2017 Trump Presidency Thread

[aihfl]

I didn't delete it, and I'll repost his many accomplishments without the 'Nazi parenthesis' for your further review.

Frankly it doesn't matter. You've revealed yourself as an anti-Semite.

 

[JahSEEuS]

Yeah pragmatism isn't something these folks are known for tbf. Hope you aren't referencing me at the end there? I always felt we are tight, and enjoy your point of view/ opinions. Definitely a moderate steady hand, this sub forum could use a whole lot more of.

nah, not you. Someone said something along the lines of "Because I think you are a douchebag". It wasn't you. They know who they are.

 

[JahSEEuS]

I see Droppersneck (or someone) has deleted his post. I prohibit my college students from citing wikipedia but the meaning of the triple parentheses is well known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

Shalom aleikhem from Florida y'all

I actually didn't know the meaning until coming across this knowledge from scrofula and yourself. I guess I don't get around enough on the internet anymore.

 

[Droppersneck]

Frankly it doesn't matter. You've revealed yourself as an anti-Semite.

Nope not me, never have cared about religion one bit tbh. But I know you folks on the left get off on playing the victim so believe w/e you want I reckon. Y'all need a thread to update us on the ever growing list of what is considered offensive, I can't keep up.

nah, not you. Someone said something along the lines of "Because I think you are a douchebag". It wasn't you. They know who they are.

Oh cool, yeah there are some extremely salty people out there, and if you don't goosestep with them they will attack you, unprovoked.

 

[alasdairm]

I see Droppersneck (or someone) has deleted his post.

the post has not been deleted.

I prohibit my college students from citing wikipedia but the meaning of the triple parentheses is well known...

indeed. i thought it was pretty well-known.

Frankly it doesn't matter. You've revealed yourself as an anti-Semite.

not necessarily - when i saw the post i assumed that he just copied and pasted it without actually reading the whole thing...

Oh cool, yeah there are some extremely salty people out there, and if you don't goosestep with them they will attack you, unprovoked.

he says in an unprovoked attack. you play dumb droppers but you know exactly what you're doing - when people accuse you of trolling, i expect this is the kind of thing they have in mind...

alasdair

 

[JahSEEuS]

Yea, I don't think droppers is anti-semite. It was probably a bit sloppy on his part to post something he didn't fully read and maybe didn't necessarily even look at.

Ali, I responded to you above in regards to that article.

Also, avatar bet this week on the NE v BUF game?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Why can’t people just say nice things, like The Huck (TM)?

Trump’s doing an amazing job at being an insensitive billionaire (are there any other kinds?)

 

[alasdairm]

Ali, I responded to you above in regards to that article.

i saw that. thank you.

Also, avatar bet this week on the NE v BUF game?

always

alasdair

 

[aihfl]

Re: Tax Bill The holdouts to watch include Flake and McCain (Arizona), Corker (Tennessee), Moran (Kansas) and Collins (Maine)

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'm watching Ryan and Trump and Limited Edition Collectible Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle™ Mitch McConnell give comments on North Korea. WAH WAH WAH. WHY AREN'T THE DEMOCRATS HERE? WE'RE TRYING TO PASS TAX CUTS. I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BLAME THE DEMOCRATS. I GOT ELECTED BECAUSE OF THE BORDER WALL. REFORM AND SIMPLIFY. THEY WANT HIGH TAXES (yes we do, how else are we going to pay for the military and not raise the budget any more?! ) fucking moron. WAH WAH WAH. He could prattle on all day long.

NSFW:

Love him or hate him, he is the most tortoise human being in our generation.

The Republicans have a house and senate majority! They only have themselves to blame for not getting a tax plan through yet, and they want to blame the democrats! Wow!

You'd think Trump would attack the one or two R's who are going to vote against it (Paul?) instead of the entire Democratic party.

 

[cduggles]

I was gonna take the time to go through all the "accomplishments" in that big troll-post up there, then got to the travel ban. It says it's being held up by "(((federal judge)))".

MorningGlorySeed, this is for you, since you missed it. Those three parentheses are used by online Nazis to indicate a "dirty Jew" (as if people here didn't know that). I just thought you might want to know when your members are reposting from hate sites. I mean, besides just looking at URLs like "fuhrerious 88 dot wordpress". I know you hate that Hitler-worship bullshit.

