2017 Trump Presidency Thread
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cduggles
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Idiocracy!
Scrofula
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No, that's the president, President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Comacho.
Or just Dwane
We'll never forget his stirring words: "Shit. I know shit's bad right now. With all that starving bullshit. And the dust storms. And we're running out of French Fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution"
Even he can make sentences without repeating simple adjectives.
Or just Dwane
We'll never forget his stirring words: "Shit. I know shit's bad right now. With all that starving bullshit. And the dust storms. And we're running out of French Fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution"
Even he can make sentences without repeating simple adjectives.
Escher's Waterfall
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Note that he doesn't blame others either.
Escher's Waterfall
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A transparent wall with solar panels...
cduggles
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^^This type of wall prevents the casualties due to people standing on the US side of the wall and the "bad hombres" throwing 60lb bags of drugs over the wall and injuring innocent Americans.
What wall? Probably something Obama and Hillary put up. 8)
What wall? Probably something Obama and Hillary put up. 8)
Escher's Waterfall
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At this point, if the drugs are valuable enough, why not use a souped up drone?
Scrofula
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They've already got like six-lane hidden freeways under the border with electricity/HVAC/Cinnabon. I think the coal carts even have a Sharper Image catalog. And yet tens of millions of Americans thought "Wall" was a selling point.
cduggles
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Because Defense Secretary Jim Mattis is hiding them from Trump.
"Mattis, I want every 60lb bags of drugs thrown by Mexican rapists over the wall picked up and given to Jared so I can tell my base that yes Mexicans are killing Americans with drug bags but because of me, they are actually paying for the Wall. Brilliant, right?" - Trump
"Yes sir, but the technology needed was actually just something people used in the movies. It's just a concept." - Mattis
"Oh, we should definitely make some". -Trump
"We're working on it." - Mattis
"Great!" - Trump
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subotai
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I'm not a Trump supporter (I dislike both parties equally), but I dont hate the guy either. Here's a few things I feel like are happening over the most controversial president in history.
*ill preface by saying I am a 25 year old white male*
- I feel like it seems like more people hate him than actually do. You don't hear about the people who don't mind him because, generally speaking, they have jobs that take up most of their time, and families that take up the rest. Obviously, somebody had to vote for this guy, or he would not have became President. Silently Majority people, sorry to break the news that it does exist. Obama had millions of people with nothing better to do bused in for his inauguration because it was a once in a lifetime event. First black president's inauguration. History being made. Trump is just another rich white guy who won. And it was raining that day. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out why less people showed up.
- most protestors don't even know what they are protesting. It's just something to post on Snapchat. Kind of comical tbh
- He isn't a career politician, and I don't care at all. I'm sick of career politicians. I'm sick of the phrase "well, it's politics!". No, **** that. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Voting in Hillary Clinton does nothing for me because she takes more money from corporations and PACs than Trump by far. I really don't get how people just brush that aside. Democrats do not have your personal interests in mind, they just siphon more money from taxing our workforce to people who make excuses to not get a job. But their votes still count! Democrats basically buy votes from poor people by giving them social services out the wazoo. The rich still get richer whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge, get used to it.
- He bombed Syria, an active war zone. Soooo much worse than Obama ordering more drone strikes than ever before in Pakistan, a supposedly neutral country.
- he said a few racist things. Welp, can't say I never joined him in that endeavor before. But you know something, I always hear from people that they respect honesty over fake ness. At least you know where Trump stands, unlike Hillary who will smile in your face as she smugly looks at all the poor people who voted for her.
-Now, I don't think building a wall on the Mexican border is a good idea at all, because it won't stop the problem. It would create some jobs I guess, but not enough to justify the expense. We need to make careers, not jobs. There needs to be more focus on STEM subjects for impoverished youth to learn a trade, and start working in it once they are of age.
Otherwise, why wouldn't they just resort to living off the dole and making money illegally and tax free? Why would you work at Wendy's for $8 an hour when you can make $80 an hour selling drugs?
Increasing the minimum wage won't help ANYTHING. I hate when people spout that nonsense. All that will do is jack up the cost of living for everyone. I worked minimum wage jobs before, and you know what I did? I GOT ANOTHER JOB! Whoa, who woulda thought it was that easy? Learn how to do something that makes you valuable to an employer, and it will take care of itself. Anyone can make French fries, not everyone can drive the tractor trailers that drop off the French fries. Why should people be paid more for doing something a trained monkey could do? You work your way up, it's only been happening forever all time in human existence but hey, let's go and change that now so everyone can make as much money as they need to have an unlimited cell phone and HBO subscription to watch Game of Thrones and a 70 inch flat screen TV and a new car and cigarettes and weed money and new Jordans. You know, just the essentials.
Are people not being paid enough, or is most of our country just terrible with money management?
