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I find 4-HO-MiPT to be more potent. What are you usual doses of 4-sub-tryptamine? I'd recommend anywhere from 20-25mg for a first time, but it depends on your sensitivity. For some it might be lower.
Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MiPT Thread - 2nd MiPteration
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I'd say I'm pretty much average. I'll probably go with 20-22mg. Thanks.
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trip report on about 20-22mgs...
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/783890-(miprocin-20-mg)-beginner-cried-over-a-friend-that-died
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/783890-(miprocin-20-mg)-beginner-cried-over-a-friend-that-died
My favorite compound! One time I mixed 60mg with 3gAniracetam,1gcentrophenoxine,200mgnoopept,200mgL-Dopa,500L-Theanine and tons of cannabis. It was the best trip I ever had, the most joyful and careless feeling of the world, the feeling that the world is mine and I can do whatever I want, The only thing stopping me is my body. I think with some more Mipt I would have left my body but I can't afford that much! I also think That this combination made me temporarely smarter because I had ideas more complex than ever.
I miss this stuff! Still one of my favorites. 
I have everything stashed away now, safe and secure, but I don't feel like tripping anymore.
Even though I miss it. Miprocin ime is a solid ++ @ 20mg. 40mg is definitely +++, so somewhere between those numbers the dose response curve spikes up. It's just like shrooms except with more of a positive vibe/euphoria and less...intense trippiness at the doses above. Shrooms can get edgy/trippier.
I have everything stashed away now, safe and secure, but I don't feel like tripping anymore.
Even though I miss it. Miprocin ime is a solid ++ @ 20mg. 40mg is definitely +++, so somewhere between those numbers the dose response curve spikes up. It's just like shrooms except with more of a positive vibe/euphoria and less...intense trippiness at the doses above. Shrooms can get edgy/trippier.
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Hey Kl519, I hope the break from tripping is going well. Did you ever get to that combination of LSD, 4-HO-MiPT, and 2C-B that you wanted to before you stopped? I'm still jealous that you even have the option!
You know, I have to admit, despite saying before that I felt content having experienced 50 mg of 4-HO-MiPT without feeling the need to go back or push further, I honestly have not been able to stop thinking about it since then. I'm thinking that the strength of it might have just pushed me away at first because it was much greater than I was expecting for that dose... but now that some time has passed since then, I find myself becoming more and more curious about what I would get out of that level if I actually planned for it, or for going even deeper with it.
I would like to make one more observation on the variability of personal responses: I find it very interesting how many people say that it is just like mushrooms, because I think I would actually say that it may have been the least mushroom-like of any 4-substituted tryptamine I've tried so far. There are two very significant structure-activity patterns I have been noticing consistently throughout all of my experiences with these substances, the first being constrained to those with symmetrical but not asymmetrical nitrogen tail substitution patterns, and the second being constrained to those with at least one methyl group on their tail and one other straight but not forked alkyl group. So, in other words, the first group contains the 4-substituted DMTs, DETs, DiPTs, DPTs, and DALTs, whereas the second group contains the DMTs, METs, and MPTs. Notice how psilocin falls into each, but 4-HO-MiPT is not present in either?
The first collection of effects, present within the symmetrical tails, can be very easily identified by a very distinct and obvious visual effect, which appears much more readily with eyes closed or when in a dark room. This involves an extremely large number of arms often in hyperspatial garb reaching out towards me, sometimes attached to full human forms and other times simply acting on their own, and typically arranged into geometric designs such as winding spirals that tunnel back into the distance, projections outward from the center of my view in linear perspective, or in cascades raining down and slightly outward from atop my view. It has been exclusively shown in darker colors like blues, greens, or grays, but, on the other hand, is almost always accompanied by foreground imagery of turning faces that tend to use similar colors but in much lighter shades in the form of eye color, jewelry, or other such things. On the perceptual and behavioral fronts, these visuals have also associated very significantly with a consistent and recognizable effect of feeling like I am stuck in a dissociative whirlwind, with my mind just kind of dreamily flying around on its own, in such a way that seems to lead to immersive visions with the proper setting as well. I have experienced all of this relatively equally on a couple good grams of mushrooms, 25 mg of 4-HO-DET, 30 mg of 4-HO-DiPT, 60 mg of 4-HO-DPT, and 60 mg of 4-AcO-DALT, and I also found 50 mg of 4-AcO-DMT comparable to 100 mg of 4-HO-DPT in this way.
The second collection of effects also begins with a very notable visual effect, which also involves faces but in a different way than from before. Whereas the faces detailed above are very detailed and crisp, at the same time there is often a sort of flatness to them, a photorealistic but still ultimately cartoonish design. On the other hand, the faces I notice in this visual effect feel consistently three-dimensional and far more fully rendered, but notably still slightly sub-realistic, less so than a flat image, but more like maybe a virtual reality world. To follow this theme, it is also almost always accompanied by straight, white grid patterns appearing over surfaces, giving everything a particularly rendered feeling. However, rather than turning or moving in other ways like with the first group, these faces are more often static, occasionally shifting expression but not interacting much, and rather than being extremely vivid and close, they are often somewhat blurred and distant. Though, I should note that mushrooms, falling into both of these groups, do indeed give me a combination of both effects which I believe is probably why their entity perceptions are so much more complete for me than any of these other tryptamines still. Anyway, these visuals tend to be expressed through a wider variety of brighter but still deep colors, with red, green, blue, yellow, and white seeming to make the most common appearances. And finally, to contrast the first group, these visual effects seem to accompanied for me by, rather than an immersion in an inner world, a state of delusion brought about by bringing the mind into the outside world. I have experienced this about the same on a few grams of mushrooms, 50 mg of 4-AcO-DMT, 25 mg of 4-HO-MET, and 50 mg of 4-HO-MPT, and have gotten lesser versions on lower doses of each.
