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2017 Trump Presidency Thread

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Shm I don't know to add links but it easy to google and theres a few news articles about the money going to vets.
Muslim areas in birmingham are shitholes over run with rats.
That's my opinion formed over many years from living there.

Trump won't get shot in brum, only people gettin shot here are gang/drug related. dont think he will come though, if he's as racist as people say he won't like IT here.

Thanks for correcting my spelling
 
Good strategy by fox imo. Out of all the major networks, they are the most non partisan.

Are there two Fox's?

Rupert Murdoch being non-partisan is a very generous characterisation. At least in Australia, his news papers are utterly partisan. Heavily biased against the left, heavily biased for social and economic conservativism.

Let's not forget the utter lack of integrity of his organisation and their role in phone hacking before singing praises unless that was fake news too. :\
 
I like how toeing or promoting the party line is 'non partisan' whereas criticising the government is seen as 'partisan'. Isn't it sort of the opposite?
 
Are there two Fox's?

Rupert Murdoch being non-partisan is a very generous characterisation. At least in Australia, his news papers are utterly partisan. Heavily biased against the left, heavily biased for social and economic conservativism.

Let's not forget the utter lack of integrity of his organisation and their role in phone hacking before singing praises unless that was fake news too. :\
Fox has anchors and contributors who criticise Trump. CNN cuts the feed of people who say stuff they don't like. They have cut off people who said negative things about HRC, they recently cut off Bernie after he joked about them being fake news =D
 
trump's whining about how he's being mistreated by the media is both funny and sad considering his own casual relationship with the truth and his penchant for attacking people himself.

I've been getting the impression that some media is openly hostile towards him, and I believe there is legitimate criticism of how the media is treating Trump.

What takes the wind of out Trump's sails is (a) he engaged in idiotic attacks against Obama (remember the birthers?), so its Pot v. Kettle, and (b) his criticism of the media appears to be based upon them reporting unfavorable news and opinions. He's living in a pretty big glass house to criticize the media.
 
the press conference was a troubling display of immaturity. it was absolutely surreal and a new low.

the way he talked to jake turx and his ignorant comments to april ryan demeaned the office of the president.

alasdair
 
Socko what are your thoughts on La Pen? I feel like the media is trying to use fake polls there to shape public opinion. Hopefully she wins to help make France great again.
The polls are usually wrong. FN surprised everyone in 2015 when it won some regional elections. Le Pen is popular for the same reason Trump is, the working class are hit hard by the effects of globalism. People are frustrated and angry, and they don't always know who to blame. Thanks largely to globalisation, Joblessness in France as indicated by the workforce participation rate is about as bad as that of the US, and it hurts the working class. Just as in the US, only the rich benefit.

She is right to call for some form of economic protectionism, but she seems to take it too far. Just one example, withdrawing from the EU and abandoning the euro will destabilise the currency and hurt the investments old people depend on for their retirement.



As an expat/immigrant, I cannot support Le Pen. Her position against immigration is an extreme. Her victory would make it more difficult to stay here either legally or otherwise. While I agree that unregulated Economic Immigration will hurt any country where it happens, I think the one really great benefit of immigration is cultural exchange. Sharing science, arts, literature, and ideas is good for both countries.

I don't understand why any of the Democrats or the more liberal parties of Europe refuse to support a more economic protectionist stance. Re-write or abolish harmful trade pacts. Stop the abuse of H1B1 visas in STEM fields. Keep the jobs from being outsourced to Asia and Nigeria (coming soon). Use locally produced products and services whenever possible, etc. Well, I guess I do understand. The party bosses are getting rich off of globalism.
 
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CNN had their moments in journalism long ago and are no longer providing unbiased commentary. When it is pointed out to them, the good reporters have left out of frustration and the less ethical money seeking ones have stayed. Now they will milk the last nickle out of what once was a great and revolutionary reporting force.

Then came the Internet, for a brief moment in time truth was suddenly flowing. Once we found we could make money off controling or steering people on the Internet it became the same as news, poorly reported and questionable sources. This is why people are suddenly saying flat earth etc, there is no truth anymore we gave it up for money. All we need to do now is become more ridiculously sensational then everyone else and we can make money, regardless of value or truth, if we can sell it is all that currently matters.

I know it's a hard line I take on money but it has found too many uses that are hurting us badly and we need to rethink it. We should do it quickly because it is almost broken beyond repair and we won't be able to get along for long once it fails. The economy is a fictional measure of wealth that we obey out of our imagination. We can rework it from the ground up and we should. Getting truth back into media shouldn't be a privilege, we all want this why don't we just make it happen?
 
it might be the drugs im on, but I'm having a hard time with reality.

if the fake news says their fake, are they real news? are you sure I haven't been eating weed cookies for month and am hallucinating trump is in power?

who is the deep state fighting trump? Does he and his band of neo-tards have the ability to really operate against the will of the NSA/Military/CIA?

most frightening of all is the dream (nitemare) that Trump was allowed to be prez as a smoke screen for the dirt to happen while we are glued to Twitter Rants and Fake News.
 
After watching that media conference it was clear it was put on to appeal to those that voted for him but to anyone else it was just egotistical ranting of a mentally deranged despot. I would be embarrassed to be American and have that guy in charge. Its absolutely surreal.

