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Opioids Kratom Mega Thread v. 5

Has anyone else ever taken SO much Kratom that they actually stopped being high all together??

This has happened to me a few times and happened again today.

I have a really high tolerance and yet it varies depending on what strain I used so dosing correctly can get difficult, plus, I sometimes will take too much because I need my Kratom to have worn off about 6 hours before I go to bed or I can't sleep, but will want to be high as long as possible, so this sometimes leads to me overlapping does in an attempt to not have to redose (just giving my reasoning as to why I sometimes take way more than I would have otherwise).


So today I ended up taking like 32 grams in 6 hours because my normal dose to get high is about 16 grams, but I didn't want to wait for the first dose to fully wear off or I'd end up dosing too late.

So at first I was somewhat high, and then when it all kicked in my high COMPLETELY went away!!!!

I mean I know Kratom can have a ceiling dose but to me that always meant I just wouldn't get higher past a certain point.

NOT that I'd actually become COMPLETELY sober!!

It was really fucking weird and really frustrating.

By what mechanism could one take so much that they dose themselves sober??

It makes no sense to me, but I can't deny that's what happened.

I just took so much it got to feel as if I hadn't taken any at all.

What a fucking waste of Kratom.
 
I take that much and more daily. You were most likely really high and just didn't notice it. I know that prolly doesn't make sense but that's the best I can explain it. Have you maybe forgotten what sober actually feels like? I know we all run fast and hard from sobriety but it doesn't hurt to skip the drugs for a few days at a time.
 
Mycophile regularly takes days off from kratom according to his posts.

Mycophile: I have zero explanation for why you felt sober after a second redose of 16g. Same thing happens to me sometimes. For example, yesterday I took 6g and enjoyed the effects. After about 2 hours I decided to take another 6 grams. When I kicked in, it felt like I went from being high from the first dose to being sober suddenly.

I can't explain other than to say I was probably still high but just wasn't able to distinguish the effects anymore. Why? No clue.
 
MDPV_Psychosis said:
Mycophile regularly takes days off from kratom according to his posts.

Mycophile: I have zero explanation for why you felt sober after a second redose of 16g. Same thing happens to me sometimes. For example, yesterday I took 6g and enjoyed the effects. After about 2 hours I decided to take another 6 grams. When I kicked in, it felt like I went from being high from the first dose to being sober suddenly.

I can't explain other than to say I was probably still high but just wasn't able to distinguish the effects anymore. Why? No clue.
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Yeah, gmlifer is not correct about me forgetting what high feels like cause I often go several days without dosing.

IMO if I don't FEEL high than I am NOT high...Period.

Kratom is a very unusual drug and I don't think it's impossible there could be some unusual mechanism where too much in your system somehow can equal no longer feeling high.

I mean in general my euphoria is not as strong as it had been before because my tolerance is getting so high, and that makes sense of course, but I generally think that that should just mean that dosing higher would equal just as good or strong a high, but that's not ALWAYS the case.

Right now I am on 15grams which is a normal dose for me, and while I AM high, I am nowhere near as euphoric as I often am.

But last weekend I was very high off of the same doses, so I don't believe that all that much could have changed in a week as far as my tolerance or any misunderstood mechanisms going on in my body.

Can anyone think of ANY other mind altering drug where taking TOO much can equal feeling sober again??

There MUST be at least one we can think of.

As we all know, Kratom has 29 alkaloids and some of them probably work at cross purposes.

Like there are certain alkaloids I've heard which can calm you down in a direct attempt to temper the stimulant alkaloids so that you are less likely to have a seizure or have your heart rate go to a dangerous level.

And I generally seek out a stimulant high, so who knows, maybe I took so much that my body reacted to the Kratom by making use of the sedative alkaloids to temper and cancel out the stimulant effects so that I wouldn't be at a dangerous level of stimulation?? (Not that I believe it can get dangerous...just trying to make reason of this??)