So, now I have to admit something else too.... While I say that these effects seem exclusive to these groups, I really believe that it is likely that each group is just more potent at its effect than the other, but that all of these tryptamines will probably do all of these things at a high enough dose. To that end, I have experienced a much weaker version of the reaching arms and turning faces effect on 50 mg each of 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MPT, and I also had some of the virtual world and grid lines appearing during meditation on 100 mg of 4-HO-DPT, and I've seen a brief flash of it once on 4-HO-DET and 4-AcO-DET each. However, what makes me divide these groups into these categories is not the total exclusivity, but just the fact that these effects do consistently seem to appear much more often and much more potently at my lowest significantly psychedelic doses of their corresponding substances, and that they both appear together with psilocin. But then, as I pointed out before, I did not include 4-HO-MiPT in either list... because it does not do either of these things significantly for me at doses which produce fully active psychedelia. In fact, even at 50 mg I thought it really only maybe started hinting at either, and neither of them were significant at all compared to how intense the rest of the trip was. By that I mean the typical effects you would attribute to any strong psychedelic, the feeling of ego loss, thought, emotion, and sensory intensification, extreme visual tracers and distortions, and so on, but just not all of those more complex hallucinogenic effects that I tend to associate with other tryptamines. So, given that mushrooms have both of those qualities for me and all the other synthetic 4-substituted tryptamines I've tried had one of them, the one with neither is the one that seems the least like mushrooms to me.
Not to ramble on for too long, but there's one last thought of mine to add in now which is where my personal appreciation for 4-HO-MiPT actually comes in strongly.... In regards to those basic psychedelic effects that 4-HO-MiPT has that you could expect from anything, I actually find it incredibly similar to LSD, I think second only to 4-HO-MPT of the 4-substituted tryptamines that I've tried. I have a theory about the general structure of the lysergamides in relation to these tryptamines... which I think is actually a pretty basic one, but I just never see it discussed. Technically, lysergamides can be viewed as conformationally constrained analogues of tryptamines, with LSD in particular being a locked version of MPT with the three hydrogen bonds on the last carbon of the propyl group replaced with a double-bonded oxygen and a nitrogen with two diethyl groups attached to it, whereas for instance LSA would simply be with a nitrogen attached. This would make it even closer to MPT itself, but a step further can actually be found in nature too, in the form of agroclavine, which not only is literally just a constrained MPT with no further substitutions, but even sometimes occurs in higher amounts than LSA in some morning glory chemical composition analyses. See all of these chemicals, along with 4-HO-MPT, shown below:
So, first of all my thought would be that this clearly might be why 4-HO-MPT was the most LSD-like of the 4-substituted tryptamines for me, but I think it opens up other interesting avenues of speculation as well. For instance, 4-HO-MET is often described as feeling somewhat lysergic as well, and I feel this way about it too, but to me it feels much more like mushrooms but with a little lysergic flavoring, but not really entirely like LSD.... This could seemingly then be because the ethyl group is one carbon less than the propyl, so it's not as close to the LSD structure as 4-HO-MPT, but it is still one step closer than psilocin is. On the other hand, in one sense an isopropyl could even be seen as a step in the wrong direction because it adds a carbon group extended out somewhere where there isn't one on the lysergamide molecules, but however, an isopropyl is the most similar bulk extension to a propyl, it it not? I realized that logically it's probably not best to think about these structure-activity relationship as LSD-centric given that they work by mimicking serotonin, which should mean that it'd be much more logical to have something like psilocin as the starting point. So, from that perspective, I have to ask is it not possible that the "lysergic" feeling is one that is simply added to an N-methyltryptamine by extending the bulk of its other tail substitution, such that when it reaches three carbons a similar effect will be achieved whether it is through a propyl or an isopropyl?
Perhaps notably, MiPT is even more similar to LSD for me than 4-HO-MiPT is, which should make sense if you consider that LSD is a locked version of a tryptamine with no ring substitutions, thereby making a 4-hydroxy group a step away from its structure. On that note though, I think that step may also be very important for adding those effects to 4-HO-MPT that I also get from mushrooms and 4-HO-MET but which seem to be disrupted on 4-HO-MiPT. In reference to that I would also have to assert something about 4-HO-MPT: that even though I do indeed find it to be even more LSD-like than 4-HO-MiPT is, I also find it to be more mushroom-like to an even greater extent. The only explanation that I can come up with for it as that, at least in my brain, that isopropyl group must disrupt psilocin-like receptor binding relative to what the propyl group does much more so than it does the same for LSD-like receptor binding, the end result being a drug which is slightly less LSD-like in that particular style, but ultimately more LSD-like as a whole. Likewise, because neither 4-HO-MPT nor 4-HO-MiPT is entirely like LSD even in the ways that they are similar, I feel that the lack of more overt mushroom-like effects also allows the subtle differences in its "like LSD but different"-ness to shine through more clearly, which is quite interesting in its own right.
Anyway, all of these thoughts are what have made me start to think that I will actually be attempting to explore more with 4-HO-MiPT in the future again.... Maybe I will find that at an even higher dose these one or both of these two distinct patterns of effect I've noticed in other tryptamines will show up together simply late for the party, and at that moment the distinction between 4-HO-MiPT and other 4-substituted tryptamines will be essentially obliterated? Maybe I'm just not sensitive enough to these effects to get them on doses of 4-HO-MiPT lower than 50 mg, whereas others get their own personal variants of them readily, or, possibly, just get something entirely different.... I'm not complaining though, as this atypical predominantly LSD-likeness is really what has caused my interest in this and other MiPT molecules to suddenly peak, and I wouldn't want to rob them of the thing I find the most unique about them. Quite frankly, I am intending to try 5-MeO-MiPT within the next day or two and am secretly hoping that it will have this special "lysergic" feeling for me as well.
Alrighty, I will shut up now....
