2017 Trump Presidency Thread

[alasdairm]

...yet 50% of women were not invited...

what does that mean?

Would you have preferred Hillary Clinton have become President? Serious question.
If yes, what is your reasonable, rational justification?

i voted for sanders in my state's primary. i thought he was the guy. i voted for clinton in the general election. i had issues with clinton but, for me, she was a better candidate than trump. i believe my fears about his presidency have been realised and a lot worse is yet to come.

talk of a 'god emperor' is, for me, tragically unamerican.

alasdair

 

[LiquidMethod]

what does that mean?

It means that any woman who voted for Trump, or any woman that was pro-life - was told to stay home from the "women's march".

i voted for clinton in the general election. i had issues with clinton but, for me, she was a better candidate than trump

In the opinions of many, no reasonable, rational person would have done this. So your attacks are quite hypocritical. I also find it appalling that you would vote for someone who cheated your original pick Sanders.

talk of a 'god emperor' is, for me, tragically unamerican.

It's a joke, relax guy. But many of us do believe Trump is going to do what's best for the country, as opposed to Clinton. Honestly, I don't see how anyone could have voted for her, apart from an irrational fearful of Trump thanks to being bombarded by fake news via the media.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

^You can also dislike Trump based upon fact, reason, his actions, and the words that spout right out of his own mouth. Who knew?

My vote in the election was for Clinton because I vote based on drug policy (the primary political issue of which effects my life) and woman's rights (in concern for my SO) and Gary Johnson is a joke. Trump has already done more than I expected in reversing Obama-era drug policy progress (and women's' health rights). Jeff Sessions was his AG pick? For fuck's sake.

 

[Erikmen]

I understand the part where you say people were not comfortable voting for Hillary Clinton. But believing Trump is good and the best for the country is pretty much naïve, to say the least. You should probably read more about what's happening politically with the US. Don't take my work or anyone else's but be more informed. Read news from other Newspapers.

As from day 1, not only he has been making US way worse than it could have been, but he's also behaving poorly as president with all the lies and misleading. How can you not see that? He's always being careless and trying to get away of his own mess in dishonest ways. I really find it troublesome to see how can it be possible for some people not to realize that.

Pick a country other than Russia, or even from Russia and read the papers, including American papers and make a habit of that- or, if you don't trust the news you can also follow by simply observing the facts surrounding you routine life events happening everyday against the interests of the US. What is he actually doing that is so good for you. It's certainly not the medical health care, not external politics, not being environmentally friendly and not being respectful with other people. You don't get to be like that if you are a president of the United States or of any other country, not if you have moral, and ethics.

But the problem is far from only being morally or ethically wrong, he's simply not making America great again IMO. Actually America was a bit greater before him from my perspective. So what is that that you appreciate so much coming from someone without any credibility outside of the United States. You can't be an isolated country nowadays. It does not add up.

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Deciding that Trump is a better pick than Hillary is like deciding that your home's furnace is old, inefficient, and dirty, so you'll replace it with a raging trashcan fire in the living room.

One thing about Hillary though, it's amazing how she's still in office and has such power. At least, I presume she does, because Trump is still complaining about her as if she's relevant.

 

[David Wooderson]

My vote in the election was for Clinton because I vote based on drug policy

Are you old enough to remember the 90's?

The last time she was co-president, she sponsored the 1994 crime bill which enacted three strike rules for drug crimes, mandatory minimum sentencing for drug crimes and can anybody ever forget:



^^^
"They are not just kids anymore they are often the kinds of kids called Super-Predators"

BTW, Sanders voted in favor of the bill.

 

[LiquidMethod]

Voting simply on drug policy is short-sighted. As much as I do not agree with Sessions' stance on drugs I do agree with his stance on going after pedophiles so I will fully support his efforts in that department. Also the hysteria surrounding Sessions is a bit unfounded, I do not see him repealing any marijuana legalization laws for eg.

Gotta get over this "behaving poorly" bullshit. The American presidency has become like a religion there. People would rather a "presidential" psychopath that bombs innocent brown people than someone who is rough around the edges but wants to do good. Saying that Trump has made the country worse is disingenuous. It's easy to listen to the lamestream media and ignore the positive things being enacted. Don't do that.

