What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[epic11]

yes that!! and the rolls royce were also matt (not shiny coated) and breakable in half by hand. I think the mehmdma is much cheaper product and to entice people to buy it put a lot in the pill. So most people will think they get a lot for little money? It might be a commercial sales stunt.

So with this theory in mind, it may benefit someone looking to buy to look out for pills that seem more "in line" with proper mdma dosages. I hear too many people eating this 250+ pills whole and not having THAT hard a time. If it were truly 250 of the real deal, your ass is SITTING.

 

[me.and.emma]

here:

 

[Glubrahnum]

I went and I had it tested (tests very I live are very easy to access and also inexpensive). It tested as MDMA.

Do you know what testing method was used?

Were the results presented to you in a complete and professional manner? e.g.:
- salt type
- full IUPAC name; or 3,4-MDMA HCl; ..or just "MDMA"
- enantiomer ratio
- purity / contaminants
- excipient ratio
- spectrogram
etc...

 

[Glubrahnum]

This old stuff tasted bitter - of course! but it had an saline/ base like undertaste.
And this new stuff tasted bitter in a more acidic way. I wish i could describe it better. But instead of the test centre I trust my tongue now.

Has your tongue ever failed you? ...does it always differentiate these substances reliably?

Do your pupils, jaw and heart (pulse rate) react differently to these substances?

 

[me.and.emma]

Do you know what testing method was used?

Were the results presented to you in a complete and professional manner? e.g.:
- salt type
- full IUPAC name; or 3,4-MDMA HCl; ..or just "MDMA"
- enantiomer ratio
- purity / contaminants
- excipient ratio
- spectrogram
etc...

In the test centre they use the Marquis reagent test. then they compare the weight and size with their database, if they don't have it on their database they will send it to the lab. I have no idea what gets used there. The weird powder from 2009 was send to lab and came back as MDMA (I remember something like 86 % pure, so what's in the 14%, nobody could tell me and believe me i asked) I believe they don't do in detail testing, that is why I find it so useless to take my stuff there. It feels like a different drug but always test as MDMA.

 

[Glubrahnum]

The weird powder from 2009 was send to lab and came back as MDMA (I remember something like 86 % pure, so what's in the 14%, nobody could tell me and believe me i asked)

The remainder could be the hydrochloride, since the 100% MDMA freebase is not a powder (it is a liquid at STP).
MDMA hydrochloride is the most common salt that is a powder, ...although recently I encountered the tartrate salt, too

 

[me.and.emma]

Has your tongue ever failed you? ...does it always differentiate these substances reliably?

Do your pupils, jaw and heart (pulse rate) react differently to these substances?

Now my tongue is spot on. But it took a while to really distinguish and learn the fine difference of taste, its really subtle.
It's really only when the mehmdma made the large appearance and when I would interchange the 2 different products that this came to light.

 

[me.and.emma]

The remainder could be the hydrochloride, since the 100% MDMA freebase is not a powder (it is a liquid at STP).
MDMA hydrochloride is the most common salt that is a powder, ...although recently I encountered the tartrate salt, too

hydrochloride would not make you feel weird though, I mean it's also in codeine and tramadol tablets. in those 14%, even if it was just 8% hid something evil. But they cannot find it with their testing methods. sadly.

 

[AutoTripper]

If it were truly 250 of the real deal, your ass is SITTING.

Funnily, I can relate to this but at the same time, I don't think this necessarily follows.

Numerous times I took higher doses of amazing clean, magical MDMA before 2005. Like 1/3 gram and 1/2 gram doses, and many times 1/4 gram. I would be so mightlily high but still very functional and mobile.

I did always handle MDMA extremely well though at all dosages. On a really strong high dose come up, I could ease back, let go and just rush. Or be stood up, active, poised, energetic and busy depending on how I was feeling.

I am not disputing or challenging your point here just adding this from my own experience. Not everyone reacts the same way to the same dose as we all know and there will always be exceptions.

 

[nznity]

This picture FUBAR posted is a good example, as far as the colour translates on my screen, of how any MDMA I get looks like after an acetone wash, IME.
Cola or champagne both become like this.

that is some nice looking MDMA.

 

[heatlessbbq]

This^ is what's wrong with the MDMA Today.

 

[Phobos]

This^ is what's wrong with the MDMA Today.

What is wrong with the picture? Or is it something else?

 

[Glubrahnum]

hydrochloride would not make you feel weird though,

Of course not, Your stomach s full of hydrochloride ions,
It is just that some labs list the purity relative to the pure MDMA feebase (which is a liquid).

 

[Glubrahnum]

No my tongue is spot on

The tongue can be a very sensitive chemical analyzer. Do you remember which part of the tongue is most sensitive to the difference ?

Can you play some games with it and pretreat your tongue with small amounts of active liquids such as lemon juice, baking soda in water, vinegar, grapefruit juice, kitchen salt in water, sweeteners in water ...and let us know if any one of them accentuates the difference that you are perceiving ?

Also, please be verbose and even poetic when describing the tastes despite that text and taste don't mix well,

 

[heatlessbbq]

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine

That is a poor attempt a making ecstasy powder [aka molly].
See that tiny chunk of meth in that pic? Ya... Sketch as can be, Mates.

That image is "fucking F.U.B.A.R." M D A [s a s s] mixed with "de-powderized" methamphetamine.
See the dark purple shades within the MDA? Ya... That ain't MDMA. THAT IS METHYLENEDIOXYAMPHETAMINE aka sass or MDA.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

^ You're just taking the piss aren't you...

 

[leet]

I LOVE MDA

 

[G_Chem]

@me.and.emma Thank you for posting, I can tell you know a thing or two on the subject and have been deep in the mdma scene for quite awhile.

Something that stands out to me, and if anyone read my recent report where I feel I finally felt I stumbled upon some MehDMA in the form of an imported ecstasy tablet (I always take domestic/local crystal or the occasional press) was the difference in taste.

These presses were supposedly 200-220mg, G6 SoCal presses. An excessive dosage IMO compared to the 100-120mg presses we get locally. Very likely imported Dutch product which is pressed in the US.

The taste was exactly as you describe. I too chew everything I eat too, pill or crystal, cuz I can’t swallow pills lol. Normal MDMA has a strong bitterness for me often with a slight sassy after taste, I’ve tasted the slight saltiness too but believe that just to be leftover from the final AB purification of the product. This new stuff had that acidity!!

Exactly as you describe Emma. It also had less bitterness than I’d expect too. If anyone has ever tried 5-MAPB it resembled that more in taste than true MDMA. Just an odd synthetic acidic taste.

I too think I could spot the imposter shit by taste if I were ever to encounter it again it was that different. Unfortunately taste is very subjective and not everyone’s taste buds are working 100%.

Also your after effects perfectly match @indigoaura and the dizzying effect sounds right in line with the effect many get during an experience which ends with LTC.

-GC

 

[me.and.emma]

The tongue can be a very sensitive chemical analyzer. Do you remember which part of the tongue is most sensitive to the difference ?

Can you play some games with it and pretreat your tongue with small amounts of active liquids such as lemon juice, baking soda in water, vinegar, grapefruit juice, kitchen salt in water, sweeteners in water ...and let us know if any one of them accentuates the difference that you are perceiving ?

Also, please be verbose and even poetic when describing the tastes despite that text and taste don't mix well,

what would be the purpose of this? i am confused.

 

[Glubrahnum]

what would be the purpose of this? i am confused.

If one of these substances accentuates the difference in taste, it might help other people to detect the subtle difference and give me a hint what to test for.more extensively.