I have heard people mention that many of the alkaloids work in opposition to eachother, kind of like who the L-Theanine in tea works to calm one from the stimulant effects of the tea (As we know, Kratom is also related to both Green Tea and Coffee, but I am not sure if it actually has caffeine or L-Theanine in it, I don't think it does have caffeine).


But I am SURE there MUST be a substance out there that gets you high where if you take too much you no longer feel high.

Not sure what it could be, but I just have a strong feeling there's on out there, and if we can figure out what it is maybe we can figure out why this happens.

And even in those cases where I won't necessarily COMPLETELY stop getting high, there have been several times I've been high but those that another 2 grams might get me in a better place, and then after I took them it was TOO much and I started getting dysphoric and ruined my high...hence...probably a Kratom overdose.

I can only assume that that is basically what I did again...and I DID in fact start feeling dizzy and probably getting what most would call "the eye wobbles" before my high just ended.

The only difference is that in those other times where I just took 2 grams too many I started actually feeling BAD and overly sedated, but there were still SOME remnants of the good high left over.

In this case, first there was some strong dizziness, and then just NOTHING altogether, like I'd dosed myself COMPLETELY sober.

It was definitely a Kratom overdose for sure, but why it resulted in only dysphoria AT FIRST and then NOTHING for hours later...I can only guess.

One thing I DID notice though...is that once MOST of it had worn off except a few grams (I kept re-dosing so at one point late at night MOST had worn off except like 5 grams) THEN for about 45 mins I WAS just a little bit high before it wore off.

This would perhaps point towards this idea that too high a dosage can cancel itself out, but that a lower dosage would have felt nice, and that maybe my high returned for a bit because some of the alkaloids wore off.

I am going to believe that for WHATEVER reason this is what occurred.

I'm going to post this on Reddit and see what those guys have to say about it.

Kratom is certainly a mysterious substance, and with so many alkaloids that work together in odd ways, I think it is possible that you could dose yourself sober.

Maybe the moral of the story is: SOMETIMES less is more.

At WORST you may get dysphoria and no longer be high if you take too much, or at best maybe this could happen again: dosing yourself sober.

Better to take a lower amount than you think you need and see how you feel and then take more.

But if anyone here can think of another drug where you can "dose yourself sober" I'd be interested in hearing about it so maybe we can compare the mechanisms and figure out how or why this could happen.
 
Mycophile said:
Yeah, gmlifer is not correct about me forgetting what high feels like cause I often go several days without dosing.

IMO if I don't FEEL high than I am NOT high...Period.

Kratom is a very unusual drug and I don't think it's impossible there could be some unusual mechanism where too much in your system somehow can equal no longer feeling high.

I mean in general my euphoria is not as strong as it had been before because my tolerance is getting so high, and that makes sense of course, but I generally think that that should just mean that dosing higher would equal just as good or strong a high, but that's not ALWAYS the case.

Right now I am on 15grams which is a normal dose for me, and while I AM high, I am nowhere near as euphoric as I often am.

But last weekend I was very high off of the same doses, so I don't believe that all that much could have changed in a week as far as my tolerance or any misunderstood mechanisms going on in my body.

Can anyone think of ANY other mind altering drug where taking TOO much can equal feeling sober again??

There MUST be at least one we can think of.

As we all know, Kratom has 29 alkaloids and some of them probably work at cross purposes.

Like there are certain alkaloids I've heard which can calm you down in a direct attempt to temper the stimulant alkaloids so that you are less likely to have a seizure or have your heart rate go to a dangerous level.

And I generally seek out a stimulant high, so who knows, maybe I took so much that my body reacted to the Kratom by making use of the sedative alkaloids to temper and cancel out the stimulant effects so that I wouldn't be at a dangerous level of stimulation?? (Not that I believe it can get dangerous...just trying to make reason of this??)

