weird!

Thanks again for your time,
 
indigoaura said:
@me.and.emma I related to so much from your posts. Thanks for posting. You have something that many people posting here seem to lack - access to both products. Since you have access to both, you are able to confirm that one product consistently produces a more negative effect, and the other product consistently produces a more positive effect.

I feel like I am not the best person to comment/contribute because loss of magic is a possibility with me. I have not had access to a product that produced the desired/expected effects for a very long time. So, I cannot disprove loss of magic as the reason for my issues.

I have tried to film the reagent test results, but unfortunately, those slight color variations just so not come across correctly.

If you don't mind me asking, what part of the world are you in?
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I am lucky in that way right now. But my source could also dry up and have new pills that are just shit again. I can guarantee you that if you will find good stuff, you will roll like the old days. I do not believe in the loss of magic. Maybe tolerance yes, that you need more product to get desired effect. So hang in there, don't give up, Magicmdma will come on your path again.

too bad that the color changes don't come across good enough to make a distinction.

And I live in Europe.
 
Interesting vein of discusion and conjecture if I'm not misreading the implications. i.e. deliberate alteration of MDMA by a nefarious organisation with a very private sinister agenda?

I am high though mum and I lucked it this summer with out outdoor Autoflowers, we harvested by far the best and most potent herb we had before. It's making me a little crazy like it never has before lol.

But the thought I wish to express- modern day films like mainstream cinema stuff etc I just cannot bear to watch they are appallingly rubbish in the vast majority of cases and just copies of each other.

They used to make much better films that were actually worth watching and entertaining with decent acting and well well-thought-out and considered plot and choreography with imagination and and fun and suspense

Now there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that it is the Elitist's express wish that films be as absolutely rubbish and unimaginative and as unentertaining as possible while getting the public to accept that as the gold standard and gobble it down like right mugs.

Modern day films are the most prime example and representation of this but this generally relates to everything in our culture and Society such as mainstream television.

Obviously it serves them to maintain control over our race if they can give us less and keep us happy with less, keeping plenty of slack in the reins so that is one side of it.

But at the same time and I promise you all I'm not crazy I have very good reason to to believe that they also get a sick kick out of seeing just how much they can mug us off and fleece us out of what we rightfully deserve and could and should have in life.

AND the rest, crikey where do I start!

I expect they laugh and sneer and joke about how stupid the people are to accept such purely rubbish entertainment and still consider that to be be decent.

So...the idea that they pulled strings to cleverly and deliberately meddle with the global production and supply of MDMA to basically make it a watered down much more harmful shitter, lacking version....

I could buy that. I'm open to everything, not paranoid in my own mind anyway. This just struck a chord with me, in relation to what I was saying about purposely dire entertainment.
 
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mind-body-soul said:
To be honest I have no idea what the link I posted means nor your reply...I am not a chemist, I just spend time googling the issue, saw a difference in the chart regarding precursors and wondered what it meant,
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It means that plant-based precursors can be distinguished from precursors derived from petrochemicals. This is done with isotopic analysis of carbon atoms. Their beta radioactive decay differs between isotopes.

This is useful for prohibition agents who want to determine the origin of the precursors during their investigations.

This could also be useful for answering the question posed by this thread, if the "Meh-MDMA" can be strongly correlated with one type of precursor.
Unfortunately, I do not have the equipment for carbon isotopic analysis.
 
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