I think that shit violates y'all's BLUA#4 but I guess it should be up to the Jewish fellow on staff.

If I have missed a violation please send a report. I have a few busy days today and ahead and will be mostly missing in action....but I will follow up with any reported post later today.

Shalom, Happy Tue into Wed folks.

I see Droppersneck (or someone) has deleted his post. I prohibit my college students from citing wikipedia but the meaning of the triple parentheses is well known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

Shalom aleikhem from Florida y'all

I didn't delete it, and I'll repost his many accomplishments without the 'Nazi parenthesis' for your further review.

So if a few BLers believe that someone is too stupid to realize they're browsing/copying & pasting from an anti-Semitic website, then they can just post whatever shit they want?

What if he is so dumb that he doesn't know that anti-Semitic means to hate Jews? Or perhaps he doesn't see the word "Jews" often being used to describe Jews?

I the offer to paste it again without the triple parentheses after he apologized.

WTF?!?!?!

 

[swilow]

I unapproved his post cdugz.

 

[cduggles]

^^Thank you!
Seriously, it means a great deal to me.

 

[spacejunk]

Trump demonstrates his vile racism once again.

Trump retweets British far-right leader's anti-Muslim videos
US president shares tweets from Britain First’s Jayda Fransen, who was convicted of religiously aggravated harassment.

Donald Trump has retweeted three anti-Muslim videos posted by Jayda Fransen, the deputy leader of the far-right group Britain First who has been convicted of religiously aggravated harassment.

Trump, who has 43.5 million followers on the network, retweeted three separate tweets by Fransen, which all included separate, unverified anti-Islamic videos.

One purported to show a group of Muslims pushing a boy off a roof. Another claimed to show a Muslim destroying a statue of the Virgin Mary and another showed immigrants hitting a Dutch boy on crutches.

The videos were retweeted without comment. Trump then turned to the more familiar territory of complaining about what he said was fake news on CNN.

Earlier this month, Fransen was found guilty of religiously aggravated harassment after she verbally abused a Muslim woman wearing a hijab.


Fransen responded delightedly to her posts being republished by the Trump account. She wrote: “THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP, HAS RETWEETED THREE OF DEPUTY LEADER JAYDA FRANSEN’S TWITTER VIDEOS! DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF HAS RETWEETED THESE VIDEOS AND HAS AROUND 44 MILLION FOLLOWERS! GOD BLESS YOU TRUMP! GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

In September Fransen was charged with causing religiously aggravated harassment together with Paul Golding the leader of Britain First.

“The investigation related to the distribution of leaflets in the Thanet and Canterbury areas, and the posting of online videos during a trial held at Canterbury crown court the same month,” Kent police said at the time.

The Canterbury trial involved three Muslim men and a teenager who were eventually convicted of rape and jailed.

Thomas Mair, the extreme rightwing terrorist, shouted “Britain first” before killing the MP Jo Cox during the EU referendum campaign last year.

Cox’s widow, Brendan Cox, accused Trump of spreading hatred and trying to legitimise the far right in Britain.
Labour MPs including David Lammy, Stephen Doughty and Naz Shah were quick to express their outrage at Trump’s actions.

Donald Trump has retweeted three anti-Muslim videos posted by Jayda Fransen, the deputy leader of the far-right group Britain First who has been convicted of religiously aggravated harassment.

Trump, who has 43.5 million followers on the network, retweeted three separate tweets by Fransen, which all included separate, unverified anti-Islamic videos.

One purported to show a group of Muslims pushing a boy off a roof. Another claimed to show a Muslim destroying a statue of the Virgin Mary and another showed immigrants hitting a Dutch boy on crutches.

The videos were retweeted without comment. Trump then turned to the more familiar territory of complaining about what he said was fake news on CNN.

Earlier this month, Fransen was found guilty of religiously aggravated harassment after she verbally abused a Muslim woman wearing a hijab.


