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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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David Wooderson said:
He seemed to be the only candidate beside Chris Christie that ever talked about the problem.
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really?

On opioid epidemic, Clinton offers more specifics than Trump

trump called it a "tremendous problem". i assume he meant that in a bad way.

clinton went a lot further than trump, proposing a budgeted plan to address the problem: Initiative to Combat America’s Deadly Epidemic of Drug and Alcohol Addiction

further, she tends to frame the issue as a public health issue rather than a criminal justice issue. regardless of party, perhaps we as bluelighters can agree that clinton's philosophical approach is the better approach?

alasdair
 
There are enough heads between him and that, it won't happen. Someone has to tell him which phone number to call to issue the orders; maybe that "football" thing that follows him is real and can make the call, I'm not sure he can work it.

You wanna be scared, picture the Situation Room during some skirmish, tensely facing off after like one of our boats hits one of theirs, people dying.

Actually, maybe I'll GIMP those faces into that photo of Obama during the bin Laden raid.

I wonder who else was in that photo, getting job experience.
 
alasdairm said:
"a man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons" (@hillaryclinton)

indeed.

alasdair
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It seems so obvious. From the beginning, not only her but somehow most of us have asked ourselves what would this man and his arrogance do to our lives when it comes to that. I can only hope someone can get to him first. He's going too far imo. Too much power, excessive proud and total lack of sensibility.
 
alasdairm said:
"a man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons" (@hillaryclinton)

indeed.

alasdair
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LOL quoting Hillary Clinton, someone who literally lies more than Trump. And Trump has so far outsmarted every person attempting to take him down, including most of the mainstream media. I guess he's getting baited so bad - impeachment must be imminent..
 
^ you know, i'll admit that i was about as smug as you're being right now in the lead up to the election. turned out, i was wrong.

so enjoy it. and when the thing you were so sure could never happen happens, you'll maybe learn a lesson.

alasdair
 
Meanwhile, on NLN, the non-liquid news service, we see that Trump's former campaign guy got raided pretty hard a while back:

FBI agents raided the Alexandria home of President Trump’s former campaign chairman late last month, using a search warrant to seize documents and other materials, according to people familiar with the special counsel investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election. […]​

The search warrant was wide-ranging and FBI agents working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III departed the home with various records . . .

The search warrant indicates investigators may have argued to a federal judge they had reason to believe Manafort could not be trusted to turn over all records in response to a grand jury subpoena.
Washington Post via Robert Mueller To Paul Manafort: Knock Knock, Motherfucker! Wonkette.com​


This is despite his apparent cooperation and testimony to the Senate Intel Committee. And happened at 4am. You know, like when they raid drug dens. People who face serious time and might take great pains to destroy evidence, like with firearms.

I'm sure everyone involved just doesn't like Trump though, all the way down to the sniffer dogs.

 
LiquidMethod said:
...Hillary Clinton, someone who literally lies more than Trump...
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another claim. care to back it up?

how would one go about objectively measuring whether one politician told more lies than another? well, there are people who track that kind of thing. e.g.

Comparing Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump on the Truth-O-Meter

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it's tempting to just rest my case there. if you compare the percentages for true+mostly true and mostly false+false+pants on fire you get:

clinton
true+mostly true: 50.34%
mostly false+false+pants on fire: 26.19%

trump
true+mostly true: 17.02%
mostly false+false+pants on fire: 70.40%

not even close.

that's our 45th president. a man for whom 70% of what comes out of his mouth is at best mostly false. that's your guy.

but you're probably going to dismiss this as a source because it unequivocally proves you wrong. is politifact objective? can anybody be truly objective? it's hard to know. if you read their process (Our process: The Principles of PolitiFact, PunditFact and the Truth-O-Meter) it would certainly seem to indicate that they care about veracity. if you think they're not objective, maybe you could pick out a couple of items they have rated and demonstrate why their rating is incorrect?

i guess it comes down to who you choose to believe. some more reading:

100 Days of Whoppers
If you're outraged by Hillary Clinton's 'lies', take a look at Donald Trump's (you should definitely read this as you are outraged)
Scope of Trump's falsehoods unprecedented for a modern presidential candidate
Main Fact-check of the Planet. How Often Trump and Clinton Lie (tl;dr trump lies a lot more)
How the heck can voters think Donald Trump is more honest than Hillary Clinton? (don't even bother reading this one. it's obviously fake news)
Donald Trump Destroyed as Fact Checker Reveals Trump Lies 20 to 37 Times Per Day
Is Donald Trump more honest than Hillary Clinton?
and on. and on. and on.

that last link is interesting. i have a great deal of respect for the quality of the writing at the cs monitor. an excerpt from that last piece:

However, I think a third factor is at play here. For many Trump supporters, his trustworthiness and honesty is not measured by how factually correct his statements are. Instead, it is better gauged by his willingness to speak candidly about issues...
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i think that's tragic.

i get it liquidmethod. you feel that you've informed yourself from different sources, have been objective, and have concluded that trump's a solid guy doing a good job. i can totally respect that's your position. i also think it's disappointing and a little sad that you can't extend the same kind of courtesy to people who disagree with you.

so you can agree with his position on things like immigration and healthcare. you can think that his saying it's ok to sexually assault women because he's a big tv star is not a big deal. you can be fine with the fact that he doesn't give a shit about this beautiful planet.

but don't say he's not the worst liar. because then you sound like an idiot.

alasdair
 
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Oh, sad porcelain cow, don't you realize the people who do that are themselves all of them just haters of Trump?

