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Has Political Correctness Gone Mad?

Yep.

It's not only the government and the likes where this is true. More and more people seem to take it upon themselves to find prejudice where there is none, to get personally offended where there need not be offence.

The far left are just about ready to pounce on anyone who says anything that MIGHT be offensive to people or groups that the far left have seemingly sworn allegiance to such as the LGBT community, immigrants, islam / muslims, disabled people, etc etc.

For example - expressing concern about immigration, for any and all reasons, will brand you as racist. Expressing any negative views on Islam - racist. Even just stating facts that may cast a negative light over a group or ideology is enough to get a few digs about being ignorant, racist or intellectually challenged.

The thing about this wave of extreme social warrior bullshit is is that a lot of the time they are doing the exact thing that they're crying about - just from a different view point.
 
Yep.

It's not only the government and the likes where this is true. More and more people seem to take it upon themselves to find prejudice where there is none, to get personally offended where there need not be offence.

The far left are just about ready to pounce on anyone who says anything that MIGHT be offensive to people or groups that the far left have seemingly sworn allegiance to such as the LGBT community, immigrants, islam / muslims, disabled people, etc etc.

For example - expressing concern about immigration, for any and all reasons, will brand you as racist. Expressing any negative views on Islam - racist. Even just stating facts that may cast a negative light over a group or ideology is enough to get a few digs about being ignorant, racist or intellectually challenged.

The thing about this wave of extreme social warrior bullshit is is that a lot of the time they are doing the exact thing that they're crying about - just from a different view point.

That's because "concern about immigration" is in nearly all cases a code-phrase for racism. In my life, I've known more white and asian people who've remained in the country when they, according to the letter of the law, should not have. But no one talks about a wall across the border with Canada or interdicting airliners at SEATAC, PDX, or SFO. It's always "build a wall between us and them Mexicans" or "Don't let the A-rabs land in 'merica".

I'm with you on the Islam thing tho. It drives me up the wall when people assume that Muslim == Arab and vice versa. Personally, I think the world would be better off without religion in general; but especially all three of the Abrahamic ones. And for the life of me, I don't see why religion should enjoy 1st amendment and non-discrimination protections along with race, sex, gender, origin, orientation, and such. All of the latter are immutable traits inherent to the individual; where religion is just an ideology one makes the choice to adopt and, in some cases, an organization with which one chooses to associate themselves.
 
The far left are just about ready to pounce on anyone who says anything that MIGHT be offensive to people or groups that the far left have seemingly sworn allegiance to such as the LGBT community, immigrants, islam / muslims, disabled people, etc etc.
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Since when is pc-Ness "far left"? I think its usually fence sitting centrists guilty of pandering.

Otoh, protecting the rights of the disempowered or vulnerable is pretty left. I'm all for that.
 
This article was published on the Guardian website today.
It's rather Aus-centric (with regard to the discussion about Universities and federal Minister Peter Dutton (one of Australia's most repugnant citizens) - but it makes some good points.
Namely that "political correctness" really has no definition, and is simply a dismissive conservative rhetorical device.

Link

'Political correctness' has no meaning. That's the main appeal
Jeff Sparrow

Australians, said Peter Dutton this week, are “sick of the political correctness”.

Last year, Dutton urged us to “rise up” against political correctness, a phenomenon he blamed for stifling the enjoyment of Christmas music.

But his December revolution must have misfired somewhere. In 2017, he’s still lamenting the PC scourge, in a discussion of marriage equality in which he urged CEOs to “stick to their knitting” rather than opine about government policy.

What is this all-powerful doctrine that deters Peter Dutton from his carolling? What, precisely, does “political correctness” mean? The short answer is: almost nothing, and thus pretty much anything you like. The long answer entails a detour through recent cultural history.


Political correctness: how the right invented a phantom enemy

As the journalist Richard Cooke recently noted on Twitter, for most of the 20th century, conservatives maintained a pretty unequivocal position on censorship: they supported it.

Until quite recently, the Australian state was notorious for banning books, films, plays and anything much else that transgressed against traditional Christian morality. In 1941, the Postmaster-General described James Joyce’s Ulysses as “a filthy book that should not only be banned but burnt”. As late as 1972, Australia prohibited novels by William S Burroughs, Jean Genet, Henry Miller and Gore Vidal.


Today, conservatives decry “political correctness” for imposing a gag on ordinary people on behalf of a cultural elite. Yet that was pretty much exactly the logic of the old censorship regime that they backed: wealthy connoisseurs could ogle “artistic” nudes, while police ruthlessly suppressed racy magazines aimed at a mass audience.