I'm just gonna stop here because there's no point in going on, people believe what they want anyway.
*ill preface by saying I am a 25 year old white male*
- I feel like it seems like more people hate him than actually do. You don't hear about the people who don't mind him because, generally speaking, they have jobs that take up most of their time, and families that take up the rest. Obviously, somebody had to vote for this guy, or he would not have became President. Silently Majority people, sorry to break the news that it does exist. Obama had millions of people with nothing better to do bused in for his inauguration because it was a once in a lifetime event. First black president's inauguration. History being made. Trump is just another rich white guy who won. And it was raining that day. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out why less people showed up.
- most protestors don't even know what they are protesting. It's just something to post on Snapchat. Kind of comical tbh
- He isn't a career politician, and I don't care at all. I'm sick of career politicians. I'm sick of the phrase "well, it's politics!". No, **** that. Nothing changes if nothing changes. Voting in Hillary Clinton does nothing for me because she takes more money from corporations and PACs than Trump by far. I really don't get how people just brush that aside. Democrats do not have your personal interests in mind, they just siphon more money from taxing our workforce to people who make excuses to not get a job. But their votes still count! Democrats basically buy votes from poor people by giving them social services out the wazoo. The rich still get richer whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge, get used to it.
- He bombed Syria, an active war zone. Soooo much worse than Obama ordering more drone strikes than ever before in Pakistan, a supposedly neutral country.
- he said a few racist things. Welp, can't say I never joined him in that endeavor before. But you know something, I always hear from people that they respect honesty over fake ness. At least you know where Trump stands, unlike Hillary who will smile in your face as she smugly looks at all the poor people who voted for her.
-Now, I don't think building a wall on the Mexican border is a good idea at all, because it won't stop the problem. It would create some jobs I guess, but not enough to justify the expense. We need to make careers, not jobs. There needs to be more focus on STEM subjects for impoverished youth to learn a trade, and start working in it once they are of age.
Otherwise, why wouldn't they just resort to living off the dole and making money illegally and tax free? Why would you work at Wendy's for $8 an hour when you can make $80 an hour selling drugs?
Increasing the minimum wage won't help ANYTHING. I hate when people spout that nonsense. All that will do is jack up the cost of living for everyone. I worked minimum wage jobs before, and you know what I did? I GOT ANOTHER JOB! Whoa, who woulda thought it was that easy? Learn how to do something that makes you valuable to an employer, and it will take care of itself. Anyone can make French fries, not everyone can drive the tractor trailers that drop off the French fries. Why should people be paid more for doing something a trained monkey could do? You work your way up, it's only been happening forever all time in human existence but hey, let's go and change that now so everyone can make as much money as they need to have an unlimited cell phone and HBO subscription to watch Game of Thrones and a 70 inch flat screen TV and a new car and cigarettes and weed money and new Jordans. You know, just the essentials.
Are people not being paid enough, or is most of our country just terrible with money management?
I'm just gonna stop here because there's no point in going on, people believe what they want anyway.
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I think the main reason I personally dislike Mr. Trump is his association with and appointment of people like Jeff Sessions and Mike Pence. I dislike them much more than Trump. They're the true menace to society.
i'm curious what makes you think this is true.subotai said:
have you ever been to a political demonstration?
people love to put down political activists and people that engage in political protests - but the last thing i would say about most people i've ever known that are politically engaged enough to attend rallies is that they "don't even know what they are protesting". it's very easy for people with a media platform to criticise people that are involved in organised dissent, and "protestors" have no right of reply.
easy - and popular - targets, who don't have the sort of legal, economic or political clout to (for example) sue for defamation (as a public figure or member of the trump mafia would)
you don't put your liberty and personal safety on the line for the sake of 'snapchat' or whatever shallow cultural phenomenon is the flavour of the month.
take my word for it - when you are surrounded by riot cops brandishing billy clubs, tasers and CS spray, arresting and beating people all around you, you are forced to consider why you've put yourself in that situation - and if you stay there, it's because you strongly believe it is thge right thing to do.
sure, there are 'weekend activists', or whatever - but i'd suggest this idea that demonstrators aren't well informed politically is simply a smear.
i'm not in the USA at the moment, but as an Australian looiking on, i can't see why anyone isn't taking to the streets; your country, and your democracy is being stolen from under your noses.
i mix with a lot of politically active people, and have been to lots of political demonstrations myself and i can assure you that in my experience as an activist over the last two decades, people who attend protests and rallies are probably the most politically well-informed people i know.
we take time out from out lives to get involved because we see things happening that we don't agree with, and hopw - with other likeminded people - to have dome influence over what is going on, or at least to have our voices heard.