I have heard people mention that many of the alkaloids work in opposition to eachother, kind of like who the L-Theanine in tea works to calm one from the stimulant effects of the tea (As we know, Kratom is also related to both Green Tea and Coffee, but I am not sure if it actually has caffeine or L-Theanine in it, I don't think it does have caffeine).


But I am SURE there MUST be a substance out there that gets you high where if you take too much you no longer feel high.

Not sure what it could be, but I just have a strong feeling there's on out there, and if we can figure out what it is maybe we can figure out why this happens.

And even in those cases where I won't necessarily COMPLETELY stop getting high, there have been several times I've been high but those that another 2 grams might get me in a better place, and then after I took them it was TOO much and I started getting dysphoric and ruined my high...hence...probably a Kratom overdose.

I can only assume that that is basically what I did again...and I DID in fact start feeling dizzy and probably getting what most would call "the eye wobbles" before my high just ended.

The only difference is that in those other times where I just took 2 grams too many I started actually feeling BAD and overly sedated, but there were still SOME remnants of the good high left over.

In this case, first there was some strong dizziness, and then just NOTHING altogether, like I'd dosed myself COMPLETELY sober.

It was definitely a Kratom overdose for sure, but why it resulted in only dysphoria AT FIRST and then NOTHING for hours later...I can only guess.

One thing I DID notice though...is that once MOST of it had worn off except a few grams (I kept re-dosing so at one point late at night MOST had worn off except like 5 grams) THEN for about 45 mins I WAS just a little bit high before it wore off.

This would perhaps point towards this idea that too high a dosage can cancel itself out, but that a lower dosage would have felt nice, and that maybe my high returned for a bit because some of the alkaloids wore off.

I am going to believe that for WHATEVER reason this is what occurred.

I'm going to post this on Reddit and see what those guys have to say about it.

Kratom is certainly a mysterious substance, and with so many alkaloids that work together in odd ways, I think it is possible that you could dose yourself sober.

Maybe the moral of the story is: SOMETIMES less is more.

At WORST you may get dysphoria and no longer be high if you take too much, or at best maybe this could happen again: dosing yourself sober.

Better to take a lower amount than you think you need and see how you feel and then take more.

But if anyone here can think of another drug where you can "dose yourself sober" I'd be interested in hearing about it so maybe we can compare the mechanisms and figure out how or why this could happen.
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you're suspicions are probably along the right track as to why a ceiling effect exists or why u get this sobering up effect from higher doses.

kratom has a lot of different pharmacological targets in the brain (don't know them off the top of my head) and also a different mechanism of action (doesn't bind directly to opioid recepter but to a protein that is coupled to the opioid receptor).

There are so many possibilities as far as certain pharmacological activities of K only being active at higher doses or canceling others out or changing their character. Its definitely possible. never experienced it myself....if i took too much i either got super high or go nauseous.

can't think of any other drug that does this.




just to give un update on my mini withdrawal from K.

I took it everydays for two weeks at 5-10 g per day. Then I withdrew and felt jittery and unable to sleep for a few days and doing work was difficult but after about the 4th day I felt totally normall again. So then at one week i decided to do K again. took a dose one night then another dose the next morning. then i took about the next 36 hours off and didn't feel a W/D coming . now i just had another small dose. hope i don't get addicted again. its a fine line I'm walking.

wish i had the dosing disciopline that myco does. I try to get my S/O to hide and only give me krat once a week....but shes to weak to argue with me and just lets me have some anytime i ask

btw myco, do you take amphetaminees? ;-) just joking but I have seen meth users on here write shorter and less descriptive posts than u usually do. its a good thing, you're obviously passionate about drugs and using them responsibly
 
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Yea mycophile does tend to write long posts but he doesn't ramble on like a tweaker IMO. If I had to guess, I think his posts come across as very serious but from a place of anxiety and maybe of OCD. I'm not trying to be mean, mycophile, I respect and care about you :) . I've just noticed that Mycophile has a very unique writing style. I can usually recognize his posts from his writing style without having to look at the name.

