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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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US Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Memphis) is preparing articles of impeachment. I just saw him on MSNBC. It's quite a laundry list of charges. Unless something really egregious surfaces or Congress changes hands, I think removal from office is improbable.
 
He has been on it since Charlottesville. I'm sure the high crimes exposed will leave the world trembling. Trump's a moron Yankee who had the sense enough to remind American's Southerners are Americans too, as the leftists, kkk, antifa, and the rest of the left celebrated their hatred of Jews and love of Democratic Party, the original whislin dixie party of the south. A malay ensued. Now they want to impeach him. Insanity.
 
Forgot to mention Larry Flynt is back to throwing large sums of money to anyone who can bring down Trump. Hey, it worked on Bob Livingston.
 
The left has truly lost its mind. There will be another Presidential Selection in less than 4 years. The left should focus on finding someone to run against him or....the left will continue to lose its collective mind well past 2020. This is not a threat.
 
It's weird the way people around here assume that I support this current regime. Or rather, it's expository of the way people assume things about you based upon the region in which you reside. They'll go off about how California had to come to Austin and ruin it too, and I hesitate to say I wish I lived in Austin 'cause it's gotta be better than here... I guess 'cause I too have a southern accent, it makes them think I'm one of them or somethin'. I'm no 'ra-ra Hillary women's-rights' person but I'm certainly not a 'ra-ra let's ruin the country for the benefit of the wealthy' type either. Makes me sad there's no third party. I just want individual liberties protected along with general social safety-nets like healthcare and education. Does one have to be a Commie or a Libertarian or else nothing in between? I support ideas from both and as such I feel very alone everywhere I go.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
It's weird the way people around here assume that I support this current regime. Or rather, it's expository of the way people assume things about you based upon the region in which you reside. They'll go off about how California had to come to Austin and ruin it too, and I hesitate to say I wish I lived in Austin 'cause it's gotta be better than here... I guess 'cause I too have a southern accent, it makes them think I'm one of them or somethin'. I'm no 'ra-ra Hillary women's-rights' person but I'm certainly not a 'ra-ra let's ruin the country for the benefit of the wealthy' type either. Makes me sad there's no third party. I just want individual liberties protected along with general social safety-nets like healthcare and education. Does one have to be a Commie or a Libertarian or else nothing in between? I support ideas from both and as such I feel very alone everywhere I go.
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That's pretty much how I feel. Yeah no you can't be in between. I mean you can, but it sucks.
For what it's worth, that sounds fairly close to my beliefs.
 
aihfl said:
US Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Memphis) is preparing articles of impeachment. I just saw him on MSNBC. It's quite a laundry list of charges. Unless something really egregious surfaces or Congress changes hands, I think removal from office is improbable.
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Nah, Paul Ryan had them written up before Trump took office. Once they vote themselves tax breaks, they pull the trigger on Trump.
 
JessFR said:
That's pretty much how I feel. Yeah no you can't be in between. I mean you can, but it sucks.
For what it's worth, that sounds fairly close to my beliefs.
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Sir Mr. Gravy and Ms. Jess, you don't have to belong to any party at all. It is not required for anything and serves no purpose if you're not running for office. Me, I've been a proud member of the Decline to State party for years and years.

And if you wish to protect civil liberties while ensuring strong safety net programs, voting a ticket with D's at the ends of the names is a safe bet. Basically none of them will be either communist nor libertarian. Considering they'll have a much more diverse constituency than the alternative, you're all but guaranteed a very middle-road stance on everything. Diluted to uselessness sometimes, is my problem with them.


Objectors please see the current healthcare issue and everything civil-liberty-related under W and so far under Trump (including the 2nd amendment) as an example of how R-names don't satisfy those conditions.
 
I've never heard anyone say, "let's ruin the country and make some folks rich" as their party platform. I suppose a reference point for ruin and rich is helpful, also a dose of reality and reading between the lines. I'm still convinced we are all Americans (this reads for US readers obviously) and just vary in our interpretation of history and vision for the future.
 
Obviously no one supports such an absurd notion knowingly MGS.

I really don't know what other Americans know about history (concerns me) and their visions of the future. I believe that I certainly hold a different vision from many of the folks I interact with on a daily basis though.
 
Cream Gravy? said:
I just want individual liberties protected along with general social safety-nets like healthcare and education. Does one have to be a Commie or a Libertarian or else nothing in between? I support ideas from both and as such I feel very alone everywhere I go.
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Agreed. And the more places you go, the worse it gets.
(Although I support equal pay.)
I find Austin to be a great place and the music scene is second to none. Don't get me started on the BBQ.
 
Everyone thinks they are special and unique. No one wants to be common, unless yer square.

Cream Gravy? said:
Obviously no one supports such an absurd notion knowingly MGS.

I really don't know what other Americans know about history (concerns me) and their visions of the future. I believe that I certainly hold a different vision from many of the folks I interact with on a daily basis though.
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What does that even mean?

