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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy DOC Thread - Third opinion

This shit is no joke, is serious thing, when your realize that you are tripping, be prepared to SAMSARA

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lamanogaucha said:
Oh, man... That's a real shame. Methamphetamine is such an awful drug... Ugh.
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It really isn't though. It's just like anything else, when you take to much or combine, the danger always increases. It just so happens this one is highly compulsive and it has the side effect of keeping you up. Oral meth is actually a good functional stimulant with little side effects. Take that from someone who abhors stimulants.... Just blame the stupid WODs and the problems it causes....
 
Help?!?! said:
It really isn't though. It's just like anything else, when you take to much or combine, the danger always increases. It just so happens this one is highly compulsive and it has the side effect of keeping you up. Oral meth is actually a good functional stimulant with little side effects. Take that from someone who abhors stimulants.... Just blame the stupid WODs and the problems it causes....
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I generally agree with this. I find oral methamphetamine very similar to vyvanse.

That being said... We have to accept that, regardless of whether we blame the dose or ROA, meth has very negative consequences for a very significant percentage of it's users. I wouldn't call the drug evil, but as an epidemiological phenomenon it's about as evil as it gets.
 
whynaught said:
I definitely can't wait to get my hands on some 2,5-dimethoxy-4-chloroamphetamine. I have schizophrenia and have been doing a lot of meth to get all tripped out so I can't wait to smoke or snort a psychedelic amphetamine.
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whynaught said:
What's vaporizing 2,5-dimethoxy-4-chloroamphetamine like?
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DOX and stimulants have much different effects. Chemicals with similar structures often have significantly different effects. DOX chemicals lack the same safety profile as other psychedelics. DOC is an abnormally dangerous psychedelic with similar binding and side effects as 25I-NBOMe. This drug requires extra caution and other psychedelics such as DMT are safer. If you combine anti-psychotics with DOC this could increase the risk of complications.
 
Okay now I don't know if this guy is just eccentric or trolling. You've already admitted to having an obsession, obsessions skewer common sense....I just don't even....

I respect what you do but to make such a bold claim with no backing?!? Should just run around telling people all cars are killers because they can but that one rusty old car with three wheels...oh wait...
 
SteamboatBillJr said:
DOX and stimulants have much different effects. Chemicals with similar structures often have significantly different effects. DOX chemicals lack the same safety profile as other psychedelics. DOC is an abnormally dangerous psychedelic with similar binding and side effects as 25I-NBOMe. This drug requires extra caution and other psychedelics such as DMT are safer. If you combine anti-psychotics with DOC this could increase the risk of complications.
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DOXes are perfectly safe. STOP TROLLING.
 
Any and all compounds completely foreign to our bodies are going to be inherently dangerous if used incorrectly....but there's no need to go spouting that in every single compound thread, is there?

As Help?!?! said - you've got the right intentions, but perhaps it isn't so necessary to preach how unsafe something is over and over.
 
Many people denying the evidence on the safety of DOX chemicals. Miss-information is how 25I-NBOMe became popular, continues resulting in fatalities, and sullies the name of psychedelics. We should avoid letting this happen again with DOC. The 25I-NBOMe fiasco fueled the drug wars and benefited the prohibitionist policies of the government.

Nexus_Tripper,
Most DOX chemicals aren't safe in comparison with traditional psychedelics. I attempted discussing this with you and requested evidence supporting your claims. I provided strong evidence supporting my claims. I didn't receive any response from you. I am speaking of this here.
 
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Man... it's very persuasive, and because I err on the side of caution especially when a warning is phrased quite like that, that I am compelled to abstain. Regardless if it's exaggeration.

I wonder if I haven't been extremely blessed to have walked away from a multiple month binge of 25i-NBOH and still be healthy?
 
SteamboatBillJr said:
Many people denying the evidence on the safety of DOX chemicals. Miss-information is how 25I-NBOMe became popular, continues resulting in fatalities, and sullies the name of psychedelics. We should avoid letting this happen again with DOC. The 25I-NBOMe fiasco fueled the drug wars and benefited the prohibitionist policies of the government.
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SteamboatBillJr said:


Nexus_Tripper,
Most DOX chemicals aren't safe in comparison with traditional psychedelics. I attempted discussing this with you and requested evidence supporting your claims. I provided strong evidence supporting my claims. I didn't receive any response from you. I am speaking of this here.
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Bomamines have killed people at normal doses. The only DOx chemicals that have caused fatalities are the Halo-DOxes (DOC, DOB, DOI) and these fatalities have occurred at over TWENTY times a normal dose. Bomamines kill people randomly. Some DOxes (and not even all DOxes; alkyl DOxes have no deaths that I am aware of) only become dangerous to idiots. I bet you if someone took twenty grams or more of mescalin they would have very serious, possibly deadly complications. Halo-DOxes are as safe as mescalin. Alkyl DOxes are even safer. I've take massive doses of DOM and DOEt before (100mg+) and had no problems. There were tablets of DOM in the 60s that had 20mg EACH. Some people would take 3+ tabs and even then they had no physical issues.
 
