Do you respect the people that are politically opposite of you?

[Droppersneck]

honestly i want to strive to love people that hold opinions which i do not support.

sometimes i do get triggered personally by posts which do touch a part of me which is raw, if i leave myself and that emotion/feeling then i can play the blame game, try and attack back.

idk if its the right or wrong thing to do but i have blocked a couple of posters which keep throwing out their eugenics and white genetic superiority theories. i'm just sick of it tbh.

only way forward is for us to empathise and bridge left+right. we all want love in whatever way we seek it

It's hard to blame you for getting upset about that kind of deplorable stuff. There are some pretty delusional people here who have some pretty whacko ideas, but I don't think being blinded from the full spectrum of thought will help you in the long run. There should even be a place for people to talk about eugenics and their beliefs in white supremacy so we can see it and condemn it.

 

[Mysterie]

It's hard to blame you for getting upset about that kind of deplorable stuff. There are some pretty delusional people here who have some pretty whacko ideas, but I don't think being blinded from the full spectrum of thought will help you in the long run. There should even be a place for people to talk about eugenics and their beliefs in white supremacy so we can see it and condemn it.

yea you could be right, for now though i do feel more peaceful when i do try read threads in CE&P, as i was considering making a conscious effort to completely ignore the subforum as a whole due to the toxicity of some opinions.

i don't believe anyone is ever beyond hope, but i wonder if my energy can be better spent than trying to open a dialogue with racists. i think they are also probably most in need of understanding and support, i just do not know how to help.

 

[Droppersneck]

Considering some of those people are pretty high up the bl food chain I might not make too many waves lol
But I'm all honesty all you can do is condemn. I don't think much else can be expected of us.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Considering some of those people are pretty high up the bl food chain I might not make too many waves lol

qft


Respect must be earned, never given freely.

 

[-=SS=-]

only way forward is for us to empathise and bridge left+right. we all want love in whatever way we seek it

Is it though? I believe the part of the reason why the left has become so intolerant of the right and the right so ridiculously frustrated with the left is that there is a dearth of masculinity in Western cultures right now. There has been an over emphasis on "empathy" "tolerance" and what have you, whilst masculine traits of "power" "strength" etc have been deemed to be politically incorrect. Look around.. everyone has become so pathetically soft. There's nothing wrong with the qualities of empathy and tolerance, but not when it comes simultaneously with a repression of power and strength.

In UK politics at the moment we have Jeremy Corbyn, Labour leader, who is far-left, and his party under his leadership is in disarray. He is the epitome of sack-less anti-masculine communist thinking that spawned in the 60's. Hence why the party is falling apart and no one with an ounce of sense will vote for him (or Labour).

I have little to no respect for men who hold far-left political views, in the current era, because that's not what our nations or culture needs right now. We need more strength and power, not more empathy and tolerance.

 

[Mysterie]

strength and power.

my strength is my faith and my power is my love.

i would completely disagree and posit that there has been a dearth of feminine qualities at the forefront of western civilisation for over 2000 yrs. war, patriarchal society, science rule over intuition/wisdom, list goes on.

btw i live in a western society and i did not consider it a smooth ride so far having a stronger resonance for feminine energy over masculine.

 

[Droppersneck]

Mysterie he lives in England which is much much more liberal than America. Many men are happy with a beta existence, but for those that refuse to conform; the coming decades will become increasingly difficult. In this post logic society, a trump win helps fight against the fascism of the authoritarian left, but I doubt this lasts forever. They have a monopoly on higher learning institutions and aim to use violence to maintian their ownership I.E. uc Berkeley. I'm happy to have the lefts diveversity of thought, however, I do not see that sentiment being reciprocated.

 

[-=SS=-]

i would completely disagree and posit that there has been a dearth of feminine qualities at the forefront of western civilisation for over 2000 yrs. war, patriarchal society, science rule over intuition/wisdom, list goes on

When the environment and other tribes are trying to kill you it's pretty hard to maintain feminine qualities and not get yourself, family, and tribe all killed. There's a reason why masculine traits have been at the forefront for so long - they were required for survival. And they still are - which is the mistake I think many people in our current era are making. Patriarchal society is not a bad thing, and neither is male dominance.

Don't forget we wouldn't even be having this discussion if men hadn't taken the initiative to create so much security, freedom, space, and time to allow higher virtues to manifest themselves within our society. Strength and power come first. Always.

 

[Mysterie]

When the environment and other tribes are trying to kill you it's pretty hard to maintain feminine qualities and not get yourself, family, and tribe all killed. There's a reason why masculine traits have been at the forefront for so long - they were required for survival. And they still are - which is the mistake I think many people in our current era are making. Patriarchal society is not a bad thing, and neither is male dominance.

Don't forget we wouldn't even be having this discussion if men hadn't taken the initiative to create so much security, freedom, space, and time to allow higher virtues to manifest themselves within our society. Strength and power come first. Always.

i didn't mean to come across as saying that i believe that masculinity is a bad thing and should be something that is repressed or hidden. that perhaps a balance of both masculine and feminine is required for our continued survival (and prosperity).

as human beings we have two common ancestors. chimpanzees who will wage war when two tribes cross paths and also bonobos who will all fuck and have a big orgy with the other tribe.

do we need to think purely from the chimp perspective? cant we also chill out and fuck like the bonobo?

