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EADD Benzo Discussion v. Finally remembered to start a new thread.

Id even be careful at 3 times a week. Everyone is different but for me when ive been benzo free for months it only takes about 3 times in a week for me to get rebound anxiety and minor withdrawals.
 
THECATINTHEHAT said:
I find etizolam to have little to zero effect with even a small benzo tolerance. I was maintaining on ~20mg diazepam daily and ate up to 80mg etizolam at a time (in an evening) and it didn't touch the sides.
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that definitely must have been a dud batch, if they'd had active ingredients you'd have been blacked out for atleast 30 hours i would guess, at the very least. Someone said its impossible to o/d on benzos alone, i dunno how true that is, but if they'd been active you might have been heading for o/d territory. I had a similar thing off about 20 supposed 6mg meclonazepam pills, i felt zilch off them, although it was even more difficult than usual to get out of bed the next day. :\

I wont be buying any more meclonz from the vendor who sold those to me, i even complained to the vendor and not a word of customer service type reply. I wont ever use them for anything ever again as a matter of principle.:! Unlike some other vendors who fall over backwards to offer great customer service, those cunts did not give a flying fuck.
 
i quite liked meclon. To me it felt like a more beefed up pyrazolam which im a fan of and the lower potency might make it useful for tapering but obviously RC benzos arent ideal to taper if you can get legit diaz.

I dont know weather to continue tapering with my diclaz solution and save my diazepam or to move onto the diaz and save the diclaz so the end of the taper.
 
I'm now bk on 25mg Diazepam but after doc screwing up giving me 24mg a day of clonazepam my benzo tolerance is still fecked could take 56 5mg Diaz n not feel it would diclaz help me get bk to benzos actually working? Long time no see mdb! I used to be a jolly guy now I'm like humpty dumpy after he fell off the wall ! ;-)
 
.....so your saying 280mg of valium wont touch the sides and yet yer doc is only giving you 25mg? - how does that work out for you?, seriously.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
that definitely must have been a dud batch, if they'd had active ingredients you'd have been blacked out for atleast 30 hours i would guess, at the very least.
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Nope, tried and tested by other people. Benzo tolerance can just have strange effects.
 
Do any of the testing kits test for Diaz? Got loose yellow msj's and want to check if they're ok.
 
flashbak1 said:
Do any of the testing kits test for Diaz? Got loose yellow msj's and want to check if they're ok.
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I know that the MSJ'S that i've seen tested on Wedinos all showed up as diazepam i believe. Also i've not bought any MSJ's for a while but i never had a problem with them at all. Both the blues and yellows did what it says on the tin. Much better than the Zepose that were floating about
 
Good to know.

Would still like to see if I can double check them via Marquis, Mecke etc though.
 
What's a 'normal' dose to knock off the effects (stop the chacks once its run out, go to sleep) of a stim binge? TIAYW/YMMV I'm guessing but maybe 2 10mg to get the job done? (roche vallies)
 
When I had no tolerance 10mg of generic diazepam was always more than enough to kill the hangover from a weekends dancing, so Id say 20 is plently if you dont use them much. As you said, wait untill the stimulant/s has/have more or less run its/their course to get the full spectrum of effects from the diazepam
 
20mg Diazepam will do the job, if taken in the evening I'd still be fucked the next day, like slurring my words without realising.
 
THECATINTHEHAT said:
Benzo tolerance can just have strange effects.
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You're not wrong there. Maybe it's because etiz is a thieno thingy, and even if it said to be cross tolerant with more conventional benzos i think it's very fortunate that one can blow out ones etiz tolerance completely (i think i've done the same) and still be able to get the full effects from other conventional benzos. If that was not the case i really dont know what would have become of me, either sectioned or topped myself i would guess, as in one pm i stated that i was taking 50mg of etiz dayly. I dont even remember writing or sending that pm but as i very rarely lie on here (i dont see the point) i have to take my own word for it. I was definitely dosing 35mg a day for quite a long period, i do remember that, i had started keeping a dosage diary by then.

I was also taking unmeasured amounts of phenazepam for about 3 months, just sipping from the 3:1 pg mix all day, as if it were a fine Malt or something. I know that that is appalling HR, and i consider myself very lucky for many reasons, mainly that that period did not blow out my tolerance to all benzos and also all the other things that could have happened due to impaired judgement during that time didnt. The closes scrape i had was almost getting into a fight with some real hard nut over queue jumping. I guess he didnt floor me because im a complete lightweight and dont even know how to fight or throw a punch properly, and would have been beneath his dignity (i guess)

