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Regional Pills/MD(M)A Discussion V. I don't understand this chemical waffle

Shambles said:
I do believe that PM(M)A is actually even more deadly when combined with MDMA even in relatively small amounts. It could be that some of the murderous scum who press shonky pills are thinking similarly to yourself which may go some way to explaining why there have been a number of pills tested to show very small amounts of PM(M)A present in otherwise good quality MDMA pills. I'd like to think that anybody with the wherewithal to be producing eckies would also know how dangerous it is to produce mixed pills but I suspect it mainly comes down to not giving enough of a shit about the safety of the punters to care just as long as their tabs will pass basic reagent tests :\
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Really? I thought the main dangers were from PMMA alone pills since there isnt the come-up within the same time frame as normal MDMA pills leading to people popping 2 and exposing themselves to the dangerous cardivascular effects of the PMMA. While PMMA is obviously dangerous I thought it was a result of the dose response curve and the fact that it doesnt produce the same psychoactive effects as MDMA resulting in people thinking it isnt working and unknowingly exceeding the fatal dose. I would have thought a small amount of PMMA in an MDMA pill while extremely unethical and dangerous wasn't AS dangerous as a PMMA only pill since there wouldn't be the need to redose and pass the lethal threshold since the MDMA present would provide the saught after psychoactive effects.....

Could be wrong though....
 
englandgz74 said:
Really? I thought the main dangers were from PMMA alone pills since there isnt the come-up within the same time frame as normal MDMA pills leading to people popping 2 and exposing themselves to the dangerous cardivascular effects of the PMMA. While PMMA is obviously dangerous I thought it was a result of the dose response curve and the fact that it doesnt produce the same psychoactive effects as MDMA resulting in people thinking it isnt working and unknowingly exceeding the fatal dose. I would have thought a small amount of PMMA in an MDMA pill while extremely unethical and dangerous wasn't AS dangerous as a PMMA only pill since there wouldn't be the need to redose and pass the lethal threshold since the MDMA present would provide the saught after psychoactive effects.....

Could be wrong though....
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No one really knows.

From WHO

"There have been no human clinical trials of PMMA. As stated elsewhere, a study by Brunt et al. of “Ecstasy” users who had used PMMA and MDMA in combination described adverse effects such as hyperthermic seizure and palpitations (in particular) along with agitation, nausea and in some cases, hallucinations.37 Probability calculations indicated a very high likelihood of adverse effects when the two drugs were taken in combination, more than compared to MDMA alone and other MDMA drug combinations"

PMA is stronger and higher toxicity.

Some speculation that PMA combined with MDMA can dramatically increase risk of seratonin syndrome. Something to do with it being acting as an MAOI.

Also it's been speculated that small amounts of PMMA can inadvertently be produced as a by product / contaminant of MDMA synthesis. There was a big debate over test results on the mortal kombats a couple of years ago where some test centre found traces, very low but supposedly found.

But yeh general issue is always time it takes to alert 1hr 30 to + 2 hrs. you feel nothing so you pop another pill. It amazes me the amount of people posting "nothing happened so I did another" it's golden rule numero uno. If it does nt show don't give it another go.
 
Shambles said:
I do believe that PM(M)A is actually even more deadly when combined with MDMA even in relatively small amounts. It could be that some of the murderous scum who press shonky pills are thinking similarly to yourself which may go some way to explaining why there have been a number of pills tested to show very small amounts of PM(M)A present in otherwise good quality MDMA pills. I'd like to think that anybody with the wherewithal to be producing eckies would also know how dangerous it is to produce mixed pills but I suspect it mainly comes down to not giving enough of a shit about the safety of the punters to care just as long as their tabs will pass basic reagent tests :\
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Yeah and you would be right Shambles. The batch of PMMA they do the test run will be way smaller than the MDMA one they run, and that's exactly what happens slot of them slip it in with MDMA it can often only be a few mgs in the pill. Thing is people take a few and 100mg of it would be fatal.

It's quite sickening they don't throw it out. Personally I actually prefer to buy MDMA or pills I know are made by UK crews, it's generally been better in my opinion. And also the UK names on the Dark Markets tend to hang around for a lot longer, Dutch sellers scam and change names a lot. Sometimes Dutch sellers even sending MDMA still soaking in solvents. But pressing the test batches of PMMA is highly unethical to say the least. Literally don't care about killing a few customers.
 
So anyone actually taken anything decent recently ?

I see someone said the Legos went purple then black, but my 'source' usually just has the usual Dutch stuff so not confident

Anyone tried Mini coopers ?
 
Does anyone know are the Orange Tesla's still being sold good to go? Read in the feedback they turn the marquis a deep purple colour. Being tauted as 275mg on the naughty net. The earlier ones did have good feedback and it looks like alot still around?

And Treacle did you test the Purple Tesla's, tauted as 200mg? How are they.

And the lego blocks? I've had MDMA from that supply line I'm sure was good before. Crystal is looking silly cheap quite a few sellers priced at £10-12 a gram even!

