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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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morninggloryseed said:
I think i get more offended when you trash us president vs your christian god. 
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Really? Because I've been doing a lot of spiritual inquiries recently, in myself and in Catholicism, and the Christian God is inherently infallible by their very nature of being an incomprehensible, omnipotent being/force/all-encompassing-thing; whereas, Mr. Trump is likely one of the most fallible people in the universe, let alone our planet or country.

I'd go so far as to say Mr. Trump's very existence lends credence to the concept of Deism. Then again, so does the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, Hiroshima... the point is, I think we should insult Mr. Trump as much as we like, and get over God because God won't be here to take part in this discussion, and they speak through no one.
 
Hey...cant fault humor...even if i am not good at it. It is a great way to relate to others.

Trump presidency so far.....

He might be doing better than Id have thought so far. I am anxious where the healthcare bill will go. I feel he is doing as much as he can...he isnt congress...it is up to them.

Not much else to comment on....not much else has happened.

I enjoy watching how people behave and react to a trump presidency. Ive learned so much about people and biases, yes my own too, in this process.
 
Yeah honestly, he hasn't done much at all yet. Pushed through that Keystone pipeline and the like, but that was coming regardless. I'm indifferent to his travel bans. I'm most concerned about the Republican healthcare plans because I've already had cancerous cells removed from my back and if 'Obamacare' hadn't happened while I was in college, I never would have been able to go to the dermatologist and find out I was about to have cancer in the first place. Healthcare is a human right and it's about time law makers saw it that way.

If the man had a single scrap of humility in him I'd respect him infinitely more; he hasn't done anything worse than the like's of Nixon, and of course, Jackson is still on the $10 bill for some reason, so I suppose he really isn't the worst. I just want him to admit that he isn't the second coming.
 
We should all pay for universal healthcare via taxes. Sickness represents an economic burden greater than the burden of a small levy ala Australia's system. It is a fundamental human right. And its not the government providing it, it is citizens enabling the government, financially, to do so.

Socialist idea and very ethical and reasonable imo. I'm happy to pay this levy though I do pay a bit for private healthcare, ambulance cover, etc.
 
Is trump still tweeting from an unsecure device?
Is pence still using his private email server?

The thing about unquestioning devotion to lying politicians is that they make you look a fool.
 
The economy is soaring and actual unemployment is going down as more people are looking for work. Stock market took off, and the nation was spared a hillary presidency.

But its only 40 something days. Good or bad, give it time. Question is can he govern with all of the circus going on. Time will tell. No reason to be a debbie downer yet. Took me 3 years to start hating the last guy.
 
Mmmmm maybe pay for private insurance, or a portion of it...as they are now with the tax credits and health savings accounts... but no universal here. Govt anything sucks. Even the medicare is not great..family in it...i know what im talking about. You have not a lot of choices. Universal means no choice. Socialism makes things equal by making it shittier for everyone. No thanks. Reform the costs and provide a good economy so people can buy insurance...if they wish.

Or go universal but locally like in san fran, or by the state. Ca can do it there.


swilow said:
We should all pay for universal healthcare via taxes. Sickness represents an economic burden greater than the burden of a small levy ala Australia's system. It is a fundamental human right. And its not the government providing it, it is citizens enabling the government, financially, to do so.

Socialist idea and very ethical and reasonable imo. I'm happy to pay this levy though I do pay a bit for private healthcare, ambulance cover, etc.
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Err meant to say as the new plan is calling for.

morninggloryseed said:
Mmmmm maybe pay for private insurance, or a portion of it...as they are now with the tax credits and health savings accounts... but no universal here. Govt anything sucks. Even the medicare is not great..family in it...i know what im talking about. You have not a lot of choices. Universal means no choice. Socialism makes things equal by making it shittier for everyone. No thanks. Reform the costs and provide a good economy so people can buy insurance...if they wish.

Or go universal but locally like in san fran, or by the state. Ca can do it there.
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Job numbers are up in February, but according to Trump aren't the employment numbers "fiction" anyways?

Btw:

Feb 2017 - 235k jobs added.
Feb 2016 - 233k jobs added.
Feb 2015 - 265k jobs added.
Feb 2014 - 168k jobs added.
Feb 2013 - 311k jobs added.
Feb 2012 - 257k jobs added.
Feb 2011 - 188k jobs added.

I'm not seeing anything that remarkable, and giving a president credit for jobs created in the first full month of his term seems kind of silly.
 
morninggloryseed said:
Govt anything sucks.
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What about government enforced laws against rape and murder? ;)

The statement is too black and white. What the government does should be deeply examined with inherent distrust, because humans are corrupt scumbags that deserve fiery ruin, but reflexively considering all government works to "suck" is way too general. We are the government, we make it work for us.

I hate the fact we seem to need a hierachical top-dog bullshit superstructure encompassing everything and I do what I can to subvert, I enjoy deviance yes! But be pragmatic, its a fact and we have to live with it. Force it to not suck through imposing your will on it, in the minor but additive way we all can.

Even the medicare is not great..family in it...i know what im talking about. You have not a lot of choices. Universal means no choice. Socialism makes things equal by making it shittier for everyone. No thanks.
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The US must be different to Aus. Public healthcare here is pretty good really. There are almost intractable problems, with shortages of beds and staff and waiting times and these seem to be getting worse under our shitty right-wing conservative pussy government, but I've experienced it. Before I had money to pay for private health isurance, I sliced my hand open in a drunken rage (accidentally stabbing a table and my hand slipped down the blade, severing tendons/nerves/even skin). I went to a public hospital, got given inhalants and morphine (cheers), was examined and operated on (given more great drugs!) entailing microsurgery, tendon attachment, nerve realignment within 12 hours. I stayed in a room with one other guy, was fed oxycodone and left after being issued 12 free rehabilitation sessions with a great hand therapist. It was my right hand and it now works at 90% deathgrip. All I had to pay for was the ambulance ride of 5 minutes to the emergency department which cost $750 dollars :\ I now pay about $90 a year for ambulance cover, eliminating that ass-raping in the future.

All this is paid for by everyone in a pretty small levy paid yearly at tax time. Its affordable IMO. You just don't have a choice, and I can see how that would bug people but I consider it a decent and very small sacrifice for the greater good.

And I do have choices now. I choose to pay for private health insurance, though it is subsidised by my government funded workplace, and can seek varius medical treatments from multiple providers. And its not all that expensive and really not much better service in comparison to the public system.

I think you've experienced a really bad manifestation of universal health care. The socialist ideals that set it in motion in Australia have been executed well and largely succeeded because of a governemtn that the people chose imposing it upon us and no party has really tried to repeal it with serious intent ever since. It can certainly work and not represent a huge personal burden.
Reform the costs and provide a good economy so people can buy insurance...if they wish.
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Or change your culture. Or the world in other words.

Or come to Australia?

I hope you don't think I'm busting your balls even though I kind of am. I just don't get the often touted US opposition to healthcare, as if its the beginning of tyranny and forced morning aerobics. Its not, its something good.
 
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