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heatlessbbq said:
May I ask You all a question about how We got here Today with the MDMA We currently have Today?

What about ecstasy?
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This is why nobody listens to your posts. Mdma = ecstasy dummy!!! If your "ecstasy" doesnt test as pure mdma, then you dont have ecstasy, you have something else. An ecstasy pill should just be mdma, and sometimes mdma + caffeine. Thats it!!

mdma = ecstasy. ecstasy = mdma. Molly = mdma = ecstasy. ITS ALL THE SAME THING.
 
heatlessbbq said:
Are They more expensive then or now?
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In my early days, 1996, "Ecstasy" pills were typically £10 each. Which would not be such an unreasonable price to pay for a genuine original 100mg + old skool E tablet.

Except at around that time in 1996 the quality has dropped with regards to dosage and averages will probably around 60mg for a while definitely below 70 mg average anyway.

By 1998, after the Legendary Mitsubishis have been around for a while I think prices were a little lower and £7 became more common. And stronger pills too.

By 1999/2000, it was practucally down to £5 or less, like 3 for £10 even.

And I'm talking really exceptional pills the best of the best which I ever took practically for those prices depending where and when.

So £5 for say 150mg MDMA. Or 3 × 150mg for £10.

MDMA crystal/powder was standard at £50 gram, £25 half mostly from 2002-2005, but also found for £20/40.

Last time I bought MDMA pills, at a barn rave in 2005- 4 for £10, Heineken stars and they were absolutely cracking. I took 4 plus an unidentified pill, along with 6 Hiffman tabs and about 2 grams of ketamine.

I had a great time and absolutely no come down either that was the last time I went to a rave before my Lyme.
And also the last time I took proper ecstasy. At this exact same time in early 2005 a batch of pills had come around which just were not right in some way and the clue is in the title they were called Mickey Mouses would you believe it?

Maybe this was the start of the Mehdma. Those sly, cheeky bastards. MICKEY mouses? If I am correct and there was a genuine difference to the MDMA or whatever active was presents in news Mickey Mouse pills, then whoever started this up and actually introduced it initially...

Not only did they know exactly what they were doing but they were also having a sick little joke on us like the elite do with their media, commercial and movie references, (although that tends to go over the blind masses heads probably much to their roar of laughter no doubt).

I had already thought about these Mickey Mouse pills in relation to this thread and topic but never got around to mention yet but looking back I feel almost 100-percent certain that this was a different form of MDMA.

It just was not right and didn't feel the same there was something very wrong with it but it was effectively imitating the drug in various ways. I did not enjoy these pills at all at the time and I would have absolutely no desire to ever take one again.

I took a lot of what I consider to be crappy ecstasy pills during my partaking but there was something very different about this.


Aaaanyway...back on topic (or back off it again? Lol) So MDMA pills were pretty cheap by 2004/2005.

£2.50 each, 150 mg regular. So 100mg was like £1.66 or just above for £3 pills.

£17 gram! Way cheaper than MDMA which hovered at £40-50. And just as good as well at the time.

Recently, I paid £6.50 each for my Dutch Bowsers, supposedly 230 mg.
Ecstasy/MDMA is alledgedly cheaper than ever, on account of the high dosages.

I'm trying to do the Matchs on this right now but I'm sure I was paying way less in 2005?

Yep damn right. £2.82 per 100mg vs £1.66 in 2005.

Now, @heatlessbbq I'm not actually sure how to answer your question.
I'm not sure I even understand it. I do wish you could elaborate more and put your meaning in a clearer context.

So I have no idea what else to say, but I do like getting these objective observations jotted out to help me see things more clearly, and of course it brings great pleasure and is enormously therapeutic to be able to share my experiences with you all.

So I answered purely for fun and therapy.
 
heatlessbbq said:
Molly isn't ecstasy, homie.
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It is supposedly, by true original definition. There is a thread dedicated to this exact debate and it is pretty much unanimously agreed by those who are correct on the matter that the terms Ecstasy, MDMA and Molly should be interchangeable and all referred only to MDMA and no other substances.

THIS is a fact.
 
Tranced said:
Is there any particular type of MDMA at the moment that is considered 'quality' and not 'mehdma'?
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Their are some very good presses around like blue pushiness, pink teddies. In australia yellow rolex and green gucchis. These are magic other presses i tried had some unknown compound in them along with mdma but the testers couldn't identify it but it felt like some hardcore stimulant mabye a new synthetic cathione
 
I do have this bit of info to share, which is interesting to me. I have been having these issues of nausea, dizziness, and lingering stomach problems following MDMA use. This occurs days afterwards usually. This summer, I had a similar next day response to LSD. However, while I was out of town, I had this same response to physical exertion. I did a hike that was a bit too much for my current abilities. It had about a 2000 foot elevation gain in 2.2 miles (then, obviously, the 2.2 mile decline). It was way too hot to be doing the hike. I had water with me, but probably should have had more. In any case, the next day I had the same nausea and dizziness that I get after MDMA. Here is another weird thing...during the hike, I experienced jaw pain and jaw tension as well.

