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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MiPT Thread - 2nd MiPteration

Kl519 said:
Ah, I see. Did you end up taking the 5 mapb while on that medication, and if so, was everything okay?

Not that it'd apply to 4-ho-mipt, but yeah, your idea is fine. :)
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yeah, took a week off, which supposed to be enough to fully clear system, and I was one of the ones who got the worst side effects from my first time doing 5-mapb. had it abou 8-9 days and really dont know what caused it, bc it tested out good on all the regeant tests (testkits fro dancesafe), weighted 110 mgs out on two scales. ive done ecstacy pills/mdma around 30 nighs in my lifetime and never had those sides for a week, even the comedown from ecstacy pills seemed minor compared to this, this was full blown, super emotional, id cry over the littest things, brain zaps when sleeping, feeling sick, fainty, low blood sugar i actually passed out while cooking in my kitchen and hit my head on the floor hard. I told my mom what ive did (5-map) actually lied o her first time =-(, but i told her if i died i was in a good place. on a scale of 1-10 i thought i was about a 7.5 close to dieing. Ended up throwing three grams of 5-mapb out.

since then I tried another tested batch and started low at 50 mgs..then next time 70, hen 90, then 100, so that batch seemed fine. That is why with new stuff testing is a must , along with allergy test and the first time always start on the lower end, to make sure its no containmented or get bad sides


the sub-4 trypatmine experience, miprocin, was so much different than empthogeon experience. to me it was quite intense, at one pointt i was not making any sense logically to my girlfriend or myself and she pointed this out and helped me relize. Later on I did. Its alwas good to use these as positive tool, to enhance your life, whether it be for couples therapy, healing trama, or helping yourself out in any way
 
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Innerpeace-I see. Idk, I'm not expert or a doctor, so just use your best judgment.

Yeah, 5 mapb is strong. I can only relate when I got that vaso. Man, that was bad. Haha, learned my lesson after that. But are you good with your mom now? I hope so.

Miprocin is awesome. Ahh, I miss those trips. It does get hectic, but it's like the welcome kind (eg. bring it on, lol).

Yeah, self help is important to take away from psychedelic use, well whenever it is possible. It's like an opportunity that is great to take advantage of because of the unique experience.

You're on the right path of thinking, so there's not much else I can say. :)
 
Innerpeace said:
since then I tried another tested batch and started low at 50 mgs..then next time 70, hen 90, then 100, so that batch seemed fine. That is why with new stuff testing is a must , along with allergy test and the first time always start on the lower end, to make sure its no containmented or get bad sides
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Those were doses of another drug mentioned there?
 
Kl519 said:
Innerpeace-I see. Idk, I'm not expert or a doctor, so just use your best judgment.

Yeah, 5 mapb is strong. I can only relate when I got that vaso. Man, that was bad. Haha, learned my lesson after that. But are you good with your mom now? I hope so.

Miprocin is awesome. Ahh, I miss those trips. It does get hectic, but it's like the welcome kind (eg. bring it on, lol).

Yeah, self help is important to take away from psychedelic use, well whenever it is possible. It's like an opportunity that is great to take advantage of because of the unique experience.

You're on the right path of thinking, so there's not much else I can say. :)
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things are good with mom

TheBlackPirate said:
Those were doses of another drug mentioned there?
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yup those were doses done. One time combined 5-mapb at 100 with 11 mgs 4-ho-mipt, and psychedelia was there. Didnt mean to derail the thread.
 
Finally getting to try 4-HO-MiPT soon after having told myself I would try it for the past year and a half. Can anyone compare the mindfuck with this in comparison to say, 4-AcO-DMT or mushrooms for me?
 
sean107 said:
Finally getting to try 4-HO-MiPT soon after having told myself I would try it for the past year and a half. Can anyone compare the mindfuck with this in comparison to say, 4-AcO-DMT or mushrooms for me?
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There's a lot less in low to moderate-ish doses. In a relative dose-dose comparison, it's most likely never going to have the same kind of sometimes overwhelming profundity that those two drugs can cause, IME. However, at pretty high doses (in my case, repeated insufflated doses) it can get pretty fuckin' confusing/mindfucky. But those were excessive doses that produced massive visual distortion. In general, it's a pretty easy going, positively tinged experience.
 
The above is on point. It's only when you push the dose above 50mg does the headspace get wacky. Otherwise, it's a happy-go-lucky 4 sub.
 