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I've been taking kratom regularly lately whereas I only used to use it sporadically. I've noticed a bit of a reverse tolerance... I seem to be enjoying smaller doses. Maybe I've just become more used to the effects and now know what to look for, I don't know. I'm really falling in love with the stuff (more than I already was before).

My only complaint is that I consistently get hungry when the high kicks in. Food even tastes better, almost like on marijuana. Eating feels good but there is no satisfaction when I do eat... I can eat a ton and still feel very hungry. I'm gonna have to be careful not to eat too much.. I really don't want to put on any weight.

Also, I believe there is another petition going around. I don't remember where I saw it or the exact details but if memory serves me correctly it was a petition intended to be given to the Trump administration near the end of January. A bunch of signatures may not make much of a difference but it can't hurt. I'm gonna look it into it today.

I've been doing what I can for kratom, and will continue doing so, and I hope many of you do as well. Long live kratom (hopefully).
 
MDPV_Psychosis said:
Yea mycophile does tend to write long posts but he doesn't ramble on like a tweaker IMO. If I had to guess, I think his posts come across as very serious but from a place of anxiety and maybe of OCD. I'm not trying to be mean, mycophile, I respect and care about you :) . I've just noticed that Mycophile has a very unique writing style. I can usually recognize his posts from his writing style without having to look at the name.

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I've been taking kratom regularly lately whereas I only used to use it sporadically. I've noticed a bit of a reverse tolerance... I seem to be enjoying smaller doses. Maybe I've just become more used to the effects and now know what to look for, I don't know. I'm really falling in love with the stuff (more than I already was before).

My only complaint is that I consistently get hungry when the high kicks in. Food even tastes better, almost like on marijuana. Eating feels good but there is no satisfaction when I do eat... I can eat a ton and still feel very hungry. I'm gonna have to be careful not to eat too much.. I really don't want to put on any weight.

Also, I believe there is another petition going around. I don't remember where I saw it or the exact details but if memory serves me correctly it was a petition intended to be given to the Trump administration near the end of January. A bunch of signatures may not make much of a difference but it can't hurt. I'm gonna look it into it today.

I've been doing what I can for kratom, and will continue doing so, and I hope many of you do as well. Long live kratom (hopefully).
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When I first started taking kratom, I had the exact same issue with eating food. That effect seems to have worn off though. I think most people have the oppossite issue with kratom(eating too little), so I'm glad I'm not the only one!

As for the reverse tolerance, I think it's partly due to developing a dependence. For example, caffeine does very little to improve cognitive performance in non-tolerant individuals, but it does improve performance in tolerant individuals. Basically, caffeine doesn't do a whole lot, but if you're dependent on it, taking it will bring you out of a WD state so that your cognitive performance improveves. Something similar might be happening with kratom, but I could be wrong.

My friends who don't have any mental or physical health issues don't really feel kratom, and they need a lot to notice anything. A couple of my friends who had depression or pain issues loved it at pretty low doses. I think people who have issues that kratom can treat will naturally be more sensitive to it, and if you're getting to the point of physical dependence, you might be naturally sensitizing yourself to it's effects.

Just some thoughts
 
Is that so? I thought caffeine did improve cognitive performance by promoting wakefulness. In my experience once I get tolerant to caffeine, it stops making me feel awake.
 
Caffeine can help with sleep deprivation. If you're a healthy adult with healthy sleep habits, it won't do much.
 