it's inefficient, it's dangerous - i've witnessed some horrible injuries and all manner of police brutality over the years - but for the most part i don't think people tend to engage in politicasl demonstrations "something to post on Snapchat.
it's not a social thing, or an ego thing, for the most part. it's a lazy mischaracterisation, which is kinda ironic - considering you're saying that protestors are ill-informed.
the corporate media always accuses activists of being poorly-inforned, because they like to maintain the fiction that only people who watch their 5 second sound byte reporting are those that are 'informed' (as opposed to those that engage in political activism because they are appalled at the narrative).
it's an easy thing to accuse people of, but it's just not true most of the time.
i'm not going to deny that civil disobedience is fun - it is, and i recommend it to anyone with the courage to stand up to powerful scumbags - but i've not met too many politically active people that aren't also very well informed about what they're demonstrating. you have to be, to justify (to yourself) why you are risking arrest and a beating by police - to get a point across.
i'll never forget the first time i was in a crowd that was attacked by a horse charge by the mounted police. it changed my outlook forever, seeing kids getting kicked in the face by police on horses, or seeing the horses trample people.
i really think americans should be out on the streets causing civil unrest while they still can.
i tend to think that good men and women didn't fight the second world war against totalitarianism, only to have it stolen by a human turd like trump.
how quickly some people forget
fwiw, i think people supported trump because america has such a perverse wealth inequality, and enough people thought that his contempt for dignified politicking meant he would be on their (the "little guys'") side.
unfortunately, that's almost the inverse of what's true - he has no respect for anything except his own ego - but the stubborn cognitive dissonance of his supporters is so great, that they either will never realise - or acknowledge (even to themselves) that he is making things far, far worse for working americans.
USA's cultural is so obsessed with wealth and materialism that most working class people aren't even aware that they're working class - and hence, they vote as though they were rich - because that's what they aspire to - and end up voting against their own interests, as Trump voters did last november.
trump will only make the rich richer and the poor poorer (those that don't die of preventable illness because he made America's diabolical health system even worse). as a fellow westerner, it is sad to watch. i feel for you guys - but please, don't believe the hype that trump isn't such a bad guy.
he's fucking scum. give him hell.
i'm no clinton fan - but seriously - trump is the most dishonest politician i've ever come across.subotai said:
he's so full of shit i wouldn't know where to begin- so i just won't.
i'd say "he insults the american public's intelligence"....but i do wonder sometimes if there is much there to insult.
some people say "you get (ie deserve) what you vote for" - but i don't think anyone deserves trump - no matter how many horrendous wars your country has launched across the globe, or how many innocent people have died because of US "interventions" or trade sanctions.
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Erikmen
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Great post spacejunk! I mean it.
I feel you have covered basically everything I wanted to say about the subject. Ever since Trump was elected I still don't believe how the United States could have elected such dishonest person for President. It's not that he lied during the campaign.
I'm also very surprised when people say 'oh I don't like Trump but at least he did this or that'. Is America now settling for so much less? Is this still denial I wonder, and again, an intelligent society accepting BS speeches from an arrogant manipulator that looks ' from the outside' as if he has now developed hypnotic powers over millions of Americans nowadays.
I'm not american, although someone in my family is but I have lived in the US, in different cities/states, studied there for years and worked for the State Department for almost 6 years. Not in one million years I would have imagined that Trump would be elected. I would have lost money if I had to bet against him. So I believe with Trump in North America, the crisis in South America, Putin in Russian and Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines - not to mention North Korea. Everything can happen.
Like I said, with so much dirty spread all around, people are settling for so much less imho. Despite of all investigations and all the great people in the United States, I believe this is a major step back in history.
I feel you have covered basically everything I wanted to say about the subject. Ever since Trump was elected I still don't believe how the United States could have elected such dishonest person for President. It's not that he lied during the campaign.
I'm also very surprised when people say 'oh I don't like Trump but at least he did this or that'. Is America now settling for so much less? Is this still denial I wonder, and again, an intelligent society accepting BS speeches from an arrogant manipulator that looks ' from the outside' as if he has now developed hypnotic powers over millions of Americans nowadays.
I'm not american, although someone in my family is but I have lived in the US, in different cities/states, studied there for years and worked for the State Department for almost 6 years. Not in one million years I would have imagined that Trump would be elected. I would have lost money if I had to bet against him. So I believe with Trump in North America, the crisis in South America, Putin in Russian and Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines - not to mention North Korea. Everything can happen.
Like I said, with so much dirty spread all around, people are settling for so much less imho. Despite of all investigations and all the great people in the United States, I believe this is a major step back in history.