Did you ever get to that combination of LSD, 4-HO-MiPT, and 2C-B that you wanted to before you stopped? I'm still jealous that you even have the option!You know, I have to admit, despite saying before that I felt content having experienced 50 mg of 4-HO-MiPT without feeling the need to go back or push further, I honestly have not been able to stop thinking about it since then. I'm thinking that the strength of it might have just pushed me away at first because it was much greater than I was expecting for that dose... but now that some time has passed since then, I find myself becoming more and more curious about what I would get out of that level if I actually planned for it, or for going even deeper with it.
I would like to make one more observation on the variability of personal responses: I find it very interesting how many people say that it is just like mushrooms, because I think I would actually say that it may have been the least mushroom-like of any 4-substituted tryptamine I've tried so far. There are two very significant structure-activity patterns I have been noticing consistently throughout all of my experiences with these substances, the first being constrained to those with symmetrical but not asymmetrical nitrogen tail substitution patterns, and the second being constrained to those with at least one methyl group on their tail and one other straight but not forked alkyl group. So, in other words, the first group contains the 4-substituted DMTs, DETs, DiPTs, DPTs, and DALTs, whereas the second group contains the DMTs, METs, and MPTs. Notice how psilocin falls into each, but 4-HO-MiPT is not present in either?
The first collection of effects, present within the symmetrical tails, can be very easily identified by a very distinct and obvious visual effect, which appears much more readily with eyes closed or when in a dark room. This involves an extremely large number of arms often in hyperspatial garb reaching out towards me, sometimes attached to full human forms and other times simply acting on their own, and typically arranged into geometric designs such as winding spirals that tunnel back into the distance, projections outward from the center of my view in linear perspective, or in cascades raining down and slightly outward from atop my view. It has been exclusively shown in darker colors like blues, greens, or grays, but, on the other hand, is almost always accompanied by foreground imagery of turning faces that tend to use similar colors but in much lighter shades in the form of eye color, jewelry, or other such things. On the perceptual and behavioral fronts, these visuals have also associated very significantly with a consistent and recognizable effect of feeling like I am stuck in a dissociative whirlwind, with my mind just kind of dreamily flying around on its own, in such a way that seems to lead to immersive visions with the proper setting as well. I have experienced all of this relatively equally on a couple good grams of mushrooms, 25 mg of 4-HO-DET, 30 mg of 4-HO-DiPT, 60 mg of 4-HO-DPT, and 60 mg of 4-AcO-DALT, and I also found 50 mg of 4-AcO-DMT comparable to 100 mg of 4-HO-DPT in this way.
The second collection of effects also begins with a very notable visual effect, which also involves faces but in a different way than from before. Whereas the faces detailed above are very detailed and crisp, at the same time there is often a sort of flatness to them, a photorealistic but still ultimately cartoonish design. On the other hand, the faces I notice in this visual effect feel consistently three-dimensional and far more fully rendered, but notably still slightly sub-realistic, less so than a flat image, but more like maybe a virtual reality world. To follow this theme, it is also almost always accompanied by straight, white grid patterns appearing over surfaces, giving everything a particularly rendered feeling. However, rather than turning or moving in other ways like with the first group, these faces are more often static, occasionally shifting expression but not interacting much, and rather than being extremely vivid and close, they are often somewhat blurred and distant. Though, I should note that mushrooms, falling into both of these groups, do indeed give me a combination of both effects which I believe is probably why their entity perceptions are so much more complete for me than any of these other tryptamines still. Anyway, these visuals tend to be expressed through a wider variety of brighter but still deep colors, with red, green, blue, yellow, and white seeming to make the most common appearances. And finally, to contrast the first group, these visual effects seem to accompanied for me by, rather than an immersion in an inner world, a state of delusion brought about by bringing the mind into the outside world. I have experienced this about the same on a few grams of mushrooms, 50 mg of 4-AcO-DMT, 25 mg of 4-HO-MET, and 50 mg of 4-HO-MPT, and have gotten lesser versions on lower doses of each.
So, now I have to admit something else too.... While I say that these effects seem exclusive to these groups, I really believe that it is likely that each group is just more potent at its effect than the other, but that all of these tryptamines will probably do all of these things at a high enough dose. To that end, I have experienced a much weaker version of the reaching arms and turning faces effect on 50 mg each of 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MPT, and I also had some of the virtual world and grid lines appearing during meditation on 100 mg of 4-HO-DPT, and I've seen a brief flash of it once on 4-HO-DET and 4-AcO-DET each. However, what makes me divide these groups into these categories is not the total exclusivity, but just the fact that these effects do consistently seem to appear much more often and much more potently at my lowest significantly psychedelic doses of their corresponding substances, and that they both appear together with psilocin. But then, as I pointed out before, I did not include 4-HO-MiPT in either list... because it does not do either of these things significantly for me at doses which produce fully active psychedelia. In fact, even at 50 mg I thought it really only maybe started hinting at either, and neither of them were significant at all compared to how intense the rest of the trip was. By that I mean the typical effects you would attribute to any strong psychedelic, the feeling of ego loss, thought, emotion, and sensory intensification, extreme visual tracers and distortions, and so on, but just not all of those more complex hallucinogenic effects that I tend to associate with other tryptamines. So, given that mushrooms have both of those qualities for me and all the other synthetic 4-substituted tryptamines I've tried had one of them, the one with neither is the one that seems the least like mushrooms to me.
