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NPS Act V1. Blankets? Just Say No!

Erm, I appreciate the ban could be perceived as annoying, coz you don't get to experiment with the lovely wide selection of drugs........ but the truth is the blanket ban saves lives of people. These drugs - like many illicit ones - kill and ruin lives of good people with lives ahead of them. I can name one person on this forum who died from legal highs...

And there could have been more *Cough*
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Pagey said:
Just popping in to warn aMT lovers in the UK/anyone ordering from UK websites that myself, mrcientist and a third friend found ourselves in intensive care/the lovely defribrillating room for hours last weekend with serious cardiac issues and unending seizures etc. after taking aMT purchased from a UK vendor which we previously considered reputable
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Pagey said:
OH.
MY.
GOD.

I just got my dream job. At 20. Don't really wanna say what the company is on BL but I'm going to be a creative writer writing scripts for Hollywood TV & films.

Fuck.
Me.
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Raasyvibe said:
Erm, I appreciate the ban could be perceived as annoying, coz you don't get to experiment with the lovely wide selection of drugs........ but the truth is the blanket ban saves lives of people. These drugs - like many illicit ones - kill and ruin lives of good people with lives ahead of them. I can name one person on this forum who died from legal highs...

And there could have been more *Cough*
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Thing is dude banning them just pushes them underground or moves people onto harder stuff. If someone wants to get high then they will regardless of legality. I do agree the proven outright dangerous ones should be banned but the only way to win 'the war on drugs' is to regulate and promote hardcore harm reduction.
 
I don't know if all these drugs would make it to an illicit market though. I imagine their popularity is due to their ease of availability. If people are gonna go underground, I'd imagine they'd stick to the more decent drugs. Also, the more prominent they become legally, the greater demand for a black market when they do eventually become criminalised. If they're gonna ban them, I'd imagine it would be best done ASAP.
 
Raasyvibe said:
I don't know if all these drugs would make it to an illicit market though. I imagine their popularity is due to their ease of availability. If people are gonna go underground, I'd imagine they'd stick to the more decent drugs. Also, the more prominent they become legally, the greater demand for a black market when they do eventually become criminalised. If they're gonna ban them, I'd imagine it would be best done ASAP.
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Thing is dude they have no plan of action for the droves of benzo addicted people swarming into a+e and the services, even if they did half the rc's don't show on any test so people would be denied treatment. Regulation of all drugs is the only answer and not to mention the fact that nobody would bother with the shit dangerous stuff if the proper alternatives were there, if they invested in proper school age harm reduction as well I am sure it would put a lot of people off.
 
Raasyvibe said:
Erm, I appreciate the ban could be perceived as annoying, coz you don't get to experiment with the lovely wide selection of drugs........ but the truth is the blanket ban saves lives of people. These drugs - like many illicit ones - kill and ruin lives of good people with lives ahead of them. I can name one person on this forum who died from legal highs...

And there could have been more *Cough*
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How many lives do cars take every year simply from people having fun? Should we ban everything people enjoy?

The fact still remains that drugs, especially the legal ones ( with the exception of alcohol and tobacco) account for a relatively low number of deaths.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
How many lives do cars take every year simply from people having fun? Should we ban everything people enjoy?

The fact still remains that drugs, especially the legal ones ( with the exception of alcohol and tobacco) account for a relatively low number of deaths.
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Yes but cars have a function. They are important and much, much good comes from them in terms of commuting. They allow us to travel, get us to work, make so much in life more accessible... What the fuck good comes from a bunch of legal highs? What makes them more important than peoples lives??
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Freedom of choice.
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Amen. People are allowed to go to the pub to buy dirty drink and cause fights/clog up a+e ect but smoking a peaceful natural herb in your own home is a big no no. Apart from Hardcore smack, crack or phet addiction most people can still be part of the capitalist machine with no problems. Its up to us what we chose to put into our bodies. Proper education, harm reduction and regulation is the answer. We are not free, its an illusion.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Freedom of choice.
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Well a line has to be drawn somewhere. If we were all allowed complete "freedom of choice" we could be racing 100mph on the roads, joining terrorist groups.... at the end of the day you have to accept a lot of people make big mistakes and there needs to be some regulation to protect them. Especially young people. I'm sure those who have had their lives ended from these substances, their friends and families... would have wished for a bit of tighter regulation. And I guess it's those who are in consideration when they ban these substances.

In terms of banning the more dangerous ones, but not others. This has already been tried and failed. The new substances can be developed so easily it's become too difficult to regulate.
 
Raasyvibe said:
Well a line has to be drawn somewhere. If we were all allowed complete "freedom of choice" we could be racing 100mph on the roads, joining terrorist groups.... at the end of the day you have to accept a lot of people make big mistakes and there needs to be some regulation to protect them. Especially young people. I'm sure those who have had their lives ended from these substances, their friends and families... would have wished for a bit of tighter regulation. And I guess it's those who are in consideration when they ban these substances.