Havent really heard anything about the coopers other than its different mdma to the predecessors. I'm really tempted to get some of those Orange Tesla's :D
 
englandgz74 said:
275mg? Jeez it seems to be like a pissing contest to see how much MDMA they can cram into a pill nowadays. That's like almost 3 times the amount as was in many 90s pills.
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3 x the amount but a 10th of the enjoyment of 90's pills
 
englandgz74 said:
275mg? Jeez it seems to be like a pissing contest to see how much MDMA they can cram into a pill nowadays. That's like almost 3 times the amount as was in many 90s pills.
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The orange tesla have had rave reviews and turn the marquis purple guys.

No offence G, but you said you've taken pills once in your entire life, and your still here complaining about pills not being as good as the 90's. When you said you didn't enjoy them then. And these pills are made with the old precursor it seems. So I don't really see what your saying is very valid.

You'll probably find they aren't 275mg, but if they test purple the MDMA should at least be decent quality as it's made from PMK oil or safrole.

Instead of the constant round and round pills aren't as good lets hear from some people who are actually still park taking their opinions on what is actually going round that does have the magic? I think we've kind of reached the limit on how far the whole "pills aren't as good as pre drought" convo can go and we have outline what we are looking for in terms of signs of better stuff.

The Orange tesla have had rave reviews throughout this thread similar to Dutch Lions, turn the marquis purple - same as pre drought pills. Yet it's got to the stage we have a group of people writing off every pill before any of them's ever researched it or taken one. It's not really a productive to the ongoing debate.
 
Sid said:
.No offence G, but you said you've taken pills once in your entire life, and your still here complaining about pills not being as good as the 90's. When you said you didn't enjoy them then. And these pills are made with the old precursor it seems. So I don't really see what your saying is very valid
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How on earth do you come to that conclusion?You don't have to be stuffing pills down you neck on a daily basis to be aware that 275mg is a collosal amount of MDMA whether the figure is accurate or not. Also that this figure is several times higher than pills of 20 years ago. Far from not being valid they are perfectly valid statements.

Assuming that the only person qualified to make a blatantly obvious statement about a drug is a person who has taken a shit load of it is somewhat nieve.

Would you assume that your DSP doctor isnt qualified to talk about heroin based on the fact that he's never had it before?

I've been studying medicine, pharmacology and emergency medicine almost non stop for the best part of 20 years so feel more than qualified to make a statment on drugs I've never taken (or only taken once). Its like saying the only person who can make a statement about cocaine is someone who has been snorting it for 30 years despite the fact that he may not know his septum from his arsehole.

Even if I wasn't qualified to mention it the statements validity is still perfectly sound. No-one is disputing the difference in precursors used today or how this impacts the amount of MDMA in pills, but ever increasing doses to compensate for a poorer synthesis IS akin to a pissing contest from a marketing standpoint and 275mg IS several times the amount as was in them years ago.....

No-one is "writing them off" I'm not sure why this statement upsets you so much....
 
englandgz74 said:
How on earth do you come to that conclusion?You don't have to be stuffing pills down you neck on a daily basis to be aware that 275mg is a collosal amount of MDMA whether the figure is accurate or not. Also that this figure is several times higher than pills of 20 years ago. Far from not being valid they are perfectly valid statements.

Assuming that the only person qualified to make a blatantly obvious statement about a drug is a person who has taken a shit load of it is somewhat nieve.

Would you assume that your DSP doctor isnt qualified to talk about heroin based on the fact that he's never had it before?

I've been studying medicine, pharmacology and emergency medicine almost non stop for the best part of 20 years so feel more than qualified to make a statment on drugs I've never taken (or only taken once). Its like saying the only person who can make a statement about cocaine is someone who has been snorting it for 30 years despite the fact that he may not know his septum from his arsehole.

Even if I wasn't qualified to mention it the statements validity is still perfectly sound. No-one is disputing the difference in precursors used today or how this impacts the amount of MDMA in pills, but ever increasing doses to compensate for a poorer synthesis IS akin to a pissing contest from a marketing standpoint and 275mg IS several times the amount as was in them years ago.....

No-one is "writing them off" I'm not sure why this statement upsets you so much....
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Maybe I'm missing your point, but no one is taking pills that strong whole. Typically splitting into halfs or qtr/thirds. Thus same result as taking 80mg dids 25 years ago.

Didn't stop people taking 4-5 over the space of as many hours which IS actually bad for neurotoxicity
 
englandgz74 said:
How on earth do you come to that conclusion?You don't have to be stuffing pills down you neck on a daily basis to be aware that 275mg is a collosal amount of MDMA whether the figure is accurate or not. Also that this figure is several times higher than pills of 20 years ago. Far from not being valid they are perfectly valid statements.

Assuming that the only person qualified to make a blatantly obvious statement about a drug is a person who has taken a shit load of it is somewhat nieve.

Would you assume that your DSP doctor isnt qualified to talk about heroin based on the fact that he's never had it before?