Is it safe to take miprocin if im a daily kratom user? Ive heard miprocin has maoi effects
 
I'm not sure about miprocin yet, but I've taken 4-Aco-DMT as a daily kratom user. My miprocin is on the way so I'll let you guys know about the combo soon.
 
I find myself unexpectedly humbled by this chemical. 55mg ingested orally at 1 am, by 1:15 I notice strong visual distortions and very colorful hallucinations. I laid in bed around 1:45 with Grateful Dead playing in the background and I am engulfed in my own imagination. All barriers between my normally (in retrospect) very compartmentalized memories and emotions are evaporated. Some very confusing interval of time passes and I weary of my complete lack of sense and definition, so I put on Netflix and find "The Inexplicable Universe" with Neil DeGrasse Tyson and have someone I trust to explain to me how the universe works. I had completely forgotten how crazy a tryptamine headfuck can be, and I'm just glad I had the sense to wait until I was home to take it and not at a concert.
 
Sorry to double post but I've had issues with mobile before.

I forgot to mention something that really weirded me out at first until I figured it out. I experienced HUGE audio distortions for probably the first 5 hours of the trip. As I was listening to Dr Tyson speak it sounded like he was constantly speeding up and slowing down, like if you had a knob tied to the audio speed and just kept twisting it as he spoke. Once I figured out it was the drug and not Netflix fucking with me I found it somewhat amusing.
 
To me miprocin is the all funs and games of the 4-ho-Xtryptamine. I was psychologically stuck in a logical loup of unused thoughts. I didnt know why I was thinking so I didnt know why to stop so I could not know how. This drug showed me thinking is to gain control on things that gives you satisfaction/comfort/pleasure 2 months after the trip I was a totally different person.
 
I had my third experience with miprocin recently. I am an alcoholic/addict in recovery and have revisited psychedelics recently in hopes that I could reawaken my sense of wonder an appreciation of the world as I've been soul searching and working towards solutions. I'm of the opinion that recovery is not necessarily total abstinence.

I dosed 15 mg of miprocin recently after the last dosage of approx 20 mg. It's not as heavy to me as 4-aco-DMT, which I have dosed up to 50+ milligrams, but to me it feels more potent. It's "brighter" to me and very introspective but hasn't left me weeping rainbow tears of joy like psilacetin.

I have really wanted to drink lately but I have abstained. Alcohol isn't something that I want to use anymore although I still crave it often. It helped me ruin my life and psychedelics have only given me positive results. It has no place in the future I want to build for myself and the family I want to have some day. I am a severe alcoholic in remission and cannot drink like a normal person. I was so grateful during and after my trip that I didn't drink. It would've tainted the trip.

During the slightly uncomfortable come-up( I insufflated most of it) I struggled with wanting to drink to take the edge off but once it kicked in fully after 1 hour I felt joyous and introspective. I decided to go speak to my cousin who is visiting from Austin,TX. It was close by I did not drive. I spoke to her for 2+ hours as I haven't spoken to her at length in many years. I want to be a better friend, son, family member, and worker at my job. I stopped caring about anything and everybody for so so long and now I've been working hard on self improvement and seeing results in my life.

My heart chakra is open today. I appreciate people despite and sometimes because of their flaws, when I can stay mindful that is! After a decade of struggling, the last 3 1/2 years having been the worst, I'm finally recovering which I didn't think was possible. It has been due to support and a lot of hard work, but the responsible use of some psychedelics has also been a catalyst for change and has helped me remember that life is beautiful and that we all shine under the same sun.
 
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alexvolume2 said:
...It has been due to support and a lot of hard work, but the responsible use of some psychedelics has also been a catalyst for change and has helped me remember that life is beautiful and that we all shine under the same sun.
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This is such an important thing to realize. I think a lot of people go in to psychedelics thinking it will fix their problems, but that's just unrealistic. Maybe you realize something, but then you still have to do something to get there. That something you have to do can be very hard, and it won't be any easier, but psychedelics can help you find the drive to be the best person you can be.
 
alexvolume2 said:
I had my third experience with miprocin recently. I am an alcoholic/addict in recovery and have revisited psychedelics recently in hopes that I could reawaken my sense of wonder an appreciation of the world as I've been soul searching and working towards solutions. I'm of the opinion that recovery is not necessarily total abstinence.
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My heart chakra is open today. I appreciate people despite and sometimes because of their flaws, when I can stay mindful that is! After a decade of struggling, the last 3 1/2 years having been the worst, I'm finally recovering which I didn't think was possible. It has been due to support and a lot of hard work, but the responsible use of some psychedelics has also been a catalyst for change and has helped me remember that life is beautiful and that we all shine under the same sun.
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Both modern and pre-prohibtion research have indicated psychedelics have potential in treating addiction. The co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous Bill Wilson was involved with early LSD research and advocated LSD assisted psychotherapy as a treatment. Read more here.

