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Gibberings episode 0x000000c6(?) -- No in outs or butts about it. Anal fissure!
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Eveleivibe
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Because something that gives comedowns, admitted by people here (before people start with the 'you've no experience so no right to a say'), anxiety n paranoia, admitted by others here, would not benefit people with mental ill-health.
Some people here come across as extremely arrogant n think they know more than professionals. Then why are they not a professional instead of slagging them off here. It really irks me.
Of course it was to do with public harm.
Evey
F.U.B.A.R.
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Well surely, experience is a major factor in formulating opinion? We can read as many scientific studies as we wish but if they conflict with our own direct experience, it's hard beyond reason to move away from the subjective...
I knew you'd come round.
Oy! Quoted out of context...
Evey, evidence abounds for the use of MDMA as a therapeutic agent, http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/dec/27/mdma-ecstasy-post-traumatic-stress-disorder
it is the law and stigmatism of the drug that prevents its more widespread use. When it turned into a party drug and became huge the world over, that is when it was controlled and research into it came to a halt for a while.
it is the law and stigmatism of the drug that prevents its more widespread use. When it turned into a party drug and became huge the world over, that is when it was controlled and research into it came to a halt for a while.
StoneHappyMonday
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Politics Evey.
You may as well ask 'why have my disability benefits been cut?'.
Because those who rule are assholes. The world is not ruled for yours or my benefit. It's ruled so the ruling class can stay...ruling. And if that means cutting your benefits, to find a scapegoat (you), or stopping legitimate research into therapeutic drug use, to find a scapegoat (drugs) so be it.
Eveleivibe
Ex-Bluelighter
We'll agree to disagree.
Evey
Evey
warriorOnTheEdge
Bluelighter
Eve, ever thought it was the professionals that were using it in therapy and the civil servants who know nothing about any form of mental health or psychotropic substance who banned its use? Can you never see anything other than a rigid viewpoint?
Knock yourself out kid, use that degree eh..
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mdma+therapy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=LK6iVcGZLMqV7Abc74G4Cg
Aye, it doesn't look great when the same thing you're using to help people with mental health difficulties is being necked by the 100s of mg by people wanting to get off their tits and people start getting on their moral and political high horse. MDMA is fairly damn safe when used properly and you've got the legit stuff and the comedown at a therapeutic dose would be negligble if managed properly. Hell, just look at all the people who are fastidious about their 'pre-loading' routines. I think it's ridiculous the extent of it, but there's summat to it no doubt. Look at how medical marijuana is becoming more and more widespread, in a country which into the middle of last century was screaming about the 'demon weed'. Is all context.
Was MDMA therapy ever that widespread, actually? I can't say I've read much about it, never interested me in the same way therapy with psilocybin was looked at
Was MDMA therapy ever that widespread, actually? I can't say I've read much about it, never interested me in the same way therapy with psilocybin was looked at
StoneHappyMonday
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Have a think about this the next time you whinge about your GP putting you on a drug you don't want or cutting a drug you don't want to come off of.
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
warriorOnTheEdge
Bluelighter
Only in the Us I believe, unless Rd Laing fucked about with it, which wouldn't surprise me. It does seem to be making a comeback though, fucking criminal that it wasn't used post Vietnam.
warriorOnTheEdge
Bluelighter
That's the maddening thing, so many substances which could be of benefit to mankind but as the side effect is euphoria its a no no, idiotic.
Yup, few drugs seem to be devoid of side effects but it's the ones that have the good side effects that seem to get magicked away. A slightly related thing that pisses me off: 'SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome'. Call it what it is. It's worse than a fucking speed or MDMA comedown for sure and I've had one doctor tell me that they simply don't have any withdrawals at all.
warriorOnTheEdge
Bluelighter
always swore away from them Snolls, if I want my brain chemistry altered it will be on my terms, but as you say, it seems to happen to most who come off a course, but i've hardly seen it mentioned from a medical point of view.
F.U.B.A.R.
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A euphoric populace is no use to Government - they need to breed greed through discontent, jealousy and addiction to money.
StoneHappyMonday
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It's almost like there's a pattern to this shit for some reason.
Eveleivibe
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if I was to "use my degree" I wouldn't agree with antidessants for obvious reasons; there's no blood tests for depression etcetc
But I'm a hypocrite n take them so......
Evey
But I'm a hypocrite n take them so......
Evey
BecomingJulie
Bluelight Crew
Because people were using it for fun.
Free drugs courtesy of the wonderful old NHS that get you very pleasantly off your box, if you just present the correct symptoms? Really?
Besides which, anything people enjoy must be bad. And anything that happens later can always be blamed on the drug, whether or not it had anything to do with it.
I worked it out all by myself
I dunno, just cause you can't tangibly diagnose depression doesn't mean antidepressants are wrong, especially as it's posited that anxiety, depression etc are/can be caused by chemical imbalances which the drugs can resolve when adminstered after/concurrent with therapy, those funny questionnaires they make you fill out every time you go to the doctor and are like 'i hate my life' etc etc. Pretty much every mental health diagnosis that I've had or heard of is a case of the person making the diagnosis going 'so and so says this this and that therefore...' unless there are glaring outward signs of something serious. Admittedly it needs a more nuanced approach than just chucking drugs at it when it's a mental health issue but I don't see a reason for a lack of concrete diagnosis to be a mark against them, it's more the side effects and withdrawals that give me pause.