I'm very aware of the fact that i live in a community, and that other people have needs that are different from my own.

Hence, i don't have a problem with paying tax, because it supports the healthcare system and welfare system in my country, and makes it a great place to live.
If that makes me "common", that's ok.

I find the selfishness of right-wing libertarianism really solipsistic. It's as if people that follow the sort of looking after number one attitude haven't really thought too deeply about social obligations we have to our societies. It's not that complicated, really.

Morninggloryseed said:
I've never heard anyone say, "let's ruin the country and make some folks rich" as their party platform. I suppose a reference point for ruin and rich is helpful, also a dose of reality and reading between the lines. I'm still convinced we are all Americans (this reads for US readers obviously) and just vary in our interpretation of history and vision for the future.
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I don't know about that - trump's desire to "break a bit of furniture" was widely reported and part of the package he took to the presidental election, and won.

A lot of the stuff i read from supporters of his around that time was that they thought "the system" was broken, and that voting for trump was going to bring neo-liberal america (and various aspects of it - such as imperialist militaru agendas; turns out trump was bullshitting about that - surprise!) to its knees.

The gap between rich and poor is obscene in the USA - which is crazy, for the richest country in human history.
The sad thing about trump is that he's increasing this gap, as well as slashing support for people locked out of "the american dream".

Homelessness is increasing, and more people will die from treatable, preventable illness when the effect of these healthcare changes begin to be felt.

Obviously this didn't appeal to trump voters, but my understanding is that it certainly appealed to some.
Trump was "the nuclear option" for many disenfranchised voters - especially people feeling left behind economically.

Sadly, for those people, all he's done is to cripple the healthcare system and offer tax cuts to millionaires.
Robbing from the poor to give to the rich. That's oligarchy for you.

Sucks for the poor/working/middle class people that got sucked into voting for him, with his empty promises of "jobs" that haven't aventuated, and won't.
 
Nobody runs for election on a "Ima fuck you over" platform (unless you read past the slogans).

People in the end vote for their own self-interest, and the difference between one large group of voters in the US and another, is how much of a shit they give for their fellow countrymen. And right now it should be obvious, the voters who don't give a flying fuck about their neighbors, got their man in office, where he's dismantling healthcare for tens of millions as we type.




(Edit: they vote for their perceived self-interest. One major party has no choice but to repackage their agenda as something else)
 
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Scrofula said:
Sir Mr. Gravy and Ms. Jess, you don't have to belong to any party at all. It is not required for anything and serves no purpose if you're not running for office. Me, I've been a proud member of the Decline to State party for years and years.

And if you wish to protect civil liberties while ensuring strong safety net programs, voting a ticket with D's at the ends of the names is a safe bet. Basically none of them will be either communist nor libertarian. Considering they'll have a much more diverse constituency than the alternative, you're all but guaranteed a very middle-road stance on everything. Diluted to uselessness sometimes, is my problem with them.


Objectors please see the current healthcare issue and everything civil-liberty-related under W and so far under Trump (including the 2nd amendment) as an example of how R-names don't satisfy those conditions.
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As I said the other day, I probably hate the Democrats ever so slightly less than the republicans.

You know in Australia they have preferential voting. So if you want you can vote for a party that has no hope of anyone winning without throwing away your vote for a major party in the process. I mean I don’t really want us to be Australia (much like i hear australians complain how they don’t want to be America) but they’ve probably got it right on that one. Preferential voting isn’t perfect either, but at least third parties can potentially have an impact. Though the other side to that is our system has far less party discipline than parliamentary systems do. So the need for third parties isn’t as strong for us either. Because in our system low party discipline isn’t nearly as likely to destabilize the executive like it does in a parliamentary system what with their executive being a subset of the legislative body.

Basically what it translates to is in Australia if you’re in parliament you pretty much HAVE to vote whatever way your party tells you too. If you’re in Congress you can get away with a lot more.

In reality it’s probably far too major a change to the system for too little benefit and too much risk of side effects to ever happen. But the way it works now sure blows.
 
There are a shitload of issues with the australian system - but as a voter, i agree that preferential voting has its benefits.

Likewise, i hate the two major parties, and it's nice to be able to vote for the candidates i like best, whilst also being able to decide which of the majors i want to preference (in other words, put the tories last).

I can see why a lot of americans don't vote - but sadly it seems to be many of the people that are the most screwed-over by the political system that are too disenfranchised to vote - which only perpetuates the inclination to disengage.

It's hard when you get the choice of a war-mongering oligarch and a bigot ologarch.
It's an illusion of choice and a destroyer of hope that anything can ever change.
 
My oh my when I read about your guys politics I actually wish here in SA we had some of these things....

Now when voting we all know only one party will win and so majority of us don't even bother to vote - it seems that majority of our people are brain washed only to vote one party no matter how disgustingly immoral, how corrupt, how dilapidated our roads and buildings are, no jobs, high crime, lack of any decent health care etc....

Not to be funny but I would trade our president for Trump any day, at least he went to school and has an education!
 
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