Fransen responded delightedly to her posts being republished by the Trump account. She wrote: “THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP, HAS RETWEETED THREE OF DEPUTY LEADER JAYDA FRANSEN’S TWITTER VIDEOS! DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF HAS RETWEETED THESE VIDEOS AND HAS AROUND 44 MILLION FOLLOWERS! GOD BLESS YOU TRUMP! GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

In September Fransen was charged with causing religiously aggravated harassment together with Paul Golding the leader of Britain First.

“The investigation related to the distribution of leaflets in the Thanet and Canterbury areas, and the posting of online videos during a trial held at Canterbury crown court the same month,” Kent police said at the time.

The Canterbury trial involved three Muslim men and a teenager who were eventually convicted of rape and jailed.

Thomas Mair, the extreme rightwing terrorist, shouted “Britain first” before killing the MP Jo Cox during the EU referendum campaign last year.

Cox’s widow, Brendan Cox, accused Trump of spreading hatred and trying to legitimise the far right in Britain.


Labour MPs including David Lammy, Stephen Doughty and Naz Shah were quick to express their outrage at Trump’s actions.




Trump has long been criticised for anti-Muslim rhetoric. In December 2015, he called for a ban on Muslims entering the US. He previously suggested the creation of a government database to track Muslim Americans and made false claims that Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the terrorist attacks on 9/11.


He also tweeted in 2015 about what he called the UK’s “massive Muslim problem.”

Since taking office, Trump has shown more restraint in his rhetoric and boasted about his reception at a summit in Saudi Arabia. However, he has been under heavy criticism for his travel ban, which was originally directed at seven predominantly Muslim countries. Many critics viewed the policy as a backdoor attempt to implement his campaign promise of a Muslim ban.

Lacking the depth or intelligence to be a politician - let alone a president, creating outrage for the sake of distraction is all this pathetic man has up his sleeve.

He's got to fucking go.

 

[Soso78]

So the Muslim men were found guilty of gang raping a teenager?
No wonder people were upset.

 

[EbowTheLetter]

maybe but do you deny its point?

in my experience - and i get that's a pretty small sample - nothing trump has yet done has changed the mind of trump supporters that he's doing a good job. i've asked many what trump would actually need to do in order for them to consider not supporting him (on an issue or more generally) and most can't or won't answer the question.

i'd be interested to hear which specific points in the article you take issue with and why, jahseeus?

alasdair

I haven't really had the energy to do more than scan this thread but saw this exchange and wanted to chime in on this specific issue. My brother is a few years older than me. He's intelligent but not formally educated. He's got a big heart, he's a great dad to his two daughters. Even though it's not how we were raised, somewhere along the way he picked up some racist rhetoric from....I don't know where. He's always worked in trade industries in small towns. I don't know if 'garage talk' just eventually became part of his personality but he is still the guy that would give his shirt off his back to anyone in need regardless of race or creed. That doesn't excuse what he says but I want to make sure this is put in context. It's been a point of contention between us but we've never really had a conversation about it. Right now, due to family goings on, we are closer than ever and I sort of nibble around the edges of it. I need him as an ally and, y'know, he's my brother.

A day or two after the election, he called me to catch up. At that point, we hadn't spoken in a few months which was not unusual. No animosity or anything like that just our previous pattern. He actually broached the subject by saying something like "I know we probably voted for different people..." but he wanted to talk a little bit about it. I didn't want to get it into with him because like he did with me, I guessed who he would have voted for in the general. Then I changed my mind and we started talking about it. He told me that he had registered to vote for the first time in his life to vote for 45. He told me he "felt that it was the only option for a guy like me" and it was heartbreaking. As I said, he's a decent man, a great father, intelligent but not formally educated and has been surrounded by mostly other white dudes with chips on their shoulders. There's a tinge of bitterness to him because he works hard, scrapes by, and feels like he's spinning in his wheels. He doesn't care much for politics but feels he's been screwed over.

So along comes 45 and he taps into all that in him (as well as almost everyone he works with and has worked with in the past). He bought into The Lie. He ignored the fact that a duplicitous (questionably) rich grifter would never give a shit about a blue collar guy scraping by in a blue state. He's not well-versed enough to know that the people around 45 wouldn't be 'the best people' and how much damage could be done to the lives of his girlfriend and daughters. I don't know what issues started to affect him (if anything) before this but then our mother started having serious health issues. She's been on disability for a long time so it's all Medicare/Medicaid. I sat with them during the doctor appointments internally seething. Wanting to lash out. I kept it all in because it certainly wasn't the time. At some point, while my mother and I were talking, she mentioned that he had told her he now regretted his vote. I still held off talking to him about it because I didn't want to push it and again, I need him as an ally and don't need to add to anyone's stress.