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Nexus_Tripper said:

Bomamines have killed people at normal doses. The only DOx chemicals that have caused fatalities are the Halo-DOxes (DOC, DOB, DOI) and these fatalities have occurred at over TWENTY times a normal dose. Bomamines kill people randomly. Some DOxes (and not even all DOxes; alkyl DOxes have no deaths that I am aware of) only become dangerous to idiots. I bet you if someone took twenty grams or more of mescalin they would have very serious, possibly deadly complications. Halo-DOxes are as safe as mescalin. Alkyl DOxes are even safer. I've take massive doses of DOM and DOEt before (100mg+) and had no problems. There were tablets of DOM in the 60s that had 20mg EACH. Some people would take 3+ tabs and even then they had no physical issues.
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While I can't support nor refute your claims here regarding the safety of DOx being comparable to mescaline etc, I thought DOM was also responsible for ODs (I'm likely mistaken).

Also, aside from your post still lacking sources, this is the type of discussion/attitude we like ;)
 
^It's certainly responsible for some publicized hospital visits back in the late 60s which were blamed upon LSD initially. Poor LSD, always under attack by PEAs. :(

Regarding the safety of DOC, there are certainly reports of people taking 30+mg and surviving just fine... but then again, there are more reports of people taking such amounts of DOx chemicals and losing limbs to gangrene. High doses of DOC have been reported as painful and frightening, and while I can't find the report I read about someone losing limbs due to a DOx drug, there are plenty of reports noting that 10+mg doses of these drugs are not a good idea...

i.e.
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=67058
 
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240sxLover said:
^It's certainly responsible for some publicized hospital visits back in the late 60s which were blamed upon LSD initially. Poor LSD, always under attack by PEAs. :(

Regarding the safety of DOC, there are certainly reports of people taking 30+mg and surviving just fine... but then again, there are more reports of people taking such amounts of DOx chemicals and losing limbs to gangrene. High doses of DOC have been reported as painful and frightening, and while I can't find the report I read about someone losing limbs due to a DOx drug, there are plenty of reports noting that 10+mg doses of these drugs are not a good idea...

i.e.
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=67058
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The hospital visits from DOM were due to people tripping too hard and loosing their shit. Nobody was in physical danger.
 
This obsession over the danger of DOC does seem a bit unwarranted. DOM's safety profile has stood the test of time - people back in the 60's dropping 20+ mg survived. Even on BL I've seen reports of 20+ mg going smoothly and now Nexus-Tripper's rather ridiculous 100+ mg dose (that one is up for debate). Even NBOME's, while I shy away from them personally, don't seem as dangerous as we perceive them in America. Back when they first came out the vendors were dosing them at 3 mg a blotter sometimes. There have been at least 11 US fatalities from 25I, but this is probably due in large part to them being passed off as LSD or variability in the laying of blotter. Far fewer 25I complications have been reported in the EU.

Seems like your zealousness for harm-reduction could do more good elsewhere; MDPV, fentanyl analogues, and synthetic noids to name a few, seem much more dangerous to the general population - physically and psychologically. Even something like 2C-T-7 seems like a much more risky proposition than a standard dose of DOC.
 
This thread seems a bit derailed.

DOC is fairly safe at low to moderate doses. Vasoconstriction seems to be a side effect of this drug. If you are particularly sensitive to this side effect, this drug is not for you.

If you want to be a hero and dose up really big, this is not the best drug of choice. Eat some LSD or shrooms that have a more researched safety profile and not such a terrifying duration.

In my opinion this drug shines in the lower doses where physical opportunities present themselves. Or when one is seeking connectivity with their surrounds, or states of all.

2.5mg-4mg is all I need to get where I want to go depending on the circumstance.

DOC sits in my medicine cabinet for those days where I want to get something done. If I feel my lawn needs to be mowed in crop circles, DOC is my first choice. As I have a very big lawn.

I think the profoundness in DOC, lies in it's connectivity. Might be just me set and setting influencing that, but I've found that aspect prioritized in many of my DOC trips. Almost a scattered connectivity. And I've also had 'all' states, everything possible all at once. To me that is the hallmark of DOC. It can be interesting, despite it's practicality of motivating you to do something. Nature seems to be the best setting, as it will make the subtle come alive with focus and importance. Show you the details of your environment that you miss everyday and how they relate to you. Sitting at home with any long drug I think becomes a drag. Environmental tolerance is a bitch. A never changing and unpredictable environment, or better yet a variety of them, seems to work best for a long haul. If you are stuck at home because you had way too much, and leaving bed is a struggle, then I think there are shorter, more sedative tryptamines that suits that level of being stoned better.

Each to their own though. I'm curious what a high dose of DOC is like, but I think I'd be just too damn fidgety to lie for 8+ hours to enjoy it. Fuck off entity! The lawn needs to be mowed!
 
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