He does not have the temperament to be president. He is just a spoilt bully with nfi what he is doing with a pack of nutcases giving him advice and representing him.

Yes Prime Minister anyone?
 
Yes Prime Minister anyone?
i think we're there...

i disagree with a lot of john mcain's policy positions but he fought for his country and he's dedicated his life to serving his country. you have to respect the man. unless you're donald trump, that is. his disrespectful comments about mccain during the campaign turned out to be just a glimpse of the crap that would come out of trump's mouth once elected...

mcain spoke at a conference in germany today. from the washington post:

During a speech at the Munich Security Conference in Germany, the Republican senator from Arizona delivered a pointed and striking point-by-point takedown of Trump's worldview and brand of nationalism. McCain didn't mention Trump's name once, but he didn't have to.

And even considering the two men's up-and-down history and the terrible things Trump has said about McCain, it was a striking display from a senior leader of a party when it comes to a president of the same party.

In his speech, McCain suggested the Western world is uniquely imperiled this year — even more so than when Barack Obama was president — and proceeded to question whether it will even survive.

“In recent years, this question would invite accusations of hyperbole and alarmism; not this year,” McCain said. “If ever there were a time to treat this question with a deadly seriousness, it is now.”

In case there was any doubt that this was about Trump. Here's what followed:

- "The founders of the Munich conference] would be alarmed by an increasing turn away from universal values and toward old ties of blood and race and sectarianism.”

- “They would be alarmed by the hardening resentment we see towards immigrants and refugees and minority groups -- especially Muslims.”

- “They would be alarmed by the growing inability -- and even unwillingness -- to separate truth from lies.”

- "They would be alarmed that more and more of our fellow citizens seem to be flirting with authoritarianism and romanticizing it as our moral equivalent."
that's a withering comment from a republican senior senator.

trump vowed, on the campaign to unite. he's divided the country and he can't even unite those who are supposed to be on his side...

alasdair
 
After watching that media conference it was clear it was put on to appeal to those that voted for him but to anyone else it was just egotistical ranting of a mentally deranged despot. I would be embarrassed to be American and have that guy in charge. Its absolutely surreal.

He does not have the temperament to be president. He is just a spoilt bully with nfi what he is doing with a pack of nutcases giving him advice and representing him.

Yes Prime Minister anyone?


people don't really care about temperment anymore. people don't care about someone not being PC or being racist. they care about jobs. Despite having no sane plan on how to bring them back, trump focused on this issue. HRC focused on people being racists or calling names at gays ppl. When you are making 15 k a year or not able to get any job whatsoever....you tend to stop caring about altruistic shit like people name calling or being racist.

its no surprise trump won and he deserved it over hillary (i was one of those that voted for hillary though based on ideology, probably because my parents are still alive and well off and I'm not so worried about being homeless if my career gets any shittier than it has over the past 7 years....but i can see why trump got elected.

he honestly is the better option in this election unfortunately....its such a sad state of affairs that this is what this country has come to. the corruption is going to sink the us and i hope i'm alive to see it happen when it does down the line...on a hospital bed doped out of my mind on opioids and ketamine
 
i think we're there...

i disagree with a lot of john mcain's policy positions but he fought for his country and he's dedicated his life to serving his country. you have to respect the man. unless you're donald trump, that is. his disrespectful comments about mccain during the campaign turned out to be just a glimpse of the crap that would come out of trump's mouth once elected...

mcain spoke at a conference in germany today. from the washington post:

that's a withering comment from a republican senior senator.

trump vowed, on the campaign to unite. he's divided the country and he can't even unite those who are supposed to be on his side...

alasdair


i couldn't believe it when i saw this the other day. but trump stole his mccain attack straight out of a chris rock stand up bit verbatim.
 
I just saw that Trump has just been awarded the trademark on his name in China. He has been in a legal battle for ten years to get it and within a month of becoming president he suddenly gets it...and its something he will directly profit from as he has not divested himself of his interests like all previous presidents. It makes him look even dodgy.
 
trump's business conflicts with the office are troubling and, while he seems to feel they can just be ignored or swept under the rug, they're not going to just go away.

his assertion that he can't have conflicts because he's president is inane. indeed, c.r.e.w. has filed a suit, asking federal court to rule that trump's business dealings violate the emoluments clause of the u.s. constitution. sadly, i think the suit will fail due to lack of standing but the very fact that they're having to ask a court to resolve the question is deeply troubling.

i know this never really helps progress a discussion but republicans would be crazy with rage if there was the vaguest suggestion that obama was in violation of the u.s. constitution.

it's so surreal.

alasdair
 
This is how the Chinese got the Clintons to sell them America's jobs in the 1990s.
I just saw that Trump has just been awarded the trademark on his name in China. He has been in a legal battle for ten years to get it and within a month of becoming president he suddenly gets it...and its something he will directly profit from as he has not divested himself of his interests like all previous presidents. It makes him look even dodgy.
 
The Clinton's got given trademarks? Source?

No, money. Since the early 1990s, their campaign was given untold millions in Chinese money by people high up in the Chinese government and by oligarchs.This is common knowledge. It has been written about extensively for decades. Admittedly, there is a big difference between being granted a trademark and receiving unethical campaign contributions, but in the end, it's about access to Chinese money.
 
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