But now he's become more vocal about it. We've talked a little bit about it while we've been discussing the news here and there. He sincerely thought that 45 would surround himself with the best people for the job to MAGA. He still holds on to his rhetoric in some areas. Him being very into football, I tested the waters with Kaepernick and that didn't go well. It wasn't an argument but I quickly realized he wasn't there yet and might not get there. But you don't need to be perfectly lined up ally to find common ground. We were driving somewhere and I was telling him about the pregnant detainee in Texas that wasn't being allowed to have an abortion. He said he'd rather a child be born (I am certain he has this view not because of any religious view but due to the fact that he has two amazing daughters and he made it work in not so great circumstances, so his view is from his own experience) but that since abortions are legal here and for anyone who is on this soil, that it wasn't right that it was happening to her. That it wasn't American.

He still closes down or bristles at the mention of Obama, he still says things that piss me off or make me cringe, but people can change. You're never going to reach everyone or maybe most of 45's base. But there are a lot of people out there like my brother. And they are someone's brother, someone's father, someone's son, someone's friend. Eventually those people will wake up and learn and grow. Because they will have to do so, if they are even halfway decent people, to look in the mirror.

tl;dr even when you're fueled with rage, a little understanding can go a long way.

 

[spacejunk]

Great post, thanks for that.
I wonder if it was the affordable healthcare thing that tipped him, with your mother being sick?

I've been wondering what it will take for his really vocal supporters, but it had always been a tribal thing for a lot of them.
Like a football team or something. Loyalty is great, but unconditional loyalty towards people that are fucking you over is some dangerous shit.
I hope there are lots of other people like your brother.

There are some interesting twitter bots that repost any tweets that mention regretting voting for him (#trumpregrets i think) - and it seems like a lot of people feel burned. But i guess that makes sense - they have been burned.

It's the people you only see once a year at family gatherings - or the "will support trump even after he is convicted of child cannibalism" type trumper - that aren't worth bothering with, i reckon.
I mean, your brother sounds maybe misguided, but not completely full of shit. That's the difference IMO

 

[Droppersneck]

I haven't really had the energy to do more than scan this thread but saw this exchange and wanted to chime in on this specific issue. My brother is a few years older than me. He's intelligent but not formally educated. He's got a big heart, he's a great dad to his two daughters. Even though it's not how we were raised, somewhere along the way he picked up some racist rhetoric from....I don't know where. He's always worked in trade industries in small towns. I don't know if 'garage talk' just eventually became part of his personality but he is still the guy that would give his shirt off his back to anyone in need regardless of race or creed. That doesn't excuse what he says but I want to make sure this is put in context. It's been a point of contention between us but we've never really had a conversation about it. Right now, due to family goings on, we are closer than ever and I sort of nibble around the edges of it. I need him as an ally and, y'know, he's my brother.

A day or two after the election, he called me to catch up. At that point, we hadn't spoken in a few months which was not unusual. No animosity or anything like that just our previous pattern. He actually broached the subject by saying something like "I know we probably voted for different people..." but he wanted to talk a little bit about it. I didn't want to get it into with him because like he did with me, I guessed who he would have voted for in the general. Then I changed my mind and we started talking about it. He told me that he had registered to vote for the first time in his life to vote for 45. He told me he "felt that it was the only option for a guy like me" and it was heartbreaking. As I said, he's a decent man, a great father, intelligent but not formally educated and has been surrounded by mostly other white dudes with chips on their shoulders. There's a tinge of bitterness to him because he works hard, scrapes by, and feels like he's spinning in his wheels. He doesn't care much for politics but feels he's been screwed over.