It took extensive direct action by leftists to smash the old system: think of Wendy Bacon and the libertarians at Tharunka setting out to shock the establishment with their provocations, even at the risk of prison. Yes, Virginia, people went to jail in Australia (real jail, that is: not the make-believe jail Andrew Bolt seems to think he faces) for publishing stuff that conservatives didn’t like.

Until the late 80s, the term “political correctness” was almost never used in the mainstream media. Insofar as the phrase circulated, it did so on the left – but not in the way you might think.

“Political correctness” was not a terminology devised by the Frankfurt School for the nefarious program of cultural Marxists. Rather, it was a joke, a gag employed by anti-censorious lefties in the US.

As Moira Weigel argues:

‘Politically correct’ became a kind of in-joke among American leftists – something you called a fellow leftist when you thought he or she was being self-righteous … Until the late 1980s, ‘political correctness’ was used exclusively within the left, and almost always ironically as a critique of excessive orthodoxy.

Jesse Walker makes the same point, noting that American radicals used “’politically correct’ [as] an unkind term for leftists who acted as though good politics were simply a matter of mastering the right jargon.” The phrase only entered the mainstream during the so-called American campus wars of the late 80s and the early 90s.


In October 1990, Richard Bernstein of the New York Times published a piece entitled The Rising Hegemony of the Politically Correct, in which he decried a censorious regime enforcing “a cluster of opinions about race, ecology, feminism, culture and foreign policy [that] defines a kind of ‘correct’ attitude toward the problems of the world …”

Over the next few months, the Wall Street Journal, Newsweek, New York Magazine and Time chimed in with similar articles. The phrase spread across the world, including to Australia – and has remained a stock term in the arsenal of rightwing populism ever since.

But how were conservatives able to present themselves so quickly as opponents of censorship, given their long history of opposition to free speech?

The articles that popularised “political correctness” as a phrase and as an idea came on the heels of several books decrying the influence of the campus left. In 1987, Allan Bloom published his remarkable bestseller, The Closing of the American Mind. In 1990, Roger Kimball followed him with Tenured Radicals: How Politics Has Corrupted Our Higher Education. In 1991, Dinesh D’Souza chimed in with Illiberal Education: The Politics of Race and Sex on Campus.


As Weigal says, the first crop of anti-PC articles built upon these texts, which, without necessarily using the words “political correctness”, popularised a perception of American universities as hotbeds of subversion, intolerance and bien pensant gibberish.

Yet, in other respects, the arguments made by Bloom et al were very different from those mouthed by anti-PC warriors today. The Closing of the American Mind offered a spirited defence of the traditional university. For Bloom and Kimball, campus leftists, feminists and deconstructionists undermined the western canon with a relativism that declared Bugs Bunny the cultural equal of Shakespeare.

In that sense, the early anti-PC push came from men who were unabashedly elitist.

Kimball quotes Cardinal Newman’s description of a university as dedicated to “a cultivated intellect, a delicate taste, a candid equitable dispassionate mind” and so on.

It’s a passage likely to provoke a bitter laugh from anyone associated with today’s degree factories. These days, your liberal education gets delivered by underpaid postgrads on short-term contracts, young men and women far too concerned with paying their rent to cultivate delicate tastes. The old fashioned university has largely disappeared – destroyed by the right’s enthusiasm for the market, not by the machination of radical academics.



In any case, the rhetoric once used to defend high culture against leftist barbarians now studs the speeches of men who have never read a book in their life. Think of Donald Trump: when he decries political correctness, he’s not urging a return to Plato but defending calling women “dogs” and “pigs”.

Roger Kimball helped establish the notion of the modern university awash with sneering, politically correct professors. But Kimball blamed the “tenured radicals” for what he called “the degraded pop culture that permeates our lives like a corrosive fog”.

Fast forward to 2017, and opposition to political correctness means characters like Milo Yiannopoulos, who built his journalistic “reputation” by arguing about video games. Bloom sought to protect universities from vulgarity; Milo tells students their teachers are “cunts”.

Yet that fairly significant shift in the argument hasn’t dinted the popularity of anti-PC rhetoric in the slightest. How is that possible?

Amanda Taub notes that the term “political correctness” almost never gets allocated any specific meaning. “What defines it,” she says, “is not what it describes but how it’s used: as a way to dismiss a concern or demand as a frivolous grievance rather than a real issue.”

When you label someone “politically correct”, you’re saying that they’re innately ridiculous
You can see what she means if you re-read the foundational articles from 1990 and 1991. If, in some ways, they describe a vanished world, the voice in which they do so remains instantly familiar: all of them written in a lightly ironic or overtly sarcastic register, with the author presented as a common sense outsider wryly bemused by the preposterous antics thus chronicled.