Not to ramble on for too long, but there's one last thought of mine to add in now which is where my personal appreciation for 4-HO-MiPT actually comes in strongly.... In regards to those basic psychedelic effects that 4-HO-MiPT has that you could expect from anything, I actually find it incredibly similar to LSD, I think second only to 4-HO-MPT of the 4-substituted tryptamines that I've tried. I have a theory about the general structure of the lysergamides in relation to these tryptamines... which I think is actually a pretty basic one, but I just never see it discussed. Technically, lysergamides can be viewed as conformationally constrained analogues of tryptamines, with LSD in particular being a locked version of MPT with the three hydrogen bonds on the last carbon of the propyl group replaced with a double-bonded oxygen and a nitrogen with two diethyl groups attached to it, whereas for instance LSA would simply be with a nitrogen attached. This would make it even closer to MPT itself, but a step further can actually be found in nature too, in the form of agroclavine, which not only is literally just a constrained MPT with no further substitutions, but even sometimes occurs in higher amounts than LSA in some morning glory chemical composition analyses. See all of these chemicals, along with 4-HO-MPT, shown below:
So, first of all my thought would be that this clearly might be why 4-HO-MPT was the most LSD-like of the 4-substituted tryptamines for me, but I think it opens up other interesting avenues of speculation as well. For instance, 4-HO-MET is often described as feeling somewhat lysergic as well, and I feel this way about it too, but to me it feels much more like mushrooms but with a little lysergic flavoring, but not really entirely like LSD.... This could seemingly then be because the ethyl group is one carbon less than the propyl, so it's not as close to the LSD structure as 4-HO-MPT, but it is still one step closer than psilocin is. On the other hand, in one sense an isopropyl could even be seen as a step in the wrong direction because it adds a carbon group extended out somewhere where there isn't one on the lysergamide molecules, but however, an isopropyl is the most similar bulk extension to a propyl, it it not? I realized that logically it's probably not best to think about these structure-activity relationship as LSD-centric given that they work by mimicking serotonin, which should mean that it'd be much more logical to have something like psilocin as the starting point. So, from that perspective, I have to ask is it not possible that the "lysergic" feeling is one that is simply added to an N-methyltryptamine by extending the bulk of its other tail substitution, such that when it reaches three carbons a similar effect will be achieved whether it is through a propyl or an isopropyl?
Perhaps notably, MiPT is even more similar to LSD for me than 4-HO-MiPT is, which should make sense if you consider that LSD is a locked version of a tryptamine with no ring substitutions, thereby making a 4-hydroxy group a step away from its structure. On that note though, I think that step may also be very important for adding those effects to 4-HO-MPT that I also get from mushrooms and 4-HO-MET but which seem to be disrupted on 4-HO-MiPT. In reference to that I would also have to assert something about 4-HO-MPT: that even though I do indeed find it to be even more LSD-like than 4-HO-MiPT is, I also find it to be more mushroom-like to an even greater extent. The only explanation that I can come up with for it as that, at least in my brain, that isopropyl group must disrupt psilocin-like receptor binding relative to what the propyl group does much more so than it does the same for LSD-like receptor binding, the end result being a drug which is slightly less LSD-like in that particular style, but ultimately more LSD-like as a whole. Likewise, because neither 4-HO-MPT nor 4-HO-MiPT is entirely like LSD even in the ways that they are similar, I feel that the lack of more overt mushroom-like effects also allows the subtle differences in its "like LSD but different"-ness to shine through more clearly, which is quite interesting in its own right.
Anyway, all of these thoughts are what have made me start to think that I will actually be attempting to explore more with 4-HO-MiPT in the future again.... Maybe I will find that at an even higher dose these one or both of these two distinct patterns of effect I've noticed in other tryptamines will show up together simply late for the party, and at that moment the distinction between 4-HO-MiPT and other 4-substituted tryptamines will be essentially obliterated? Maybe I'm just not sensitive enough to these effects to get them on doses of 4-HO-MiPT lower than 50 mg, whereas others get their own personal variants of them readily, or, possibly, just get something entirely different.... I'm not complaining though, as this atypical predominantly LSD-likeness is really what has caused my interest in this and other MiPT molecules to suddenly peak, and I wouldn't want to rob them of the thing I find the most unique about them. Quite frankly, I am intending to try 5-MeO-MiPT within the next day or two and am secretly hoping that it will have this special "lysergic" feeling for me as well.
Alrighty, I will shut up now....
Kaleida-Damn, lol, well hi to you too.
It's been okay, just busy. Well, Thursday night-Sunday I'll be doing whatever though. Nah, I didn't get to try it! I still have them, haha. I was going to flush them, but kind of thought about how retarded that would be. Especially the DOPr...but anyway, they're locked and stashed away so I don't have the option either. At least for the foreseeable future, aka not any time soon year-wise.
Yeah, definitely there's a lot of wiggle room for variable effects between users, but they'll have some similarities as well. For me, just ime, it was subjectively more like mushrooms than anything else, even metocin. What should be noted is that those are the only 4-substituted tryptamines that I've tried, so I'm sure the ones you mentioned should be even more so, or at least that it's very likely to be even more similar to psilocin subjectively. I can see your point.
About with lsd, it was different for me, but that doesn't mean someone such as yourself can't find the similarities between them. To me, opposite reactions to psychedelics are a reality, so yeah, I would just agree with everything you said. I haven't tried MPT, and honestly a few years ago I would've been down to try all of the psilocin analogues, so you're lucky to have taken all of those. I don't really have a personal opinion since I haven't tried them, but it's nice to get your take on it.
But yeah, miprocin can get hectic at higher doses. 50mg and above is sure to induce a strong +++. Have fun!
It's been okay, just busy. Well, Thursday night-Sunday I'll be doing whatever though. Nah, I didn't get to try it! I still have them, haha. I was going to flush them, but kind of thought about how retarded that would be. Especially the DOPr...but anyway, they're locked and stashed away so I don't have the option either. At least for the foreseeable future, aka not any time soon year-wise.
Yeah, definitely there's a lot of wiggle room for variable effects between users, but they'll have some similarities as well. For me, just ime, it was subjectively more like mushrooms than anything else, even metocin. What should be noted is that those are the only 4-substituted tryptamines that I've tried, so I'm sure the ones you mentioned should be even more so, or at least that it's very likely to be even more similar to psilocin subjectively. I can see your point.