Current Drug Abuse Reviews said:
Curr Drug Abuse Rev. Author manuscript; available in PMC 2016 Jan 1.
Published in final edited form as:
Curr Drug Abuse Rev. 2015; 7(3): 157–164.
PMCID: PMC4342293
NIHMSID: NIHMS648744

Psilocybin-occasioned Mystical Experiences in the Treatment of Tobacco Addiction
Albert Garcia-Romeu, PhD,1 Roland R. Griffiths, PhD,1,2 and Matthew W. Johnson, PhD1


Abstract

Psilocybin-occasioned mystical experiences have been linked to persisting effects in healthy volunteers including positive changes in behavior, attitudes, and values, and increases in the personality domain of openness. In an open-label pilot-study of psilocybin-facilitated smoking addiction treatment, 15 smokers received 2 or 3 doses of psilocybin in the context of cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) for smoking cessation. Twelve of 15 participants (80%) demonstrated biologically verified smoking abstinence at 6-month follow-up. Participants who were abstinent at 6 months (n=12) were compared to participants still smoking at 6 months (n=3) on measures of subjective effects of psilocybin. Abstainers scored significantly higher on a measure of psilocybin-occasioned mystical experience. No significant differences in general intensity of drug effects were found between groups, suggesting that mystical-type subjective effects, rather than overall intensity of drug effects, were responsible for smoking cessation. Nine of 15 participants (60%) met criteria for “complete” mystical experience. Smoking cessation outcomes were significantly correlated with measures of mystical experience on session days, as well as retrospective ratings of personal meaning and spiritual significance of psilocybin sessions. These results suggest a mediating role of mystical experience in psychedelic-facilitated addiction treatment.
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Journal of Psychopharmacology said:
Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) for alcoholism: meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials

Teri S Krebs1,2
Pål-Ørjan Johansen1,2

1Department of Neuroscience, Faculty of Medicine, Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), Trondheim, Norway
2Laboratory for Integrative Psychiatry, Division of Alcohol and Drug Abuse, McLean Hospital, Belmont, MA, USA and Department of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, USA

Pål-Ørjan Johansen, Department of Neuroscience, Faculty of Medicine, NTNU, N-7489 Trondheim, Norway Email: XXX{at}ntnu.no

Abstract

Assessments of lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) in the treatment of alcoholism have not been based on quantitative meta-analysis. Hence, we performed a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials in order to evaluate the clinical efficacy of LSD in the treatment of alcoholism. Two reviewers independently extracted the data, pooling the effects using odds ratios (ORs) by a generic inverse variance, random effects model. We identified six eligible trials, including 536 participants. There was evidence for a beneficial effect of LSD on alcohol misuse (OR, 1.96; 95% CI, 1.36–2.84; p = 0.0003). Between-trial heterogeneity for the treatment effects was negligible (I2 = 0%). Secondary outcomes, risk of bias and limitations are discussed. A single dose of LSD, in the context of various alcoholism treatment programs, is associated with a decrease in alcohol misuse.
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Source
 
Absolutely true. There's documentation. I go to AA pretty religiously, ha ha. It's kind of cultish and I haven't "drank the Kool-Aid" but it's a good support group and free therapy. I do love telling people in AA that Bill W. took acid, a lot of them don't want to believe it. It shakes them up. He co-authored several papers but I read that he had his name taken off of some of them because of backlash in the group.

I hate how they tell people not to use " drugs" but most of them sitting there drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes, drinking a drug and smoking one at the same time. They can get very hypocritical.
 
The part of AA that kills me is when people use for a quick fix and do get better.....figure things out and see themselves and learn

And them if as when they no longer need it and can successfully use like a "normal person" there is now that stigma....your an alcoholic, you can't do that
 
For example, I've been going to AA off and on for almost 10 years. It's like how talk therapy is more efficacious with medicine co-administered.

To stay on topic, I hadn't tried any rc psychedelics until recently. Rc's in general yes, psychs no. I didn't have much access to traditional entheogens besides cacti and HBWR but having mostly gotten sober already I needed a push, enter mystical experience with 4-aco-DMT and miprocin. Miprocin has been an incredible medicine so far. I could dose precisely and know what to expect, as much as one can with psychedelics. Fantastic compound.
 
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