I've been studying medicine, pharmacology and emergency medicine almost non stop for the best part of 20 years so feel more than qualified to make a statment on drugs I've never taken (or only taken once). Its like saying the only person who can make a statement about cocaine is someone who has been snorting it for 30 years despite the fact that he may not know his septum from his arsehole.

Even if I wasn't qualified to mention it the statements validity is still perfectly sound. No-one is disputing the difference in precursors used today or how this impacts the amount of MDMA in pills, but ever increasing doses to compensate for a poorer synthesis IS akin to a pissing contest from a marketing standpoint and 275mg IS several times the amount as was in them years ago.....

No-one is "writing them off" I'm not sure why this statement upsets you so much....
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Yes but why when you havent taken pills but once. Dont like the buzz. Would you continually feel the need to have an opinion here in this thread which everytime I read it is quick to jump to support the inner clique of "MDMA is all shite now"

The people who actually do know alot about MDMA in this thread. Biscuit, Brenner, Boa, Treacle, SHM, Grassman and others from IRL experience and online research know that is not case. I wasn't having a go, but you were quick to say "they must be shite because they have 275mg in them", which is not the case when several Bluelighters who do use pills frequently have already said otherwise.

Please try not to get upset. I'm merely trying to make you question things for yourself rather than just spouting this theory that all dutch pills are shite. It doesnt matter where pills are made. What matters is who made them and with which precursor. A few people are saying the Tesla's and Orange Lions were better than the manc pills even. I was only even posting to find out what those in the know thought was the best bet for actually being magical. Not renter the same old debate.

Peace G, hope you see where I'm coming from bud. The dose doesnt seem to matter, Dutch Lions were old synth MDMA and contained above 200mg too. Thats just the way the Dutch press them now, doesnt mean the MDMA inside isnt good stuff just because they put such a high dose inside. Most of these pills come with breaklines specifically for that reason.
 
me said:
275mg? Jeez it seems to be like a pissing contest to see how much MDMA they can cram into a pill nowadays. That's like almost 3 times the amount as was in many 90s pills.
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Where in the above post does it say........

Sid said:
you were quick to say "they must be shite because they have 275mg in them"
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And........

Sid said:
Would you continually feel the need to have an opinion here in this thread which everytime I read it is quick to jump to support the inner clique of "MDMA is all shite now"
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When have i ever said "MDMA is all shite now"??

I'm not looking to get into an argument with you [MENTION=337254]Sid[/MENTION] you know I'm friends with you but please stop putting in quotation marks things I've never said.
 
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Really curious about the new Orange teslas with CP on the back as well as the new red supremes 2.0. They just came out recently. If anyone has any experience please report!
 
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Don't think your allowed to name manufacturers mate. Would probably be seen as sourcing...(don't get [MENTION=86439]Shambles[/MENTION] started on saucing....he doesn't even know the difference between Brown and HP:))
 
englandgz74 said:
Don't think your allowed to name manufacturers mate. Would probably be seen as sourcing...(don't get [MENTION=86439]Shambles[/MENTION] started on saucing....he doesn't even know the difference between Brown and HP:))
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I'm a Tommy man me self.

Sourcing would be asking someone for a contact to purchase.

Pressed pills are different to a bag of powder. Historically a pressed pill has been a way of identifying the good the bad and the ugly. Used by both user and presser to differentiate. You can't search for checkpoint and score.

Times have changed accessibility to the market and the need to stay ahead of those that look to emulate your product a must.

Anecdotal [MENTION=139374]Sprout[/MENTION], because he taught me that one too. doves in the 90s were supposedly made by Mr ecstacy from Holland who used it as a way to gain market share. Mitsubishi ditto. All eventually a ruined press from copies.

Now it's just the same except with the Internet and the fact dye can be copied very quickly the presser has to keep on moving to stay ahead. CP worked for a while on snapchats. Checkpoint simply carries it on to differentiate new Tesla from possible copy. Plus the colour. In a funny sort of way it is HR.

You won't get supply by saying the presser so it ain't sourcing IMHO. Pressers have become almost celebrity in certain circles and they use it to market a "clean" product. The yanks especially love a bit of marketing. Which effectively is good HR, except in a month or so someone will be pressing the same with anything they can get their hands on. Then he will change and alert his network to the new one. He or maybe she has become a dab hand at marketing. Shame the MD has been so shit but who knows orange sound promising.
 
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I would agree that using the name of a particular pressing group doesn't count as sourcing. To go back to the HP source analogy, using the brandname is not saucing but discussing which shops sell HP sauce would be. Same deal with pills and powders. Discussion of the substance is fine, discussion of any particular place that sells the substance is verboten.
 
Cough......(ASDA)........cough......:)

Seriously though I thought it would be along the lines of naming the country in the meph thread.....it's not discussing the source directly but the source can be implied from that. ..

I thought it might be the same with discussing the presser in that the source can be deduced from that. ......or maybe not. ..
 
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