Trump is creating jobs, and he's going after illegal immigration. Don't care how the media spins it, and nobody is perfect or going to please everyone, but compared to the criminal Neocons/Neoliberals you should be lucky you have an American patriot in charge who is not going to sell out to the globalists.

America was greater before him? That is a fucking joke. Maybe back in the days of Eisenhower of JFK. Look what happened to the last President that went to war against the Deep State. Headshot - see ya later.

You think Hillary isn't relevant just coz she lost?? She is very relevant as she almost became President and is now using her connections in politics and the media to wage a coup against the democratically-elected President (it's annoying that I have to remind you at this point that the electoral college is how the president is chosen - not by the popular vote so please just no). Basically every accusation they are leveling at Trump - the Democrats (and Clinton specifically) are guilty of themselves. Now we are currently uncovering that Clinton colluded with Ukraine (with actual evidence) - surprise surprise.

Re: the Paris accord withdrawal hysteria

 

[alasdairm]

In the opinions of many, no reasonable, rational person would have done this. So your attacks are quite hypocritical. I also find it appalling that you would vote for someone who cheated your original pick Sanders.

in the opinions of many, no reasonable, rational person would have voted for trump. so your attacks are quite hypocritical. i also find it appalling that you would vote for trump. fancy that.

But many of us do believe Trump is going to do what's best for the country...

at what cost, is my fear.

I don't see...

indeed.

Voting simply on drug policy is short-sighted.

as short-sighted as voting on other issues like abortion or guns? yet a lot of people are single-issue voters when it comes to those issues...

America was greater before him? That is a fucking joke.

er, then how is he making america great again? even trump disagrees with you! otherwise his slogan would have been "making america great for the first time ever!" MAGFTFTE!

i get it. you like trump. you feel you're judging him somewhat objectively and you voted for him. i respect that - it's your vote. but let's put all the "he's such a straight-shooter" and "you know where you stand with him" talk aside? because, frankly, that's total bullshit. earlier in this thread i demonstrated why i think it's total bullshit by focusing on one central campaign promise which he has completely broken. the response so far has been:

his approval ratings are historically low so let's get over the idea that he's somehow killing it in his new role. maybe he is getting some stuff you like done. i assume you just gloss over the fact that the republicans have control of the white house, the house and the senate and yet have passed no meaningful legislation since his inauguration. he's not quite the glorious negotiator he lead us to believe, is he?

indeed, it seems the only way he can get anything done is by signing executive orders which is something he never stopped giving obama shit for. more blatant hypocrisy. yeah, your guy is a real straight shooter. executive orders are the devil's tool. until they aren't

...the electoral college is how the president is chosen - not by the popular vote so please just no).

lol. yet another thing trump had bigly problems with. until he didn't. your guy is a real straight shooter on this issue too...

alasdair

 

[Scrofula]

You mean the executive orders the courts keep blocking? Otherwise he's done . . .?

Anyway liquid , you stole your God emporer line from Dave. You two aren't related are you?

 

[MMT]

What does Nixon,Ford,Reagan,GHWB,Bubba Clinton,GWB,Obama and Trump have in common,you ask ? All are traitors to the Union and humanity,going back to at least 1933(excluding Kennedy and Carter) they ALL sold out to the Globalist Zionist and Bankster cabal that are hell bent on total global domination to steal the natural resources of all the nations on God's green Earth for their own greed and wealth.If you don't see this by now,it's because you have been totally compromised by the NWO.
The Vatican controls religion.
The City of London controls the finance
Washington DC is the Enforcer
And Zionist Israel is the ultimate puppet master.

Don't take my word for it,do your own research and Wake TF up.

 

[alasdairm]

You mean the executive orders the courts keep blocking?

sure.

Six times Trump said executive orders were bad before he decided they were actually good

thank goodness trump's such straight shooter so you always know where he stands on this issue.

reminds me of: The 27 times Donald Trump tweeted about Barack Obama playing golf too much

thank goodness trump's such straight shooter so you always know where he stands on this issue.

such fail.

alasdair

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I really don't think it's short sighted to vote on things based upon their direct effects on my daily life.

No I don't remember the Clinton days, I was a child. My first major political memory was the 2000 cou... I mean election. I was about 8 then. I quite honestly don't care about the fact that in the 90s the Clintons supported negative drug policies, but as long as they don't now, I feel that's progressive and ok. Did you think drugs were okay the first time you encountered them? I didn't. People change. Meanwhile, Trump regressed and decided he was hard on drugs, so he could fit in with the 'Silent Majority' Hard-on-for-the-Reagan-era folks.