About with lsd, it was different for me, but that doesn't mean someone such as yourself can't find the similarities between them. To me, opposite reactions to psychedelics are a reality, so yeah, I would just agree with everything you said. I haven't tried MPT, and honestly a few years ago I would've been down to try all of the psilocin analogues, so you're lucky to have taken all of those. I don't really have a personal opinion since I haven't tried them, but it's nice to get your take on it.
But yeah, miprocin can get hectic at higher doses. 50mg and above is sure to induce a strong +++. Have fun!
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how long does miprocin fumarate's potency last being stored?
ive seen someone say when stored properly three years it was good
ive seen someone say when stored properly three years it was good
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I agree that miprocin kind of resembles LSD. First time I tried it I found it was like an acid trip at high speed, compressed into a few couple of hours.
Anyway, psychedelic's seem to affect everyone more or less differently, and in further experimenting with this compound I found the LSD aspect to be less pronounced as I upped the dose.
Anyway, psychedelic's seem to affect everyone more or less differently, and in further experimenting with this compound I found the LSD aspect to be less pronounced as I upped the dose.
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How long would 18-20mg of miprocin last, roughly? About equivalent to a mushroom trip of similar effects?
Anywhere from 4-6 hours, depending on if you're including the come-up time too. Yeah, I'd say 20mg is roughly equivalent 2g's of pcilocybin mushies. I guess the point is 20mg is about a medium to maybe high dose in most cases.
For me, it was a definite ++ and not much more than that. But others have seemed to have had +++, so I guess the range is right around there at ~20mg (because some dose by the mg like 18, 22, 23, etc).
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Kaleida-Damn, lol, well hi to you too.
It's been okay, just busy. Well, Thursday night-Sunday I'll be doing whatever though. Nah, I didn't get to try it! I still have them, haha. I was going to flush them, but kind of thought about how retarded that would be. Especially the DOPr...but anyway, they're locked and stashed away so I don't have the option either. At least for the foreseeable future, aka not any time soon year-wise.
Yeah, definitely there's a lot of wiggle room for variable effects between users, but they'll have some similarities as well. For me, just ime, it was subjectively more like mushrooms than anything else, even metocin. What should be noted is that those are the only 4-substituted tryptamines that I've tried, so I'm sure the ones you mentioned should be even more so, or at least that it's very likely to be even more similar to psilocin subjectively. I can see your point.
About with lsd, it was different for me, but that doesn't mean someone such as yourself can't find the similarities between them. To me, opposite reactions to psychedelics are a reality, so yeah, I would just agree with everything you said. I haven't tried MPT, and honestly a few years ago I would've been down to try all of the psilocin analogues, so you're lucky to have taken all of those. I don't really have a personal opinion since I haven't tried them, but it's nice to get your take on it.
But yeah, miprocin can get hectic at higher doses. 50mg and above is sure to induce a strong +++. Have fun!
Well, I'm glad to hear it's going well.
But, you were going to flush them? O.O Just because you don't feel like tripping anymore? You and I have very different mindsets about these things lol. But, oh well, for now I've got plenty of time and I'm not going anywhere.... Even if it takes over a year, I'd still be interested in hearing how that trip goes if you ever get around to it. 
That is a good observation though, when I said all that I wasn't thinking about the fact that a lot of people have experience with 4-HO-MiPT but not many other 4-substituted tryptamines. That would of course skew the perception of how mushroom-like they are compared to one another... so there's just even more potential confusion muddling things up. Though, I should say, I actually did take some 5-MeO-MiPT today and had sort of a realization while thinking about it and my other trips about how 4-HO-MiPT is more similar to mushrooms than other tryptamines for me too: to make a long story short, I find them both to be very high on the geometric, sensory overload, mind loopy kind of experience, as opposed to the more hedonistic, dissociative/visionary kind of trip I get from straight alkyls with bulk like 4-HO-MPT or 4-HO-DPT. So, in that sense, even though I do personally find its geometry and things to be more like LSD than mushrooms, from a quantitative rather than qualitative perspective I also find that to make it more mushroom-like than the others. So, again, I guess it just comes down to perspective.
I am definitely even more interested in exploring with 4-HO-MiPT again after today.... Thanks for the encouragement!
That's a very fitting description of how I felt about it, and actually also 4-HO-MPT, MiPT, and even the 5-MeO-MiPT I took today to some extent. One of the most noticeable things about it is that the time course in changes in visual, mental, and physical effects is very similar to LSD with each, just proportionally shortened.
I expect the similarities to LSD to become less with higher doses too, but that's perfectly fine. I don't mean to suggest that I'd rather these molecules be LSD-like either, as I'm not married to the idea of LSD being the perfect psychedelic.... I simply think that something that feels at its base like it may draw from a similar area of perception as LSD might be likely to produce similarly deep effects of its own when used properly, but ultimately I would rather those effects be unique in their own right as well, not just a copy of something else good. Variety is the spice of life, after all.
To me Miprocin last lot longer than 4-6 hours, I always mix with nootropics tho and I think it can increase the lengh of the trip.
I can feel it for at least 6-10 hours depending on the dose. 10 hours is for 60mg fumarate or 42mg freebase.
I can feel it for at least 6-10 hours depending on the dose. 10 hours is for 60mg fumarate or 42mg freebase.
Well, I'm glad to hear it's going well.
That is a good observation though, when I said all that I wasn't thinking about the fact that a lot of people have experience with 4-HO-MiPT but not many other 4-substituted tryptamines. That would of course skew the perception of how mushroom-like they are compared to one another... so there's just even more potential confusion muddling things up. Though, I should say, I actually did take some 5-MeO-MiPT today and had sort of a realization while thinking about it and my other trips about how 4-HO-MiPT is more similar to mushrooms than other tryptamines for me too: to make a long story short, I find them both to be very high on the geometric, sensory overload, mind loopy kind of experience, as opposed to the more hedonistic, dissociative/visionary kind of trip I get from straight alkyls with bulk like 4-HO-MPT or 4-HO-DPT. So, in that sense, even though I do personally find its geometry and things to be more like LSD than mushrooms, from a quantitative rather than qualitative perspective I also find that to make it more mushroom-like than the others. So, again, I guess it just comes down to perspective.