In taper news, stimulants are causing some problems, if i take any stim of an evening i need more benzos to get to sleep, i also sleep for far longer; not waking until 1pm for example. I need to keep to a regular sleep pattern and not to increase my benzo dose ever, even if it is only about once or twice a week on average. Shit is getting serious, it's looking like im gonna have to cut out evening/all night stim binges in order to progress more quickly with my benzo taper. At this rate i wont be able to take anything. 8(
 
mydrugbuddy said:
I wont be buying any more meclonz from the vendor who sold those to me, i even complained to the vendor and not a word of customer service type reply. I wont ever use them for anything ever again as a matter of principle.:! Unlike some other vendors who fall over backwards to offer great customer service, those cunts did not give a flying fuck.
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I know that vendor. No answer, like ever from them. SNIP
 
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snip plenty of benzo fury on my part though. I cant believe that my tolerance to mecolanazepam has been shot after 3 orders. If the vendor in question has a twitter page im gonna kick up a fuss about this. Apparently this is one of the most effective ways to get results out of companies you are otherwise completely powerless to get what you have paid for in those cases where they aren't playing by the rules. They obviously wont like someone kicking up a fuss about how shit their products are and perhaps even worse their customer service relations are completely non existent. There's also SOS if that's still running and updated and a few sites where vendors can be openly discussed. I was hardly a big spender at that particular vendor so my own personal boycott of them will mean FA to them. But creating lots of bad publicity might.
 
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THECATINTHEHAT said:
I'm not seeking to patronise just to reinforce the view that to believe so strongly you know what is in untested street benzos is foolhardy and dangerous. Their are many benzos with similar actions among the vast proliferation available, and even as someone who has consumed rather a lot in their life the instances of which I would say with any degree of certainty what they contained just from sampling them are extremely limited and even then only because I was consuming lots of the same benzo scripted from uk pharmacies at the same time.

With regards to the quantity, of course it is a large amount. In the grand scheme of things it's not that much though if you are selling them, I probably only sampled a small portion of that number. Compared to other instances where I had thousands and thousands passing through my hands and body it is a pretty small sample size to be forming any strong opinion on the contents.

No need to take things personally, I just felt it was naive to talk in absolute terms about the contents of street drugs in the way you were. Thefact is you don't know what all those apills touted as alprazolam contained, and removing that attitude is kind of a basic tenet of what this site is trying to achieve. Once again, it's not personal.
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I don't mean to bang on about this, but I could tell that you were aching to give me a bit of grief, and it's a bit of an unfortunate bluelight cliché that people are often so eager to do so. Yes we are trying to reduce harm, but there just really is no need to be a bit, you know... arsey about it.

If it's so foolhardy and dangerous for me to believe that I can claim to roughly gauge the dose and substance, then what does that say about you selling them? Is it okay for you to have previously sold mysterious benzos of unknown doses, but not okay for me to claim that I can roughly gauge the dose, and alprazolam presence, of a purported aprazolam tablet?

Alprazolam gives me a very specific a-typical reaction unlike any other benzo I've ever taken; it has somewhat of a stimulating effect on me. Many a time I've taken one to fall asleep and instead ended up doing all the things in my life that I've inevitably been avoiding; mincing around the house cleaning it up, calling the bank, sorting my bills, going shopping and having amongst the most active and motivated days of my life. This is not the case with anybody else that I know; it just sends them to sleep. Alprazolam has a weird relationship with my brain, and I recognise it unequivocally. It should be noted that I've also tried prescription alprazolam tablets which a friend brought back from a visit to a GP in a European country. I've tried at least ten different varieties of alprazolam tablets and only once were they completely unlike the way alprazolam is for me every single time I take it; and they were packaged in a similar blister pack to the one I posted, hence me making the post.

Again, I am no longer requesting that you make any guesses as to what was in those tablets. But the idea that I can't speculate as to the presence/rough dose of a benzodiazepine which I am very familiar with is just ridiculous. Would you call some one out for claiming that they could state with relative certainty the presence of MDMA in a pill, and whether or not they were roughly 100~ or 200~ mg? Given that they'd tried many of the analogues and had consumed hundreds of pills over the course of their life time?

I really don't think I'm being so completely ridiculous by making this claim. The basic tenet of what this site is trying to achieve has been constructed largely on assumption and speculations. We have not spent the past god knows how many years of bluelight with access to GCMS testing for all the various different pills/tablets/powders that we have been consuming/discussing. We have assumed and speculated to the best of our ability; often with a keen eye to safety.

I appreciate that you say it's nothing personal. Neither is this. But I disagree that I'm being naive, let alone reckless.

But we'll leave it at that. x
 
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MUSHET said:
20mg Diazepam will do the job, if taken in the evening I'd still be fucked the next day, like slurring my words without realising.
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2 worked a treat. Think I proper stopped drinking a good few hours prior. Had my line hoofter about an hour before and had a can of Stella around the same time I took the blues.

Before I knew it it was this morning. No chacks. No wasted stims.
 
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