In terms of banning the more dangerous ones, but not others. This has already been tried and failed. The new substances can be developed so easily it's become too difficult to regulate.
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Without putting words into Fubars mouth I think he was meaning freedom of choice to do what ever we may choose with our own bodies. If your actions have no negative effect on other people and you are aware of the dangerous yourself then there is no reason to have a suit with no concept of true reality telling people what they can and can not do.
 
Exactly 5*, thank you. A quick google search shows that over the last 10 years, approximately 41 people have died in skiing and snowboarding accidents every year. What purpose does sliding down a snowy mountain side on one or two bits of fibreglass serve? Are there calls to ban skiing, snowboarding or any of the extreme sports? Are there fuck...
 
FUBAR said:
Exactly 5*, thank you. A quick google search shows that over the last 10 years, approximately 41 people have died in skiing and snowboarding accidents every year. What purpose does sliding down a snowy mountain side on one or two bits of fibreglass serve? Are there calls to ban skiing, snowboarding or any of the extreme sports? Are there fuck...
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It's a question of outweighing the good and the bad. Some people love the outdoors, mountains and ski-ing in a very different way than someone likes getting mashed on 3'flourophemetrazine, or whatever the hell you do.

On this very forum alone I've read about 1 death from legal highs, 2 near-death hospitalisations, one suicide attempt... and probably much more I don't know about. Seems to me there is considerable reason for the ban, and it's not just the government irritating you. We may have to agree to disagree at this point coz I can't see this one being dragged out any further.
 
on a drug forum you have read about people coming to harm from drugs? What a coincidence.
 
Raasyvibe said:
It's a question of outweighing the good and the bad. Some people love the outdoors, mountains and ski-ing in a very different way than someone likes getting mashed on 3'flourophemetrazine, or whatever the hell you do.

On this very forum alone I've read about 1 death from legal highs, 2 near-death hospitalisations, one suicide attempt... and probably much more I don't know about. Seems to me there is considerable reason for the ban, and it's not just the government irritating you. We may have to agree to disagree at this point coz I can't see this one being dragged out any further.
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That's the point I was making Raas. Why are some people allowed to risk their own lives doing dangerous sports because they enjoy it, but we're not allowed to take psychoactive substances because we enjoy it? Actually, I'll tell you the reason - the former are usually quite rich and part of the establishment, whereas the latter are usually pesky proles who present a perceived threat to the establishment (that's ignoring all the hooray Henrys who shovel coke up their nostrils by the bucket load of course.. )
 
Raasyvibe said:
It's a question of outweighing the good and the bad. Some people love the outdoors, mountains and ski-ing in a very different way than someone likes getting mashed on 3'flourophemetrazine, or whatever the hell you do.

On this very forum alone I've read about 1 death from legal highs, 2 near-death hospitalisations, one suicide attempt... and probably much more I don't know about. Seems to me there is considerable reason for the ban, and it's not just the government irritating you. We may have to agree to disagree at this point coz I can't see this one being dragged out any further.
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You can't seriously think the govenrment is acting out of concern for people's welfare can you? If they were the drugs would already be legal and regulated (following Nutt) and the barrel-scraping chems wouldn't need to be bothered with in the first place. If cannabis was legal, noone would buy 5th generation spice.

Also, not all the drugs developed in the rc boom have been bad imo - mxe 6-apb allad 1plsd are all credits to the drug world (i'd buy all of these whether their originals were legal or not) - if some people abused these substances (or the shit ones) and a handful died it's not the fault of the vast majority who used these things with absolutely no problems (aside from the usual); and they/we shouldn't be deprived of their fun because of these unfortunate rare tragedies - just the same as the average drinker shouldn't be deprived of booze because of the alcoholics, or the snowboarders/paragliders banned etc).

I don't know how you can be sure that a snowboarder's fun is so much more important than someone taking eg 3fpm - who gets to decide this ludic league table? What about coleridge necking opium nitrous oxide and henbane and composing his wacky poetry? More or less vauable than a vigourous walk?
 
they aren't banning legal highs because they necessarily give a fuck, it's just trying to look good to those that don't understand the futility of prohibition and getting their vote.
"FUCK ALL OUR KIDS ARE DYING FROM SPICE OD'S!!! OOH THE TOREYS HAVE BANNED IT, problem solved. god bless st. david camaroon."
and then once they're illegal, they can get about as much media coverage as heroin OD's - none.

that's one angle, anyway. simple posturing.
 
Snowboarding is a healthy pursuit so long as there are no trees in the way. AMT is safe until you start eyeballing because you have a tolerance

It's always freedom of choice, only harming yourselves until you get fucked up and annoy your neighbours. Ask fools gold and mdb how I unobtrusive their neighbours or work colleagues found their stash of legal highs?
 
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