Any theories on what is going on? I have done worse hikes that this before and not ever had next day nausea or dizziness. Seems to me that this is a physiological issue with my body and not something specifically related to the product.
 
@indigoaura, if you don't mind me asking, how old are you? Are you a heavy, often stimulant user? Do you use other substances regularly? You may be getting these issues because of your physical/ mental condition.
 
indigoaura said:
I do have this bit of info to share, which is interesting to me. I have been having these issues of nausea, dizziness, and lingering stomach problems following MDMA use. This occurs days afterwards usually. This summer, I had a similar next day response to LSD. However, while I was out of town, I had this same response to physical exertion. I did a hike that was a bit too much for my current abilities. It had about a 2000 foot elevation gain in 2.2 miles (then, obviously, the 2.2 mile decline). It was way too hot to be doing the hike. I had water with me, but probably should have had more. In any case, the next day I had the same nausea and dizziness that I get after MDMA. Here is another weird thing...during the hike, I experienced jaw pain and jaw tension as well.

Any theories on what is going on? I have done worse hikes that this before and not ever had next day nausea or dizziness. Seems to me that this is a physiological issue with my body and not something specifically related to the product.
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These issues occuring outside of drugs is a bit alarming indigo. With what ive gathered from you over time, im starting to think you have a probiotic gut problem?? Get some high quality probiotics FROM THE FRIDGE (dont get shelf stable, get refrigerated) from your local health food store. And start using them as a supplement. Theres a big correlation to stomach problems and gut bacteria. Have you ever used probiotics before?
 
epic11 said:
These issues occuring outside of drugs is a bit alarming indigo. With what ive gathered from you over time, im starting to think you have a probiotic gut problem?? Get some high quality probiotics FROM THE FRIDGE (dont get shelf stable, get refrigerated) from your local health food store. And start using them as a supplement. Theres a big correlation to stomach problems and gut bacteria. Have you ever used probiotics before?
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Absolutely no question making a conscious and determined efforts to support and bolster your gut bacteria is a solid recommendation for every and anybody regardless of health and constitution.

Lots of different options. I would always recommend that anybody explore the various lacto-fermented options for probiotics such as homemade sauerkraut, kefir, kombucha, kimichi etc plus loads more.

My mum makes raw sauerkraut using a special South Korean "Onggi pot". It has a special characteristic for developing the ideal microclimates for the fermentation and living microbes, but all in all it just works very well and makes the whole process easy and consistent.
 
@KS78 I am 38. I do not drink. Never did meth or opioids. Tried cocaine once about 15 years ago. The only drugs that I have used with any regularity are MDMA, 2CB/2CC, Mushrooms, and LSD. I have a body mass index of 25. Not overweight, but also not marathon fit.

I personally think it is a hormonal issue, as I have had extensive bloodwork done within the last few months and high estrogen/high cortisol are the only irregularities in the bloodwork. High estrogen can mess with water retention and cause nausea under certain circumstances.

@epic11 Been taking high quality probiotics for at least a decade. I have food allergies, and I am pretty on top of the gut situation as far as I know. I don't have stomach issues normally, just these weird "episodes" that seem to follow specific stimuli.
 
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looks like this discussion been ongoing from some time already...
here..
adds nothing really... just a rant from some other clueless folks that i found
 
Hello Indigo. Always nice to see your posts and real sorry you are struggling with these baffling symptoms. I wish I could help. Health and wellbeing is such a mystery at times isn't it?
So I was just going to say- I have just one year on you at 39, but with a BMI of 16, you trump me there!
indigoaura said:
I have a body mass index of 25
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Haha, no please don't take me wrong I'm not trying to suggest that you are overweight it is just an indication of how remarkably underweight I have gotten to be myself over the past year and a half which has been a very difficult time.

And actually this BMI of 16 is not accurate for me because I have a match larger and wider frame with hips and shoulders an average so the calculation would be inaccurate for my height, more like 14.5 or 15 BMI.

I'm working it to increase my weight on my strength which will boost my immune system and will be the only way in fact. Also until I have addressed this priority can gotten myself into a stronger physical shape it will not be possible for me to consider taking my MDMA pills.

I really must make up some considerable ground first but in the meantime I will endeavour to enjoy my lysergamides as frequently as I can manage because they seem to do me the most extraordinary benefit with each and every trip it is like a new layer of healing and release is automatically occurring.

I also tried Miprocin, 4-Ho-Mipt the first time last week and it was actually surprisingly reminiscent of MDMA in a number of ways and was the most MDMA like experience I have had for 14 years.

I only took a small 10 mg dose, but it was a surpisingly decent psychedelic experience boosted by cannabis vaporizing and edibles. It was the first time I ever tried a tryptamine, and in particular I was surprised by the total lack of anxiety on the come up which I do experience with acid(s).

The Miprocin was just purely deeply relaxing and comforting and I found the experience to be remarkably releasing and healing as well and certainly there was some similarities with MDMA in terms of how mentally and emotionally free I was as soon as the substance affected me and these positive benefits have lasted since although I did top the experience up with 200ug of 1plsd about 11 hours later which was a really fantastic trip).
 