While every piece contains multiple instances of liberal censoriousness, the specifics aren’t really the point. Indeed, they’re often wrong.

For instance, Are you politically correct? – John Taylor’s influential piece for New York Magazine – opens with a chilling account of PC students hounding Harvard professor Stephan Thernstrom:

‘Racist’ ‘Racist!’ ‘The man is a racist!’ Such denunciations, hissed in tones of self-righteousness and contempt, vicious and vengeful, furious, smoking with hatred – such denunciations haunted Stephen Thernstrom for weeks … It was hellish, this persecution. Thernstrom couldn’t sleep. His nerves were frayed, his temper raw.

Scary stuff.

Yet, as Erica Hellerstein and Judd Legum explain, the account was fictionalised, with Thernstrom himself admitting that “nothing like that ever happened”. Yes, he was criticised by his students – and then he simply decided not to offer that particular course any more.

Similarly, Newsweek eventually amended its equally significant 1990 article Taking Offense. The correction reads:

In our cover story about politically correct thought on campus … Newsweek stated that ‘at Sarah Lawrence and a few other places the PC spelling is “womyn,” without the “men”.’ Though some individuals at the college may follow this practice, the school does not, in fact, endorse the alternative spelling of “women”. Newsweek regrets the mistake and any embarrassment it may have caused the college.

Everyone makes errors. But these blunders neatly illustrate Taub’s point: writers attacking “political correctness” need neither definitions nor facts since they never embark on a good faith engagement with their subject.


You can argue about the merits or otherwise of alternative feminist spellings. You can critique deconstruction and Marxism and anything else you like. But when you label someone “politically correct”, you’re saying that they’re innately ridiculous and not worth taking seriously.


That’s the point of the term – and that’s why it’s become so ubiquitous.

When CEOs wrote to Malcolm Turnbull about marriage equality, Peter Dutton’s denunciation of “political correctness” was simply a rhetorical tic: a way of swatting away a problem that he didn’t want to confront.

Marriage equality enjoys overwhelming support from the Australian public and has done so for a long time. The most recent polls show that, even in conservative electorates, the majority of people want the question resolved in the affirmative.

The opponents of equal marriage, on the other hand, are a small group of zealots, committed to imposing their cultural and moral values on the rest of us. No obfuscation changes that.
 
For example - expressing concern about immigration, for any and all reasons, will brand you as racist. Expressing any negative views on Islam - racist. Even just stating facts that may cast a negative light over a group or ideology is enough to get a few digs about being ignorant, racist or intellectually challenged.

That's because for the most part those that speak about Islam and immigration now a days are hidden white supremacist. They talk about "western culture" to hide it. The west barely receives any refugees proportionate to the fact it was us that caused the problem in the first place. Then they list the crimes refugees commited as if that's "proof" of anything even though statistically immigrants commit less crimes than the general population, even if there where terrorists acts every month accepting refugees for our actions is the right thing to do.

Better believe piece of shit bigots need to be called out for what they are. Islam you've got sort of a point but it's barely a blip compared to the Christian terrorists infecting American government and taking control of the south. Way more, discrimination, deaths and problems from Christians in America right now than Muslims especially since they are heading our government.

The thing about this wave of extreme social warrior bullshit is is that a lot of the time they are doing the exact thing that they're crying about - just from a different view point.

lol sure dude the ol being intolerant of intolerance is the real intolerance!
 
To me the idea that "criticising" other cultures and belief systems in the way the anti-islam mob do - but taking exception to being called "racist" or "bigot" is a classic example of right-wing "political correctness".

I'm so sick of thw blame game. If someone believes their culture is "superior", why not demonstrate it through actions, not just highly defensive words?

The problem with scapegoating any religious minority is that it is usually racist, ignorant and/or "intellecually challenged".

If "plain speaking" were really what the anti-PC lobby was all about, surely those on the right who feel this way should be able to accept this kind of criticism.
I don't wish to be censored in my efforts to oppose racist agendas. If people don't like being called racist or xenophobic, the simple solution is to not be racist or xenophobic.

Easy.
 
It's 'Political Correctness Gone Mad' when people are afraid of voicing their opinions in case they offend someone. That's not to say that I condone anyone being gratuitously offensive purely to provoke a reaction, but those who are too easily offended just need to get over themselves. To paraphrase the late, great Christopher Hitchens, "So you're offended, do I really give a fuck?"
 
