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Regional Pills/MD(M)A Discussion V. I don't understand this chemical waffle

They probably dont press the PMMA in the same batch they're pressing as their 200mg latest belters. It will go in either the last batch when they already have a good rep or another press.
 
Sid said:
They probably dont press the PMMA in the same batch they're pressing as their 200mg latest belters. It will go in either the last batch when they already have a good rep or another press.
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Yeah that's what I mean .....save them to sell once all the rest of the press is gone cos if they sold them before that no-one would buy the rest of the press. I suppose maybe distributing the PMMA in very small doses amongst the 200mg MDMA in the "good" pills would be less deadly than a pill containing only PMMA. Again though once someone had a pill from the batch tested and it came back with ANY amount of PMMA present then that would put a stop to sales. IDK

On a slightly different note there's a funny story in the new Howard Marks book Mr Smiley where they are pressing some high purity MDMA into pills using a pill press that non of them have any experience with. Anyway the only face masks they can get are those paper spray painters masks and they and up breathing in loads of the very fine raw MDMA powder and are so off their tits that they can no longer work the machine.....:)
 
Sid said:
I wont name him but he told me what happens is they do a test run, which yields PMMA, as its similar process to MDMA and that way they know the MDMA synth will work. Instead of throwing the test run in the bin, some of them press it.
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I can see how that would work, as it would require a similar series of reactions. I could almost accept it being due to improperly cleaning their equipment -- if they promised to be more careful next time.

But if they're deliberately selling the crap, that's about as low as it gets.
 
BecomingJulie said:
I can see how that would work, as it would require a similar series of reactions. I could almost accept it being due to improperly cleaning their equipment -- if they promised to be more careful next time.

But if they're deliberately selling the crap, that's about as low as it gets.
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The hardened criminals in NL afiliated with producers and particularly the coke and heroin trade are among the most brutal in Europe apparently. Which makes sense as they probably are the biggest drugs gangs, all the drugs come from, or go through their country. It goes with the territory.

There is no excuse for pressing PMMA pills though. Knowing what damage it causes. Especially for the small amount of extra money they are making on the test batch which will be small anyway, compared to the batches of MDMA, which already net them a fortune
 
Englandgz have you been on benzos these past few days? he's on about the book is he not? :S
 
englandgz74 said:
Have you tried googling test kits just to be sure? Or maybe ask at a local headshop if you have one near you?
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yeah mate, just this minute had a reply on facebook from a headshop in mansfield, and they stock them at 9 quid per test, that'll do i suppose, better than dying etc ..
 
Great mate.

I posted that were only available online cos I've only ever heard of people getting them there..then I thought "what about headshots?"..

Only forseeable problem would be if they were out of dare or something but I imagine it would be written on the bottle. I've never actually seem one personally.

Yeah defo better than dying lol!!

Stay safe mate..
 
If you were to get friendly with a chemistry teacher or even a lab technician at a local secondary school or college (reminisces wistfully about her own school's lab techs, who used to wear strappy sandals, eat their sandwiches in the prep rooms and worked with hot glass and no safety goggles ..... they were hardcore .....), they would have access to the necessary ingredients to prepare Marquis reagent. (But obviously don't; because if The Authorities or The Press found out about it, it most probably would get them into big trouble and cost them their job.)
 
PartTimeRaver said:
yeah mate, just this minute had a reply on facebook from a headshop in mansfield, and they stock them at 9 quid per test, that'll do i suppose, better than dying etc ..
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Why don't you just buy one online?! Test kits are and have always been legal to buy sell and own in the UK.

There are 2 UK to UK sellers who make their own versions.

Are you paranoid? LE would not stand a chance of prosecution, even if they get a warrant to raid a LEGAL business to get your address details. Seems strange to spend £9 on a one off test when in 1 - 2 working days you can have a test kit containing 5 different reagents and many many months of testing for £20.

It amazes me that headshops don't sell them more reasonably.
 
Itsgoneundertheboa said:
Why don't you just buy one online?! Test kits are and have always been legal to buy sell and own in the UK.

There are 2 UK to UK sellers who make their own versions.

Are you paranoid? LE would not stand a chance of prosecution, even if they get a warrant to raid a LEGAL business to get your address details. Seems strange to spend £9 on a one off test when in 1 - 2 working days you can have a test kit containing 5 different reagents and many many months of testing for £20.

It amazes me that headshops don't sell them more reasonably.
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no its not paranoia mate, basically if my wife found out what i was getting upto again then id probably be divorced and homeless lol, i wont bore ya too much but she helped me through a lot of shit from abusing various drugs when we 1st got together, but im a different person now and know my limits, only do it a couple times of year or so. cant blame her though really
 
What kind of excuse is that? Your already buying the drugs behind her back. It's not hard to get a test kit and stash it at a mates or in your wash bag for the gym.

It's funny when you read some peoples MDMA is all the same theory on here, you it's transparently obvious they've never even so much as tested a pill or their MDMA in their life. Yet they know everything about it through the words of others and no real research of their own. I'm not saying you btw man it's just an observation that it appears very few here testing for themselves. I've been using test kits for about 8 years now and I can almost tell from the colour of the marquis reaction if I think it has a chance of being any good, the deep purple ones tend to be the more energetic longer lasting stuff.
 
Sid said:
What kind of excuse is that? Your already buying the drugs behind her back. It's not hard to get a test kit and stash it at a mates or in your wash bag for the gym.
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its not an excuse ,she'd see it on our joint account bank statement. its not hiding the test kit thats the problem. yeah i could use a mates card or summat but i personally dont like to ask for favours like that, ill just buy one from the headshop. and you're right i have never tested my pills or md, but all these recent deaths or making me think i should
 
Exactly. Fair play for not wanting the wife to find out, I understand. But there are many ways to get around this small issue you have and it would seem to me your personally safety is surely worth doing that.

I wasn't speaking about you with the testing man I meant in general. It seems like far less people here testing these days which is a shame. I know ecstasy data publish some results but it seems to me the majority just go with what it says on the dealers advertisement and don't question much for themselves. I would have thought more people would have caught onto the marquis theory by now, but the reason not many have caught on is obviously nobody's testing.
 
i know mate, i always knew about test kits and that, but stupidly never entertained the idea. older n wiser now though. if the missus wasnt so anti drugs and believed everything in the media then i wouldnt have to be so sneaky haha
 
englandgz74 said:
I suppose maybe distributing the PMMA in very small doses amongst the 200mg MDMA in the "good" pills would be less deadly than a pill containing only PMMA.
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I do believe that PM(M)A is actually even more deadly when combined with MDMA even in relatively small amounts. It could be that some of the murderous scum who press shonky pills are thinking similarly to yourself which may go some way to explaining why there have been a number of pills tested to show very small amounts of PM(M)A present in otherwise good quality MDMA pills. I'd like to think that anybody with the wherewithal to be producing eckies would also know how dangerous it is to produce mixed pills but I suspect it mainly comes down to not giving enough of a shit about the safety of the punters to care just as long as their tabs will pass basic reagent tests :\
 
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