I've never said that I thought Hillary Clinton was a great person; only that I think she's a better person than Mr. Trump.

 

[Scrofula]

What does Nixon,Ford,Reagan,GHWB,Bubba Clinton,GWB,Obama and Trump have in common,you ask ? All are traitors to the Union and humanity,going back to at least 1933(excluding Kennedy and Carter) they ALL sold out to the Globalist Zionist and Bankster cabal that are hell bent on total global domination to steal the natural resources of all the nations on God's green Earth for their own greed and wealth.If you don't see this by now,it's because you have been totally compromised by the NWO.
The Vatican controls religion.
The City of London controls the finance
Washington DC is the Enforcer
And Zionist Israel is the ultimate puppet master.

Don't take my word for it,do your own research and Wake TF up.

Dude, you know by posting here you can't use sight drafts, right? You forfeit your straw-man account when you sign up. Check the BLUA, the click-through one. You click the box, it's a f'ckin Form 56!

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Interesting:

If Congressional Republicans are waiting for a clear signal of discontent from the party base before asserting more independence from President Trump, they may be waiting for a long time.

That's not because Trump has some distinctly powerful hold on his party rank and file. It's because through the history of modern polling it has been rare for a president to face widespread defections from voters in his own party.

That's been especially true for Republicans. In Gallup presidential job approval polling dating back to the 1940s, only one Republican president has ever drawn support from less than half of his party's partisans: Richard Nixon -- twice in the final months before the Watergate scandal forced his resignation in August 1974. And even Nixon remained safely above 50 percent with Republicans through most of his long ordeal.

- CNN

Trump has shown no party loyalty towards the Republicans. He's also quick to blame others for failure. Does he turn on congress?

Note that the GOP congresscritter's approval rating is around 25% - lower than Trump's already low approval rating. I don't think they can win if Trump starts attacking them.

 

[cduggles]

What does Nixon,Ford,Reagan,GHWB,Bubba Clinton,GWB,Obama and Trump

There's a lot here, so let's just start with a few clarifications, ok?

What about Ford? (I don't think Ford was for the record. He wasn't supposed to be there. And I have other reasons to believe this.) Was Kennedy assassinated before he could betray the Union or because of it? What about LBJ?

All are traitors to the Union and humanity,going back to at least 1933

As in the Union of the Civil War? If not, which one?

...to steal the natural resources of all the nations on God's green Earth...

And do what with them? Are they taking them to a nearby planet because they understand what is happening to this one? Is this about the colony on Mars where children are kidnapped. subject to abuse by pedophiles, a young adulthood of servitude and then their adrenaline and possibly other things are harvested?[/QUOTE]

The Vatican controls religion.
And Zionist Israel is the ultimate puppet master.

These two groups aren't particularly chummy. By which I mean that one of them actively supported the mass killing of the other, and that was after a lot of years of sanctioned killing. And it was not that long ago, although Ratzinger was a member of Hitler Youth. Or is it the disgusting pedophile thing and they want to go to Mars?
--------
Where should start with our research, waketfup.com? Somewhere else?

 

[Scrofula]

[sigh] Ms. cduggles, don't you know that when the US went off the gold standard in 1933, it created fictitious accounts for every US citizen as collateral instead (technically, the 1936 Social Security Act did this)? You can reclaim these accounts (>$635,000) through various hard-to-find provisions in the Unifrom Commerical Code.

Yes, this totally relates to the 13th amendment. You realize that there are two of you, your person and your de jure "legal" person. By making joinder with the states you effectively forfeit your sovereign rights as a free person to the state. At birth we were all solely citizens of the United States, but by using driver's licenses or respond to notices in the name of our legal person, we in effect sign a state's user agreement and lose access to our Zionist controlled bank accounts.

If you want proof of this, look no further than your local courtroom (I'm sure you've been to a few) and notice the gold fringe on the flag--something that can ONLY be used in situations subject to admiralty law. It is thus appropriate to respond to the judge, "officer on board" whenever she enters.

The state loves to use punctuation to try to confuse you. Remember that punctuation and CapITal Letttering is vital to win your case.