I am definitely even more interested in exploring with 4-HO-MiPT again after today.... Thanks for the encouragement!
Haha, yeah I know, I felt all righteous when I decided to quit. But when I opened my Pandora's box, I thought about the effort I put into getting them, and so...yeah. I'm just glad I'm not tempted like I would've been in the past, but that's how I know that I really made up my mind about it.
Hmm...I thought about tripping maybe once a year after this year, but the thing is that I know myself and my own tendencies; once I get back into it, tripping once a year will be impossible. It's still an all or nothing style for me, until I have the leisure to try to strike a balance with my damn ways of doing things.
Yeah, your life seems so chill! Especially because you've gotten to try so many of the psilocin analogues during the last couple (?) years or so, meaning you were able to do everything you needed to do while still finding time to trip like that. I could barely find time to trip last year that it was hella disappointing to go out like that, but whatever. The DOPr trip still sticks with me though! I'll never forget that 8mg trip.
Though when I reach my current goals, I may actually take up that offer and try both the DOPr and DOC. And perhaps I'll finish the combinations, idk, if that time comes it won't be for a long time anyway, so I'll decide then.
But yeah, shrooms have always been one of my favorites. I just refuse to ever eat any again because the last time I did, my stomach hurt so bad that I just stayed doubled over in pain at my friend's house for hours. So years later, I literally came here searching for a potential replacement and saw this thread. Miprocin is just that good ime. Very similar, imo a bit better, and of course no body load to speak of.
But yeah, I had always wondered what the other 4 subs were like. Lucky you! Iprocin also interested me too.
Anyway, glad to see you're a mod here now. I may bug you from time to time if you don't mind.
And yeah, I'm sure you'll enjoy it! I remember a trip a couple months ago where I could not stop laughing/joking/smiling, and that's like the hallmark of psilocin for me. It always has that effect, whether it's the 4 subs or shrooms. For that alone, and the happiness as well as the positivity, it's simply a gem. You'll like it and ride with it just fine.
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Yeah, that's one of the main reasons I would never flush my stuff, it's not like it all just fell into my lap lol. At the very least though, even if I felt sure that I would never use any of it again for some reason, I think I would probably at least slowly distribute them to friends when they were wanting novel psychedelic experiences. That way they would at least be used for something....
I totally get that, as the all or nothing style used to be how I handled psychedelics too. Only lately has it started mellowing out.... Even now when I've only been dosing about once a month I sometimes feel like I'm forcing myself to trip again, but I still never regret it and I think that I wouldn't want to completely cut it out of my life. I'm actually really happy with it being that way right now, I feel like this is probably the healthiest level of psychedelic use I have yet achieved.
My life is nice too, though it could be chiller lol. But I'm not complaining; it definitely was a major player in why I was able to explore so many psychedelics so quickly. And yeah, most of it happened over the last couple years, though I had used 4-AcO-DMT before I actually started seeking them out specifically. You got some good ones in though too, and there's plenty of life left.... That's also why I'd never flush my stuff. You never know when you might have a lot more time to trip again and a strong desire to do so at the same time.... No reason to get rid of everything now when you might want it later! (Well, unless you're like paranoid of being busted with it or something I suppose.... That whole thing.) I really would love to hear about that combination though, if you do decide to do it one day I bet you'll be happy you saved them and waited for the right time.
That sounds awful about the mushrooms, though. :S And now that actually makes me really worried.... I've never gotten any stomach problems from eating mushrooms before, but I also haven't eaten them in... at least three or four years? And in that time I have started getting GI issues from many other things.... I've actually had five grams stashed away to eat at some point in the future when it feels right, but now I'm really paranoid that that will happen if I do, and I'll be tripping my head off at the same time. Maybe it'll be better if I make a tea from them....
It's cool that you found your replacement in 4-HO-MiPT though. That's another one of the reasons I love all the individual differences too.... I think it's neat that everyone is able to find their individual perfect medicines if they do the research and look in the right places. Personally, as I believe I've said, I actually get a consistently decently heavy body load from 4-HO-MiPT, compared to most other 4-substituted tryptamines. I even had a mostly cleaner body feeling with 5-MeO-MiPT, surprisingly. Despite that though, I do still find it very euphoric most of the time.... Even with that particularly heavy 50 mg trip I had, I did also get bursts of laughter every now and then, and sometimes even moaning. I also get that on 4-HO-MPT, whereas on 4-HO-MET and mushrooms I have only gotten the laughter so far, and I honestly don't think I can say that it has played a significant role in any of my experiences with tryptamines lacking N-methyl groups... though I have seen someone laugh so hard on 4-HO-DET that they started losing control of their bodily functions.
Yes, I don't mean to entice you further, but 4-substituted tryptamines really are a special group of psychedelics.
I feel very lucky to have sampled all of them that I have. There's not one I don't think I would take again without hesitation if the mood struck and it was my best option, which is not something I'm sure I would say about other groups of tryptamines within the same subfamilies yet despite having used an even fewer number of them (e.g., DALT was way too mild for the hassle of taking it, and bufotenin/5-HO-DMT gave me the harshest body load I've ever had from a psychedelic).