I'm still hung up on the possibility of 20% Kratom as opposed to the 1.75% (at the most) of today's K. 5gr of 20% I think would drop the highest tolerance K-Head like a bullet to the brain. That cat would be snoring for days!
 
thinking of trying kramtom for pain

I have recently started to look into kramtom for pain. However, saying i am confused would be the understatement of the century. I have read that red bali is the most opiod like. I have also read that the DEA report warns that commerically available kramtom can be laced with RCs. How does one ensure that one's source is not contaminated? Or for that matter that the label on the bag is the right one ( as far as type)? Thanks
 
bluemonkey said:
I have recently started to look into kramtom for pain. However, saying i am confused would be the understatement of the century. I have read that red bali is the most opiod like. I have also read that the DEA report warns that commerically available kramtom can be laced with RCs. How does one ensure that one's source is not contaminated? Or for that matter that the label on the bag is the right one ( as far as type)? Thanks
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Merged with the megathread
 
bluemonkey said:
I have recently started to look into kramtom for pain. However, saying i am confused would be the understatement of the century. I have read that red bali is the most opiod like. I have also read that the DEA report warns that commerically available kramtom can be laced with RCs. How does one ensure that one's source is not contaminated? Or for that matter that the label on the bag is the right one ( as far as type)? Thanks
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Do your research and find a trusted source
 
Does anyone know how much of the loss of potency of kratom when making tea is due to heat-destruction of mitragynines VS not extracting 100% of the material?

its a pretty drastic loss in potency at least the way i make tea (heating powder in water/lemon for about ten minutes) then filtering and rinsing the material multiple times with water filtrates.


If its due to heat-destruction of mitragyinine, has anyone tried any no-heat methods....like just blending in lemon water or something then filtering?

any other tips on increasing the "yield" of your tea?

i really prefer the high that tea gives, don't know why. I actually like the taste too.
 
Slow_Mobius said:
When I first started taking kratom, I had the exact same issue with eating food. That effect seems to have worn off though. I think most people have the oppossite issue with kratom(eating too little), so I'm glad I'm not the only one!

As for the reverse tolerance, I think it's partly due to developing a dependence. For example, caffeine does very little to improve cognitive performance in non-tolerant individuals, but it does improve performance in tolerant individuals. Basically, caffeine doesn't do a whole lot, but if you're dependent on it, taking it will bring you out of a WD state so that your cognitive performance improveves. Something similar might be happening with kratom, but I could be wrong.

My friends who don't have any mental or physical health issues don't really feel kratom, and they need a lot to notice anything. A couple of my friends who had depression or pain issues loved it at pretty low doses. I think people who have issues that kratom can treat will naturally be more sensitive to it, and if you're getting to the point of physical dependence, you might be naturally sensitizing yourself to it's effects.

Just some thoughts
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Actually kratom has an opiate antagonist within that kind of regulates tolerance. I literally can use a 5g dose for months at a time with very similar effects, maybe the good parts begin to fade a bit but a higher dose usually actually just feels worse for me. I just begin to feel weird, not a stronger opiate high but rather just bad nausea and like a pressure headache and just pretty crappy. Which is what I love about kratom, it kind of regulates itself from being too abusable or building some rediculous tolerance like with real opiates where you have to constantly up your dose for the same effect.
 
bluemonkey said:
How does one find a trusted source? reviews can be bought or faked. the net is full of kramtom sellers all claiming to be trused sources. I don't know what to look for.
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This is getting borderline sourcing, which is against the rules
 
I have the same effect with tolerance. I can use around 10g a day with little to no tolerance issues for pain management. I still take a short break or taper down every couple months for good measure anyways.

I'm skeptical of the opioid antagonists being responsible for the ceiling effect. They would still be present in the same ratio regardless of how much is taken. I think the kappa opioid agonist activity of mytragynine is probably playing a bigger role in why kratom isnt as euphoric and why higher doses are sometimes less pleasant. Also, there are tons of alkaloids that haven't been extensively characterized. The best we can really do is speculate.
 
Slow_Mobius said:
I would go to another forum such as <snip> if you're going to ask these questions. We don't allow any sourcing here, like kleinerkiffer said
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I was more wondering if there are certain legit certifications etc i should look for. sorry if i crossed a line.
 
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