Their "lies" are actually the truth! Just like in this link

Their "truth" is just the same libtard bullshit globalist agenda.

I am disappoint. Think this is the wrong thread too.
 
alasdairm said:
how would one go about objectively measuring whether one politician told more lies than another? well, there are people who track that kind of thing. e.g.
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Well we can't, and yes the "fact-checkers" (aka Clinton PR firms) are not generally completely forthcoming with the truth themselves. What's more important imo is the severity of the lies and the intent behind them. Clinton has committed perjury which is worse (although Trump has never testified under oath). The way I see it: everything that Clinton says is deceptively calculated. Remember how she admitted to some Wall St bankers that she holds a private stance separate to her public one? That illustrates the charade she puts on in public, and once you know her shtick you can see right through it. But in terms of "lying", her past as a lawyer allows her to twist the truth so effortlessly it comes off as genuine. At least with Trump you can tell when he's bullshitting, and so far he hasn't lied about anything serious.

alasdairm said:
i get it liquidmethod. you feel that you've informed yourself from different sources, have been objective, and have concluded that trump's a solid guy doing a good job. i can totally respect that's your position. i also think it's disappointing and a little sad that you can't extend the same kind of courtesy to people who disagree with you.
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My position is that Trump is an asshole that is doing what needs to be done (most of the time). Trump has a lot of traits, that while one may not revere, are still necessary for succeeding in this twisted reality. If you do not like Trump I can fully respect that position. Though if you genuinely support Clinton I feel that I cannot respect you, but I would like to hear the reasons why so that I can have a laugh.

alasdairm said:
you know, i'll admit that i was about as smug as you're being right now in the lead up to the election. turned out, i was wrong.
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You had reason to be. You should've been on the winning side of a rigged election.
 
LiquidMethod said:
...and yes the "fact-checkers" (aka Clinton PR firms)...
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totally called it :)

when, like trump, you simply dismiss everything you disagree with as falsehood or fake news, you just demonstrate that your opinions are not the result of the noble, objective free-thinking you'd like to think they are.

second time of asking: if you read their process (Our process: The Principles of PolitiFact, PunditFact and the Truth-O-Meter) it would certainly seem to indicate that they care about veracity. if you think they're not objective, maybe you could pick out a couple of items they have rated and demonstrate why their rating is incorrect?

LiquidMethod said:
Remember how she admitted to some Wall St bankers that she holds a private stance separate to her public one?
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ok. so we assume that how trump is in private is truly the man he is? so all that bullshit about this pussy-grabbing comment being locker-room talk and not indicative of the real man is just that? bullshit.

you can't have your cake and eat it.

LiquidMethod said:
At least with Trump you can tell when he's bullshitting...
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yeah - his lips are moving :)

LiquidMethod said:
...but I would like to hear the reasons why so that I can have a laugh.
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you've already made your mind up so why would anybody waste their time? your lack of objectivity on display again.

alasdair
 
@LM, I laugh because of your reasons to like Trump. "An asshole who is doing what needs to be done.". lol.
 
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the disconnect for me is disappointing.

people say they support trump because you always know where you stand with him. except you don't. he's changed his position on so many things during and after the campaign that people don't have a clue where he stands on many issues.

i'm pretty sure he hates immigrants and he wants to build a wall. beyond that, who knows?

they say they support him because he's getting stuff done! one of his signature campaign issues was healthcare. awesome coverage for everybody! it was going to be so easy and he was the only guy who could get it done. so where is it? and where is the leadership from the white house on this issue? there is none.

alasdair
 
If only there was someone, from some kind of department, whose job it was to brief Trump about the history of saber-rattling between North Korea and the US, as well as what happened to Gadddafi after he gave up his nukes.
In under two minutes. (Sad!)


I know this site has a lot of stormfront (white nationalist/supremacist) fans (thanks Whosajigga sp?).

However, South Korea and Japan are our allies, which is supposed to mean that their lives and deaths mean as much as ours.

My hope is that Trump just signs executive orders to roll things back that the next President can roll back in and then good life can resume. I realize they have a great impact, but I put the deaths of millions in front of them.

After he's out, Trump is already an NYC outcast, so hopefully his new place in the Kremlin will be well heated. Not.
 
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