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thanks man 
i've been going to political demos since before i was old enough to vote (ie before most activism was largely 'online') and i can assure anyone who is wondering that most activists i know talk about politics (and read about politics) constantly! it's not some bid to be cool or get noticed.
hell, i got caught cutting class once because my teacher saw mew on the tv news (but she said "good on ya!" hehe)
maybe when i was at university, there were some 'trendy' protest-goers that bailed as soon as shit got heavy at rallies - but mostly, people i know in activists circles are prepared to do whatever they can to help one another - which very often means putting your body on the line. you develop pretty tight bonds with people when youve locked arms together to withstand police physically assaulting crowds of people. don't listen to what the tv news tellsa you - activists by far the most courageous, honourable and well-informed people i've ever known - and i've mixed in a wide range of subcultures and other weird social circles (music scene people, underground drug communities).
generally, people who know, understand and care enough to get involved in protest movements are those that truly give a shit about the world, and people.
that doesn't come about by being ill-informed.
all the activists i've ever known have been obsessive learners, and have been the of the most voracious consumers of political knowledge (be it theory, history or reading reports of current events)
i'm talking about the 'left' here. i'm sure nationalist groups have a similar kind of solidarity - but obviously it's a very narrow and superficial manifestation of it, and completely toxic ideologically.
still - comrades are comrades.
i've been going to political demos since before i was old enough to vote (ie before most activism was largely 'online') and i can assure anyone who is wondering that most activists i know talk about politics (and read about politics) constantly! it's not some bid to be cool or get noticed.
hell, i got caught cutting class once because my teacher saw mew on the tv news (but she said "good on ya!" hehe)
maybe when i was at university, there were some 'trendy' protest-goers that bailed as soon as shit got heavy at rallies - but mostly, people i know in activists circles are prepared to do whatever they can to help one another - which very often means putting your body on the line. you develop pretty tight bonds with people when youve locked arms together to withstand police physically assaulting crowds of people. don't listen to what the tv news tellsa you - activists by far the most courageous, honourable and well-informed people i've ever known - and i've mixed in a wide range of subcultures and other weird social circles (music scene people, underground drug communities).
generally, people who know, understand and care enough to get involved in protest movements are those that truly give a shit about the world, and people.
that doesn't come about by being ill-informed.
all the activists i've ever known have been obsessive learners, and have been the of the most voracious consumers of political knowledge (be it theory, history or reading reports of current events)
i'm talking about the 'left' here. i'm sure nationalist groups have a similar kind of solidarity - but obviously it's a very narrow and superficial manifestation of it, and completely toxic ideologically.
still - comrades are comrades.
Escher's Waterfall
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Main reason why I don't like Trump is that I think he weakens America.
Sure, the bigotry, the groping, the stupid tweets, and the general out-of-touchness he has for the middle class annoys me, but I'm pragmatic enough to overlook that if I thought he'd be a good president. He's not. He's just a 1%er looking out for the interest of the other 1%ers in some sort of assumed zero-sum game where they think they'll get richer if they take more money from the rest of us.
Sure, the bigotry, the groping, the stupid tweets, and the general out-of-touchness he has for the middle class annoys me, but I'm pragmatic enough to overlook that if I thought he'd be a good president. He's not. He's just a 1%er looking out for the interest of the other 1%ers in some sort of assumed zero-sum game where they think they'll get richer if they take more money from the rest of us.
Scrofula
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Well, that part IS zero-sum. One pot of wealth, the more you have, the less someone else has.
Unless you want to go with the "wealth is our love for each other" thing, but I'm broke that way too.
Trump's a lucky, very dim bulb, who learned a few business "tips" from used-car salesmen in the early 80's, and hasn't learned shit since. But he was on TV and smart people hate him, so let's vote him in for the lulz.
See, I don't hate the man, I hate that mentality.
Unless you want to go with the "wealth is our love for each other" thing, but I'm broke that way too.
Trump's a lucky, very dim bulb, who learned a few business "tips" from used-car salesmen in the early 80's, and hasn't learned shit since. But he was on TV and smart people hate him, so let's vote him in for the lulz.
See, I don't hate the man, I hate that mentality.
Escher's Waterfall
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Only in the very short term. In the long term, the economy can grow or shrink.
Scrofula
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Sure, the pot may grow 2.5% in a good year, so do the people . . . .
David Wooderson
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For the money and pollution we should just employ state of the art drones to act as the wall.
You could equip them with tear gas and tazers.
They already passed a bill in ND to use them on citizens, why not build a million drones for 1/10th the price of a physical wall?
So you wouldn't mind loaning me a few million then Scrofula?
I mean if dim bulb can become a multi billionaire surely you must have hundreds of billions lying around.
Sure Trump was given money by his father, sure Trump was in the right place at the right time, ut so were 1,000's of others who are not the current president.
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Scrofula
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It would help with employment, since the military ones take like two pilots, and two guys in between to relay commands, chiropractors and proctologists for all the sitting, and of course a therapist for the aftermath.
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