 

[Burnt Offerings]

It depends...I consider myself to be fairly left-wing but I can respect even fairly right-wing people as long as they respect certain basic ideals which I support, like "freedom" for example. The statement "freedom is good"...it's extremely abstract and can mean anything really but if you support it we at least have some common ground. Those who extoll hierarchy over freedom and would suppress the ideals of the French Revolution (fascists, theocrats, etc)...I have nothing in common with them politically and I don't respect their political beliefs

 

[CFC]

I tolerate degrees of anti-social personality disorder, and understand it, but I'm not sure I can say I respect people who lack empathy.

 

[flowersonfire]

Good Question! I would have replied with a resounding yes before all of the insanity that has ensued since the recent presidential election in the USA where I live (So. CA.) I believe in the constitution, our first amendment rights and all it speaks of. After all, it's freedom of speech that allows us to have forums that many find controversial or even distasteful. That said, I'll admit to quickly losing respect for some of the people that support what seems to me to be absolutely unconstitutional and just plain inhumane changes.
Enough with the executive orders - it's still a democracy (I think?) Let's at least let congress weigh in (all things considered, not sure if it'll help much)
I'll respectfully debate with anyone who can present their ideas and opinions in a calm,factual manner and allow me to do the same without resorting to name calling and personal put downs - and yet, how can I expect that when the man who wants to be called President can't even conduct himself in that manner?
To answer the question, NO, I don't respect anyone who thinks it's ok to be a bigot, take healthcare and resources from the needy, endanger the environment and screw us out of our constitutional rights! Respect is earned because sometimes it's just too dangerous to simply give it.
I'm as far left as I can go - and proudly so. I try to remind myself on a daily basis that no one or nothing can take the love out of your heart, that's on me and me alone. I get mad at myself at the disdain I feel for some of these people. Not sure if I should be afraid or furious, so I am both.

 

[Droppersneck]

Good Question! I would have replied with a resounding yes before all of the insanity that has ensued since the recent presidential election in the USA where I live (So. CA.) I believe in the constitution, our first amendment rights and all it speaks of. After all, it's freedom of speech that allows us to have forums that many find controversial or even distasteful. That said, I'll admit to quickly losing respect for some of the people that support what seems to me to be absolutely unconstitutional and just plain inhumane changes.
Enough with the executive orders - it's still a democracy (I think?) Let's at least let congress weigh in (all things considered, not sure if it'll help much)
I'll respectfully debate with anyone who can present their ideas and opinions in a calm,factual manner and allow me to do the same without resorting to name calling and personal put downs - and yet, how can I expect that when the man who wants to be called President can't even conduct himself in that manner?
To answer the question, NO, I don't respect anyone who thinks it's ok to be a bigot, take healthcare and resources from the needy, endanger the environment and screw us out of our constitutional rights! Respect is earned because sometimes it's just too dangerous to simply give it.
I'm as far left as I can go - and proudly so. I try to remind myself on a daily basis that no one or nothing can take the love out of your heart, that's on me and me alone. I get mad at myself at the disdain I feel for some of these people. Not sure if I should be afraid or furious, so I am both.

I understand and I appreciate your honest contribution. That said, most of us here in Tennessee look at southern Californians and hold the exact same sentiment. We see the paid protesting, violence against those that hold different political views, thought policing through virtue signaling, anti first amendment, anti constitutionalism in the name of a large centralized government, etc etc

I'm pretty pretty libertarian and I'm at odds with social conservatism just as much as I am with social progressivism. I'd like to understand, but I truly cannot. I watch mainly stuff like jimmy dore and other alt left stuff to try and understand. And I do agree with some of things these types say I just don't understand the overall message. Perhaps I never will

 

[-=SS=-]

i didn't mean to come across as saying that i believe that masculinity is a bad thing and should be something that is repressed or hidden. that perhaps a balance of both masculine and feminine is required for our continued survival (and prosperity).

The thing is though there can never be "balance".. there will always one side of an equation that is more dominant, and it has to be the male side. Civilization is inherently a male enterprise - it requires the dynamic male energy to create and sustain it, and the female energy to round off the sharp corners to turn it from a roughed up dirty gem into a pristine clear jewel. This doesn't mean the feminine energy is inferior or just supplementary to male energy, it's just the way nature works.

do we need to think purely from the chimp perspective? cant we also chill out and fuck like the bonobo?

We could, sure, and I'd argue that's exactly what we're doing and have been doing for the past 50 or so years.. we've taken all the hundreds of years of building this thing up, the sweat, blood, tears, of our own men, women, and children, and of those from other nations/cultures we dominated, and just decided to take the foot off the gas and waste our energy in self-gratification.

If that's the path we want to go, which it increasingly looks like we will, then we will be supplanted by other more masculine cultures/nations when the time is ripe.