So along comes 45 and he taps into all that in him (as well as almost everyone he works with and has worked with in the past). He bought into The Lie. He ignored the fact that a duplicitous (questionably) rich grifter would never give a shit about a blue collar guy scraping by in a blue state. He's not well-versed enough to know that the people around 45 wouldn't be 'the best people' and how much damage could be done to the lives of his girlfriend and daughters. I don't know what issues started to affect him (if anything) before this but then our mother started having serious health issues. She's been on disability for a long time so it's all Medicare/Medicaid. I sat with them during the doctor appointments internally seething. Wanting to lash out. I kept it all in because it certainly wasn't the time. At some point, while my mother and I were talking, she mentioned that he had told her he now regretted his vote. I still held off talking to him about it because I didn't want to push it and again, I need him as an ally and don't need to add to anyone's stress.

But now he's become more vocal about it. We've talked a little bit about it while we've been discussing the news here and there. He sincerely thought that 45 would surround himself with the best people for the job to MAGA. He still holds on to his rhetoric in some areas. Him being very into football, I tested the waters with Kaepernick and that didn't go well. It wasn't an argument but I quickly realized he wasn't there yet and might not get there. But you don't need to be perfectly lined up ally to find common ground. We were driving somewhere and I was telling him about the pregnant detainee in Texas that wasn't being allowed to have an abortion. He said he'd rather a child be born (I am certain he has this view not because of any religious view but due to the fact that he has two amazing daughters and he made it work in not so great circumstances, so his view is from his own experience) but that since abortions are legal here and for anyone who is on this soil, that it wasn't right that it was happening to her. That it wasn't American.

He still closes down or bristles at the mention of Obama, he still says things that piss me off or make me cringe, but people can change. You're never going to reach everyone or maybe most of 45's base. But there are a lot of people out there like my brother. And they are someone's brother, someone's father, someone's son, someone's friend. Eventually those people will wake up and learn and grow. Because they will have to do so, if they are even halfway decent people, to look in the mirror.

tl;dr even when you're fueled with rage, a little understanding can go a long way.

This seems like a virtue signaling post, but I'll bite. So you think it's bc your brother is blue collar and didn't go to college? That he voted for trump. Sadly that doesn't always indicate political leanings. I have my BS from a good school and work for a tech company, and am MAGA all the way. I'm also not racist, and despise people that are. Everyone at my company voted trump, including our Sri Lankan programmer. We certainly don't agree with him on everything, especially some of the cringe tweets, but he sure as hell beats Hillary or any other globalist candidate they threw at us. Everyone sees things through a different lense, often shaped by our experiences, and some of us have a more logical approach which doesn't lend itself well to the hypersensitivity of this outrage culture we currently live in. My theory is it's a right brain/ left brain thing. I don't think you will ever change things with him, but I have found that if a person is decently intelligent, and you come at them on an individual basis, one issue at a time, you can come to a reasonable agreement more often than not.

 

[JahSEEuS]

But there are a lot of people out there like my brother. And they are someone's brother, someone's father, someone's son, someone's friend. Eventually those people will wake up and learn and grow. Because they will have to do so, if they are even halfway decent people, to look in the mirror.

tl;dr even when you're fueled with rage, a little understanding can go a long way.

I think this is what is most important. I think that is what made me think that article was so off-putting. There are good people out there with different views, and the only way for us to make this a better place is to discuss the issues.

You might not change their mind over a meal, but it is the beginning to a better place. A place of even ground, understanding, and change (between both parties). I will say that I have learned much from many of the different people I have met, and it often started over a shared meal or beverage.

 

[alasdairm]

^ i didn't really fill out my thoughts yesterday, jahseeus but i tend to agree with what you have written here.

i think the problem is compounded by the medium in large part.

My theory is it's a right brain/ left brain thing. I don't think you will ever change things with him, but I have found that if a person is decently intelligent, and you come at them on an individual basis, one issue at a time, you can come to a reasonable agreement more often than not.

how do you reconcile this statement with your somewhat frequent description of people with whom you disagree as "delusional"?

for example:

Yeah not only is it a flawed argument, but it makes him seem arrogant and probably turns off anyone that might be sympathetic towards his delusional political views.

Lmao yes these delusional morons...

There are some pretty delusional people here who have some pretty whacko ideas...

i'd like to believe what you say in response to ebow but your contribution totally contradicts it.

alasdair