And remember, the county sheriff is the highest ranking government official. This is posse commitatus, not the thing that just says federal troops have no jurisdiction over civilians.

Do you really need more proof that this is really what MMT and yes, millions of Americans, and also Canadians and Brits and Ozzes and Neezes think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVbiefMdNU

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Redemption_movement

 

[LiquidMethod]

in the opinions of many, no reasonable, rational person would have voted for trump. so your attacks are quite hypocritical. i also find it appalling that you would vote for trump. fancy that.

I didn't vote. But I did place a nice little wager on Trump winning. I didn't listen to the fake polls or media because I understood that they were perpetuating bullshit. I got my news from real sources, which unfortunately is random Youtube commentators who are not working at the behest of corporate interests.

at what cost, is my fear.

Fearmongering. NUCLEAR HITLER MUST BE STOPPED!

indeed.

bit snarky

as short-sighted as voting on other issues like abortion or guns? yet a lot of people are single-issue voters when it comes to those issues...

Why lower oneself to the level of single-issue voters? Trump ran on many attractive platforms to sensible people and he is attempting to fulfill his campaign promises which is incongruous to career politicians.

Never said Trump was perfect, but overall he's doing a hell of a good job compared to the alternative. Look at how much the war mongering rhetoric emanating from the WH has subsided. That in itself is good reason to support the current administration. Oh, unless you are a war-mongering supporter of Neoliberal (Neoconservative?) foreign policy dressed up as "humanitarian interventions". The way Democrats have turned Liberals into supporters of murdering innocent people overseas is disgusting.

his approval ratings are historically low

Media filling people's heads with rubbish, consistent 24/7 smear and slander plus presenting the same polling that said he had no chance to win doesn't fill me with much confidence regarding these claims.

i assume you just gloss over the fact that the republicans have control of the white house, the house and the senate and yet have passed no meaningful legislation since his inauguration. he's not quite the glorious negotiator he lead us to believe, is he?

This comment illustrates that you fail to understand the dynamics involved. The current political system in the US has turned into one big criminal gang with Republicans & Democrats basically on the same page when it comes to the important issues (to the ones in power) like maintaining the status quo, lining their own pockets, misleading the American public through the media and retaining power to pass legislation that only benefits themselves at the expense of the average person. So I am not the least bit surprised that many Republicans vehemently oppose anything Trump is doing. They are far more aligned with Democrats than they are to their own "party".

indeed, it seems the only way he can get anything done is by signing executive orders which is something he never stopped giving obama shit for. more blatant hypocrisy. yeah, your guy is a real straight shooter. executive orders are the devil's tool. until they aren't

Exactly. Trump is not responsible for how previous administrations consolidated an unacceptable amount of power to the Executive. If a President is a puppet serving a Deep State agenda then EOs can be used dangerously and irresponsibly. Since Trump is basically at war with the Deep State and large segment of Congress (including "his party") then EOs are seemingly the only way he will be able to enact any positive changes.

"The measure of a man is what he does with power". - Plato

lol. yet another thing trump had bigly problems with. until he didn't. your guy is a real straight shooter on this issue too...

There are some problems with the EC and the current voting system in general but I have to say that this time it worked how it was supposed to. The Clinton camp tried to subvert the democratic process and influence the election, however they were unable thanks to the overwhelming and widespread support for Trump which was realized through the EC. Hypocrisy goes both ways, if the Democrats won they would be lauding the effectiveness of the EC instead of criticizing it.

 

[LiquidMethod]

Anyway liquid , you stole your God emporer line from Dave. You two aren't related are you?

Actually no, everyone knows it was Vladimir Putin that coined this phrase and disseminated it to Trump supporters through his legion of vodka-swilling forum-hackers.

 

[Scrofula]

I happen to know a Mr Frank Herbert coined the phrase, actually, about a rather vermiform individual who I would still vote for before the thing in the residence now.

(Dave/Liquid, you should have let it go)

 

[RDP89]

The only way Democrats can win in 2020 is if they run Tulsi Gabbard, Nina Turner or maybe Bernie Sanders.
They should also start offering some concrete policies that people can rally behind.
Otherwise get used to 8 years of The God Emperor.

I really hate the GOP, but the dems aren't a whole lot better. Fuck this two party system, it just peretually fucks over the working class.