With regards to 4-HO-DiPT, I think you would probably get a kick out of it. Understandably with its structure, something about it I do find to be more similar to 4-HO-MiPT than any of the others, but there are some pretty significant differences too. An easily noticeable but hard to describe one is that there is just a similar "feeling" to the specific type of psychedelic dissociation and thought trains produced therein caused by the isopropyls just like there is with the methyls, ethyls, and propyls, but beyond that I think I would say that the primary similarity for me is that 4-HO-DiPT seems to be subjected to the same activity-reducing effects that 4-HO-MiPT has relative to other N-methyltryptamines but within the symmetrical tail tryptamine group instead; that is to say, those qualities I find strongly in psilocin, 4-HO-MET, and 4-HO-MPT and weakly in 4-HO-DET and 4-HO-DPT I have yet to find really at all or at least more than slightly in either 4-HO-MiPT or 4-HO-DiPT. However, it doesn't work the other way around, as I find 4-HO-DiPT to be just as potent as any of the other symmetrical tail tryptamines in producing the specific effect I notice within them, if not even the most potent at it. The end result is that I find it to still be more similar to mushrooms in some ways than 4-HO-MiPT is for me, but the thing about 4-HO-DiPT is that it also has a drastic reduction in colorful geometric visuals in relation to these visionary effects and its headspace, so this makes it seem less like most of the other tryptamines for me in that way and more comparable to lower doses of 4-HO-DPT and 4-AcO-DALT, but even less visual. But, 4-HO-MiPT is also not very visual with eyes open for me around 30 mg but became practically blinding at 50 mg, so perhaps a similar relationship will follow here. Likewise, 4-HO-DPT and 4-AcO-DALT also seem to have more visual potential in higher doses for me, but I have not quite experimented enough with them yet to really get anything too heavy.
Actually, all of this talk is really making me want to explore more deeply with it.... I think I might do it as my next 50 mg 4-substituted tryptamine trip.
And definitely, drop me a line whenever you'd like, from one mod to another. :D And thanks! I'm enjoying being on board.
I totally get that, as the all or nothing style used to be how I handled psychedelics too. Only lately has it started mellowing out.... Even now when I've only been dosing about once a month I sometimes feel like I'm forcing myself to trip again, but I still never regret it and I think that I wouldn't want to completely cut it out of my life. I'm actually really happy with it being that way right now, I feel like this is probably the healthiest level of psychedelic use I have yet achieved.
My life is nice too, though it could be chiller lol. But I'm not complaining; it definitely was a major player in why I was able to explore so many psychedelics so quickly. And yeah, most of it happened over the last couple years, though I had used 4-AcO-DMT before I actually started seeking them out specifically. You got some good ones in though too, and there's plenty of life left.... That's also why I'd never flush my stuff.
You never know when you might have a lot more time to trip again and a strong desire to do so at the same time.... No reason to get rid of everything now when you might want it later! (Well, unless you're like paranoid of being busted with it or something I suppose.... That whole thing.) I really would love to hear about that combination though, if you do decide to do it one day I bet you'll be happy you saved them and waited for the right time. That sounds awful about the mushrooms, though. :S And now that actually makes me really worried.... I've never gotten any stomach problems from eating mushrooms before, but I also haven't eaten them in... at least three or four years? And in that time I have started getting GI issues from many other things.... I've actually had five grams stashed away to eat at some point in the future when it feels right, but now I'm really paranoid that that will happen if I do, and I'll be tripping my head off at the same time. Maybe it'll be better if I make a tea from them....
It's cool that you found your replacement in 4-HO-MiPT though.
That's another one of the reasons I love all the individual differences too.... I think it's neat that everyone is able to find their individual perfect medicines if they do the research and look in the right places. Personally, as I believe I've said, I actually get a consistently decently heavy body load from 4-HO-MiPT, compared to most other 4-substituted tryptamines. I even had a mostly cleaner body feeling with 5-MeO-MiPT, surprisingly. Despite that though, I do still find it very euphoric most of the time.... Even with that particularly heavy 50 mg trip I had, I did also get bursts of laughter every now and then, and sometimes even moaning. I also get that on 4-HO-MPT, whereas on 4-HO-MET and mushrooms I have only gotten the laughter so far, and I honestly don't think I can say that it has played a significant role in any of my experiences with tryptamines lacking N-methyl groups... though I have seen someone laugh so hard on 4-HO-DET that they started losing control of their bodily functions.Yes, I don't mean to entice you further, but 4-substituted tryptamines really are a special group of psychedelics.
I feel very lucky to have sampled all of them that I have. There's not one I don't think I would take again without hesitation if the mood struck and it was my best option, which is not something I'm sure I would say about other groups of tryptamines within the same subfamilies yet despite having used an even fewer number of them (e.g., DALT was way too mild for the hassle of taking it, and bufotenin/5-HO-DMT gave me the harshest body load I've ever had from a psychedelic).With regards to 4-HO-DiPT, I think you would probably get a kick out of it. Understandably with its structure, something about it I do find to be more similar to 4-HO-MiPT than any of the others, but there are some pretty significant differences too. An easily noticeable but hard to describe one is that there is just a similar "feeling" to the specific type of psychedelic dissociation and thought trains produced therein caused by the isopropyls just like there is with the methyls, ethyls, and propyls, but beyond that I think I would say that the primary similarity for me is that 4-HO-DiPT seems to be subjected to the same activity-reducing effects that 4-HO-MiPT has relative to other N-methyltryptamines but within the symmetrical tail tryptamine group instead; that is to say, those qualities I find strongly in psilocin, 4-HO-MET, and 4-HO-MPT and weakly in 4-HO-DET and 4-HO-DPT I have yet to find really at all or at least more than slightly in either 4-HO-MiPT or 4-HO-DiPT. However, it doesn't work the other way around, as I find 4-HO-DiPT to be just as potent as any of the other symmetrical tail tryptamines in producing the specific effect I notice within them, if not even the most potent at it. The end result is that I find it to still be more similar to mushrooms in some ways than 4-HO-MiPT is for me, but the thing about 4-HO-DiPT is that it also has a drastic reduction in colorful geometric visuals in relation to these visionary effects and its headspace, so this makes it seem less like most of the other tryptamines for me in that way and more comparable to lower doses of 4-HO-DPT and 4-AcO-DALT, but even less visual. But, 4-HO-MiPT is also not very visual with eyes open for me around 30 mg but became practically blinding at 50 mg, so perhaps a similar relationship will follow here.