 

[Mysterie]

so the ideal is a colonial empire which conquers other countries and enslaves or murders its inhabitants in order to store more wealth and benefit our own genetic offspring as opposed to those we invaded?

kill or be killed?

i think if you have that outlook then its a self-fulfilling prophecy. its scarcity mindset.

i hope our evolution did not stop when we gained the opposable thumbs and maybe we are also evolving consciousness to a place of compassion/insight.

 

[SvnLyrBrto]

It depends:

If you're talking about the intellectual kind of old-school small-government fiscal conservatives that used to exist, as embodied by the likes of Barry Goldwater, William Safire, William F. Buckley and the pre-1996-or-so National Review; then yes, I can respect their views, even where I disagree, and even sometimes find common ground. There is, IMO a legitimate argument about what role government should play in society... how large it should be, exactly what services it should be responsible for providing (including the split between federal, state, and local responsibility), how and how much to fund it, and so on. And there's no denying that some of the best presidents we've had (Lincoln, Teddy Rosevelt, Eisenhower) were this sort of republican.

If, OTOH, you're talking about what conservatism is now... as established in the mid-90s by Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich; and embodied by the likes of Trump/Pence/Bannon/Palin: the racism, the misogyny, the homophobia, the anti-intellectualism, the xenophobia and isolationism; then no, not a shred of respect at all for them, their policies, or their supporters & voters. I am also especially disgusted by conservatism's invention and propagation of the notion that being educated is a bad thing, that people who are educated are to be distrusted, that the scientific method is illegitimate, and that "alternative facts" are a thing.

 

[-=SS=-]

so the ideal is a colonial empire which conquers other countries and enslaves or murders its inhabitants in order to store more wealth and benefit our own genetic offspring as opposed to those we invaded?

Wouldn't say it's an ideal to which we should aspire, just part of our evolution as a society and as an animal species.. which is what we are. The higher virtues can be conjured into existence but only after we take care of the basics first - security, food, water. Isn't this why we've gotten to where we are now, because we became proficient enough to create space and freedom from danger to have the time and energy to facilitate the penetration of these higher virtues into our world? It's admirable to want feminine qualities like empathy and tolerance to be at the forefront, to want peace and all that jazz.. who doesn't want that.. but we have to acknowledge what allows that to flourish in the first place.

We have to accept what we are and where we've come from. You can't legislate against our own nature or force peace on to the world that way.. it just doesn't work in the long run. That's the problem I have with far-left political perspectives, they just tend to want to ignore the realities of what we are and where we've come from, and force this projection of what they think we are and what we ought to be on to society.

 

[alasdairm]

Doing what daily?

perpetuating 'bitter partisan hate' - the very thing you claim to decry - by insulting people and calling them names repeatedly e.g.

NSFW:

There are plenty of cucks that I like. Like John Oliver. A cuck is just short for a beta male that uses virtue signaling as a primary tactic when making a point imo

The sjw platform is largely based on virtue signaling.

...some sjw ideals pushed here on a site policy level.

...sjws are these college snowflakes protesting...overly affected emotional children whining about something as an exaggerated response.

The theater is like a liberals super bowl for all intents and purposes.

...sjw safe space euro over lords.

...usually liberals vote with their emotions...

says the sjw pip squeak that gets triggered at the drop of a hat lol

Pull some sjw Alasdair style stuff

I feel like we need some sjw authorities like spacejunk and Alasdair to wiegh in here

So apparently he spoke to the cuck that runs Australia...

etc.

my point is that your o.p. comes off as cynical and insincere when you're saying two quite different things - one here and the other with your long posting history. if you sincerely wished to stop perpetuating 'bitter partisan hate' then you'd start with yourself and stop calling people 'cuck', 'sjw', 'you liberals' etc.



alasdair

 

[Cream Gravy?]

The thing is though there can never be "balance".. there will always one side of an equation that is more dominant, and it has to be the male side. Civilization is inherently a male enterprise - it requires the dynamic male energy to create and sustain it, and the female energy to round off the sharp corners to turn it from a roughed up dirty gem into a pristine clear jewel. This doesn't mean the feminine energy is inferior or just supplementary to male energy, it's just the way nature works.



We could, sure, and I'd argue that's exactly what we're doing and have been doing for the past 50 or so years.. we've taken all the hundreds of years of building this thing up, the sweat, blood, tears, of our own men, women, and children, and of those from other nations/cultures we dominated, and just decided to take the foot off the gas and waste our energy in self-gratification.

If that's the path we want to go, which it increasingly looks like we will, then we will be supplanted by other more masculine cultures/nations when the time is ripe.

The idea behind this thread supposedly is respect and understanding, so please take this in jest...

Somebody's not getting laid 8)

In all sincerity though, the more time I spend with my far left girlfriend, the more I realize that a centrist attitude is necessary to heal the gaping wounds this world is experiencing. No one's asking you to turn gay or become a woman, just to understand that 60% of the world is female and that a minority rule is awfully similar to apartheid.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

*shrug* I'd rather live in today's era than any other era of history. 100 years ago one of the leading causes of death was diarrhea...if someone wants to glamorize the past in which people in the western world were shitting themselves to death, go for it. I'd rather live in a world with the highest life expectancy & the lowest global poverty rates to date