How much validity is there to this post?
When was this synth popular?

I also don't really understand what the "8 hour roll" talk is all about. I'm not clear if some people can actually roll that long on MDMA, are actually taking another drug and don't know it, or roll 8 hours on their first few rolls after they burn up excess serotonin reserves but never again have such an experience.

I can say that the duration of my first few rolls bordered on several hours long.
But, I now know that the methylamine.HCl that was used in the synth contained a high percentage of ammonium chloride, which would have resulted in a mixture of MDA/MDMA after reductive amination, perhaps 30% MDA!
This was the result of the hexamine/HCl - methylamine synth. It is a bit on the finicky side, and without chlorform it's difficult to separate the methylamine HCl from the ammonium chloride.
The result was one hell of a roll, for quite a few hours. I recall peaking for nearly 5 hours the first few times, with fairly small doses (less than 100mg). I do not recall being trippy, as I tend to get now with larger doses of MDA. This is my point, just a little MDA can really spice up MDMA, at least for some people. I believe this ESPECIALLY applies to the first experiences.
But, I am convinced this is the result of "first time e-xperience" + MDA presence that is responsible for that. Actually, my very first dose was about 70mg (I was afraid, okay?), and I rolled for quite a few hours off that.
It may be more applicable to people who have never been exposed to any amphetamines before.
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Phobos said:
How much validity is there to this post?
When was this synth popular?
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Just spotted something- have you somehow, and I can't picture how- quoted me just 1 line at the very bottom there?
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as the substance affected me and these positive benefits have lasted since although I did top the experience up with 200ug of 1plsd about 11 hours later which was a really fantastic trip).
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Haha just checked. Not sure how you did that bro? Lol. Hope the week has begun well for everybody.

 
Le Junk said:
Let me first give you a little background. I'm 51 years old and started doing ecstasy the last year it was legal in 1985. Needless to say the legal ecstasy from the so called "Dallas Group" was nothing short of spectacular. In 1988 I made a connection with someone from the San Francisco area who was in the production field of making MDMA. I have maintained that friendship and connection ever since with only small periods of downtime. The MDMA I get from him is an extremely fine bleach white crystalline powder that is fluffy and lays just like snow. The high from this MDMA takes about 10-15 minutes to take effect and the high is always the same. An extremely smooth come up followed by excessive love and empathy. You will melt into the person you're with and sex is out of this world. Touch and feel is heavenly. Of course the eye wiggles and chattiness etc. The come down is just as smooth as the come up. It drops you off just like a feather and sleep comes like a baby. The next day is nothing short of spectacular. You wake up feeling anti-depressed and chatty. You'll want to talk on the phone, visit friends or just drive around and enjoy the day with the top down. It's all I've ever known as an MDMA experience.

Now that brings me to modern day MDMA. There was a period back in the early 2000's when my connection was down and I scored pills from a local guy. They were great and with some very small exceptions, nearly as good as my crystalline powder. But once again I've been forced to score something locally and the stuff is just plain crap. And I mean crap. I've done both the orange Tesla's and the red Supremes. Absolutely awful, but from reading the trip reports on Pillreports, you would have thought they were the best ever. They're actually anything but. I had both of these pills tested on ecstasydata and both came back as pure MDMA.

Both of them took about 30-40 minutes to kick in and when they did, there was a slight feeling of euphoria and empathy that quickly faded and from there on out it was just a fucked up buzz. There were eye wiggles, but I wasn't feeling good when they were happening. I became extremely tired and kind of gacked out. The high from these pills seemed to last forever, maybe just because they sucked so much. I felt like a crackhead on the comedown and the next day felt like a bad MDA hangover. There was no next day afterglow at all. Just a different kind of fucked up than the night before. And that lasted the entire next day. There is a HUGE giveaway that youre doing todays crappy MDMA. Your pupils will not dialate all the way to the very edge like old school ecstasy. With old school ecstasy your pupils consume literally all of the color in your eye with only a microscopic sliver of color left around the outer edge. With modern day ecstasy your pupils will only dialate to slightly beyond normal if at all. Thats a big giveaway youre doing new school MDMA junk.

Before you jump to the assumption that this Le Junk guy is just old, hes done way to much ecstasy over the course of his lifetime and this is just a matter of tolerance, please re-read my post stating that I still have access to old school MDMA that Ive had since the 1980s. So in one hand I have modern day lab tested MDMA crap and in the other hand, old school MDMA heaven. So tolerance is out the window. Moving forward...

My question is this. Is this the best there is out there today? And since both pills tested on ecstasydata as pure MDMA, what is wrong with MDMA production nowdays? Does anyone else feel what I'm talking about here? My setting is pretty much always the same so that's not it. I always hear people talk about the setting as if that's an issue. With the crystalline powder, it doesn't matter where I am, it's always great. But with these Supremes and Teslas, it's just a sub-par, little euphoria, no real love or empathy, fucked up kinda buzz. Let me put it this way, if this was all that was available to me, I'd quit taking MDMA altogether. Terrible!
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my opinion is that they way its prioduced is not creating the magical L-R isomers lie it use to
 
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