Likewise, 4-HO-DPT and 4-AcO-DALT also seem to have more visual potential in higher doses for me, but I have not quite experimented enough with them yet to really get anything too heavy.Actually, all of this talk is really making me want to explore more deeply with it.... I think I might do it as my next 50 mg 4-substituted tryptamine trip.
And definitely, drop me a line whenever you'd like, from one mod to another. :D And thanks! I'm enjoying being on board.
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anyone know if this is okay with 50 mgs doxycycline a day?
Kaleida-Apologies, but replying back to you properly takes some time. There's a lot to digest, heh.
Haha, yeah, I did give away my 5 mapb when I had it, and miprocin too, but everything else I actually got from my friends. So they don't want them since they can get them and also more stuff than I can give. =T I haven't seen them for about 6 months, and it's only because they're going to pressure me to trip with them, so yeah. (They're like boooo because I quit, lmao). Are you implying you want my stuff? Haha, jk.
That's good. If you have the time and leeway, might as well. That's always fun.
Oh lol, no worries, I'm not very paranoid about much. I'm actually a bit too carefree sometimes that it annoys me. However, I don't have That much stuff, so if worst comes to worst, they can all be flushed in one go easily.
Indeed. I had taken shrooms a maximum of 10 times before my last time, and that was the only time that happened. I'm positive the shrooms were bad though; moldy, old or whatever--I have no idea. But it didn't just hurt that day, but the day after too. It felt like my stomach was between a vice and getting crushed. It took me about 2-3 days to feel well again. So, as one can imagine, I didn't eat another shroom again even though I loved its effects.
I see. Yes, that's why at the time miprocin was a Godsend to me. I had missed that tryptamine-shroom-like experience since it had been many years. It is great that people have their own personal favorites and what not, and it only makes sense because we're all different, and the fact that there's a huge variety of substances to choose from.
Yup, these psilocin analogues are special. I couldn't find even half of the stuff you tried, and the ones I did see, I didn't get and they subsequently disappeared afterwards. Metocin was nice, but I felt like miprocin is better and had more to offer. Iprocin seemed like a gem too, especially because I've never experienced tremors off of anything, so I feel like I would've gotten the best out of that one too. I wanted to see how the headspace was, and to try a 4-sub that isn't really known for its visuals. But yeah, it's cool that you had the pleasure of partaking on all of those. 4-ho-mpt seems interesting as well!
Okay, good luck with your trip! 50mg is a strong dose, yet considering your experience, it should be a piece of cake since all that's needed is to simply relax and be comfortable. Miprocin will then take you away, lol.
Yeah, I kind of do need to talk to you outside of this thread, (not anything that important) so I'll drop you a line some time soon. And no problem! However, as you saw, it was all you in the end. I just nodded in agreement metaphorically, heh.
Haha, yeah, I did give away my 5 mapb when I had it, and miprocin too, but everything else I actually got from my friends. So they don't want them since they can get them and also more stuff than I can give. =T I haven't seen them for about 6 months, and it's only because they're going to pressure me to trip with them, so yeah. (They're like boooo because I quit, lmao). Are you implying you want my stuff? Haha, jk.
That's good. If you have the time and leeway, might as well. That's always fun.
Oh lol, no worries, I'm not very paranoid about much. I'm actually a bit too carefree sometimes that it annoys me. However, I don't have That much stuff, so if worst comes to worst, they can all be flushed in one go easily.
Indeed. I had taken shrooms a maximum of 10 times before my last time, and that was the only time that happened. I'm positive the shrooms were bad though; moldy, old or whatever--I have no idea. But it didn't just hurt that day, but the day after too. It felt like my stomach was between a vice and getting crushed. It took me about 2-3 days to feel well again. So, as one can imagine, I didn't eat another shroom again even though I loved its effects.
I see. Yes, that's why at the time miprocin was a Godsend to me. I had missed that tryptamine-shroom-like experience since it had been many years. It is great that people have their own personal favorites and what not, and it only makes sense because we're all different, and the fact that there's a huge variety of substances to choose from.
Yup, these psilocin analogues are special. I couldn't find even half of the stuff you tried, and the ones I did see, I didn't get and they subsequently disappeared afterwards. Metocin was nice, but I felt like miprocin is better and had more to offer. Iprocin seemed like a gem too, especially because I've never experienced tremors off of anything, so I feel like I would've gotten the best out of that one too. I wanted to see how the headspace was, and to try a 4-sub that isn't really known for its visuals. But yeah, it's cool that you had the pleasure of partaking on all of those. 4-ho-mpt seems interesting as well!
Okay, good luck with your trip! 50mg is a strong dose, yet considering your experience, it should be a piece of cake since all that's needed is to simply relax and be comfortable. Miprocin will then take you away, lol.
Yeah, I kind of do need to talk to you outside of this thread, (not anything that important) so I'll drop you a line some time soon. And no problem! However, as you saw, it was all you in the end. I just nodded in agreement metaphorically, heh.
Innerpeace-I had a look, but I couldn't find that specific info. Hopefully someone else can offer a better response?
What I will say is that it isn't worth the risk, from potentially dangerous interactions to reducing the effectiveness of either/or. It's probably a good idea to just wait until you are over it.
What I will say is that it isn't worth the risk, from potentially dangerous interactions to reducing the effectiveness of either/or. It's probably a good idea to just wait until you are over it.
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Innerpeace-I had a look, but I couldn't find that specific info. Hopefully someone else can offer a better response?
What I will say is that it isn't worth the risk, from potentially dangerous interactions to reducing the effectiveness of either/or. It's probably a good idea to just wait until you are over it.
or just take off for a while and let it clear system before sing anything. dentist wants something like to be on it long term,low dose. I was asking the same question last year when i did 5-mabp heh
Ah, I see. Did you end up taking the 5 mapb while on that medication, and if so, was everything okay?
Not that it'd apply to 4-ho-mipt, but yeah, your idea is fine.