It's too far when, for instance, I read about a student in a university who called some black girls 'water buffalo' in anger about their noise level at night, and they got him kicked out of school... The kid was Israeli and apparently 'water buffalo' is just a generic insult over there. It's PC gone mad when people's lives are getting fucked when they haven't even said or done anything. I think that's an extreme case though. The silliest thing I've heard IRL is my friend's older sister said gypsy was a racist term; I mean come on, gypsy is a culture, a nomadic and poverty stricken lifestyle choice; I'd call someone a gypsy even if they weren't of Roma descent.
 
is 'racial vilification' the same thing as 'political correctness' though?
can i call my boss a fat sow?
or a horrible bore?
or a [racial slur, whatever]?
surely in certain environments, there are codes of behaviour in place which need to be observed.

when it comes to language, people always seem to focus on ethnic insults and other things that may "offend" "minorities"
but what about things like sexual harassment?

i mean, i might look at someone and think "man, i wouldn't hesitate to shag that" (or whatever sexual thought may pop into my head) - but i can't say it because it is no longer acceptable in most parts of western society to make sexually suggestive, or sexually aggressive comments to co-workers, fellow students, employees or other people that would consider such comments to be an unwelcome advance.

50 years ago - or less - things were different in this regard.

is that an example of "political correctness", or just society maturing and recognising that words can be harmful, can be damaging and can severely marginalise people?

if it is political correctness that i can't walk up to a waitress and say "phwoar, show us yer tits, love" - is it "mad" political correctness, or PC that we can understand and get behind?
or do we reject it outright and yearn for the days when a man could say all manner of derogatory smutty things to women in public places and not face any consequences whatsoever?


either way, i've been wondering - how does an ill-defined abstract concept "go mad"?

i think it's time we re-worked some aspects of our language to better reflect contemporary ways of thinking.

oh - wait....we tried that already.
a bunch of conservative culture warriors called it political correctness gone mad. and around and around we go...

personally i try not to offend people, unless they're the sort of people that ought to be offended. it's never stopped me from expressing myself - but in certain circumstances i am careful of how i go about doing so.

i mean, to me it's only natural to adjust my tone according to the audience. if i were talking politics with my grandfather when visiting him in the nursing home he lived in, i would possibly choose different vocabulary and emphasis than if i were having the same conversation with my mates in the pub. or with my coworkers, or whatever.
that's not oppressive, it's just being a decent person, and it's not a new concept.

maybe if people feel they're being silenced by social standards, they might want to work through whatever internal conflict is causing that.
it must be hard to go through life convinced that everyone is offended by you.
 
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It's 'Political Correctness Gone Mad' when people are afraid of voicing their opinions in case they offend someone. That's not to say that I condone anyone being gratuitously offensive purely to provoke a reaction, but those who are too easily offended just need to get over themselves. To paraphrase the late, great Christopher Hitchens, "So you're offended, do I really give a fuck?"

This.
 
I occasionally go to the UU (Unitarian Universalist) church in my city because the sermons can be thought-provoking, but something one of the speakers said last time struck me as a bit absurd. Instead of using the acronym LGBT, he said LGBTI+.

Now, I consider myself pretty socially liberal, but when you're using an acronym that contains a mathematical symbol in the interest of political correctness, it's probably time to pause and reflect...
 
^ Be thankful you have a place that is unassuming of your sexuality.

Being unassuming of someone's sexuality is a ban worthy offense here. i.e. just stating that someone "could be gay" is enough to warrant the ban just fyi.
 
^ not really.

when you (one) play the martyr and embellish or exaggerate to do so, people just turn off. likewise, using "political correctness gone mad" to excuse just being a dick.

alasdair
 
There's a difference between saying someone might be gay and calling them a faggot. The latter is derogatory slander.
 
^ not really.

when you (one) play the martyr and embellish or exaggerate to do so, people just turn off. likewise, using "political correctness gone mad" to excuse just being a dick.

alasdair
You overuse the word martyr. You make this sound like some triumph. It's a sad state of affairs.

I never used the F word. I didn't have to prove my point, which is clearly explained above.
 
You overuse the word martyr.
you think?

i have 55355 posts on bluelight. i have used the word martyr 70 times in 15 years. that's once every 800 posts or once every ~80 days. maybe i've used it exactly the right number of times :)

maybe you're just a little touchy about it because i hit a nerve?

alasdair
 
you think?

i have 55355 posts on bluelight. i have used the word martyr 70 times in 15 years. that's once every 800 posts or once every ~80 days. maybe i've used it exactly the right number of times :)

maybe you're just a little touchy about it because i hit a nerve?

alasdair
Make this 3 out of the last 3 responses, to me specifically, that you now have used the word martyr in your posts.

I get to see the bubble.
 
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