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sober life sucks. tips?

1 thing id recommend all addicts is to start up an exercise program immediately..get those natural endorphins flowing again, its brutal at first but its worth it..

if you are broke, get a dog and take him for walks..very cheap and relaxing..

there is nothing sad about giving up your old druggy friends..what i found shocking is when i get sober, i look around and realize how many people smoke weed or drink beer every night..i separate myself from all of the or try to...lol.

the hardest part is the boredom of sobriety, pushing through the daily grind, wondering what the purpose of it all is etc etc..for each individual, there is a different answer and this is why its difficult to give advice..
 
oh and btw OP, a week or even a month isnt much in terms of getting sober from opiates..congrats on geting that far but i found when kicked methadone, it took me many months just for the intense fog/depression/lethargy to begin to clear and then i started to deal with the ups and downs..i felt like a walking zombie for a long time after opiates..dont expect to feel better overnight..dont watch those Intervention shows and expect that to happen to you where you see a hardcore opiate addict go to rehab, they show him 5-6 days later and he says he has never felt better in his entire life..that is just not believable imo.
 
^^^^porn?? Im sure there is plenty to keep you busy.

But seriously whst are you passionate about in life? You have tried some things which i give you credit for, but you haven't tried everything. Are you still with the girlfriend?

yeah thats a problem, i feel absolutely passionless lately. just trying to keep active and not focus too much on the 'meaninglessness of it all' because if i do i get sad. i hope eventually something inspiring comes along though, and this week particularly i feel optimistic about everything.

im still with the gf yes, one of the things keeping me sane. she's into arts so i immediately tried to dive into that see if it got me inspired (i used to draw a lot as a kid), since i figured it was a very healthy and creative hobby. me and her handcrafted some stuff and are looking forward to sell it in an independent arts fair soon... cause yeah im unemployed. the job hunt does keep me distracted at times though.

thanks for listenin man

This post could have been written by someone that never had a drug problem. These are the feelings of someone that is aching to feel connection on a much deeper level and being mystified as to how to go about it--it really has all the hallmarks of an existential crisis. Have you ever read anything by Gabor Maté? In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts is long and it is about addiction but it is worth reading because he goes much deeper than most do. It might point the way for future explorations. Beyond that how about focusing your reading on Buddhist philosophy for a while--the very practical tenets (living in the now rather than past and future, finding compassion for yourself and others rather than judgment, meditation or clearing the mind) are empowering at the level that you are experiencing pain.<3

no i havent read anything from Gabor. i am familiar with a bit of buddhist philosophy, such as this concept of living in the present (i read about it in the Power of Now) and it does help a whole lot. im always trying to read stuff that might give me a new outlook on things or show me a better way of thinking and living - self-improvement i guess? -. now that you mention buddhism i will certainly research about it, thanks for tips and of course thanks for listening!!
 
I am in the midst of that first serious depression. I relapsed and HARD, so now im trying to get clean again. I am on day 2 after over a week of hard pill abuse, and I am in the middle of that, nothing to do, not sleeping feeling.

It also sucks when you have no money becuase theres not much fun to be had for free…Any suggestions? (yes i walk and ride my bike)

Due to riding my bike, since i quite the pills im cold as hell so its 65 degrees out and im riding a bike like a jerk in a jacket lmao.

The best tips I have are, exercise, tell everyone, I talked to my sister, I cam totally clean with her, I told my friends (some knew my problem some didnt). So when I get the feeling of just crying and letting it all go, its nice to call a friend or my sister and they really help. Just warn them to help you and not yell at you, tell them sometimes to just listen and not say what to do, its easier when they understand and just want to sympathetically help instead of looking at you as a pill head.
 
I am in the midst of that first serious depression. I relapsed and HARD, so now im trying to get clean again. I am on day 2 after over a week of hard pill abuse, and I am in the middle of that, nothing to do, not sleeping feeling.

It also sucks when you have no money becuase theres not much fun to be had for free…Any suggestions? (yes i walk and ride my bike)

You obviously have internet, learn to photoshop or download some games. find something to tinker with. When I was forcing myself to get away from meth, my will was strong because it had affected my family, but the downside is that, they found out from somebody else, and for them im kind of a drug lord ( my family thinks that using is synonymous to drug dealing) So I really had to clean up and suck up to people. Up until now its still not getting better.

But there are tons to take your mind off the cravings, the best is gym, or sweating it, replacing your body fluids everyday...it was good for me. Output man.

and then there was websurfing at night, PORN man, Im not gonna lie, the fastest way to rid yourself off depression ( for that moment).

And what I did during my days off from work, I went trekking. Climbing up hills or going to nature. Packed a few clothes. brought some non perishable food. and a pack of smokes ( that was relaxing for me)

There are tons man, you just find it thats all.


Due to riding my bike, since i quite the pills im cold as hell so its 65 degrees out and im riding a bike like a jerk in a jacket lmao.

The best tips I have are, exercise, tell everyone, I talked to my sister, I cam totally clean with her, I told my friends (some knew my problem some didnt). So when I get the feeling of just crying and letting it all go, its nice to call a friend or my sister and they really help. Just warn them to help you and not yell at you, tell them sometimes to just listen and not say what to do, its easier when they understand and just want to sympathetically help instead of looking at you as a pill head.

Good you have someone to put down some of those heavy baggage man. Carrying the secret makes my mind twitchy to people who talk about drugs. And also for me, carrying all that shame and fear that my family found out and what if other people will found that out about me, man, it really made me depressed.
 
I get the whats the point? Feeling a lot i think so much why the fuck am i doing this? Im still not really sure. Getting sober pretty much means leaving everyone in my life which is scary. Its sad Everytime i even see family the people who u think would be the most supportive are the first to try and relapse me.
 
GO TACOMA!!! haha ive been reading this thread cheering you on. im glad you've been finding AA/NA useful. I avoided it for so long because of the "religious" factor until i realized it really isn't religious. As far as leaving behind everyone in your life... i feel you. I left san diego to move up to a strictly structured recovery home in LA where i stayed for 20 months. I couldnt talk to any old friends or even the girl i was dating (sent a letter to her while i was there to letter know i wasn't coming home after 90 days like i planned) It was rough leaving everything i knew behind and the thought of losing it all scared the shit out of me. I HATED that place at first always telling me what to do... but i guess that is what i needed. i attended AA meetings in LA and i was living with 28 other sober guys around my age (im 22) and we were all trudging it together. I found that the fellowship and the community has helped me more than anything. We all just kick it and talk about our struggles and hear experiences on how to get past them... and most of all we go out and have fun. as for the family part it should get better in time. when i got sober i expected people to respect me or at least be proud of me but they all doubted i would make it and that made me mad... but one of my friends broke it down to me that i had been fucking them over for years and shouldn't just expect them to cheer for me right away. ive got over 2 years sober now and its a fucking trip. my family is totally there for me now. the friends i have now are awesome and i don't even take any of the 10 prescriptions i used to take. you have to give it time and put in work. for once in my life i made a leap of faith and gave it all i got and it was the best thing i ever did. i know there are lots of ways to get sober but this is what worked for me - keep your chin up it will get better
 
Leaving everyone behind is hard, especially the people who were good to you even in your using substances, but were still too closely associated with the drug scene for you to be around them without being too close to problem individuals. I mean I think of my friend Mike, who was always so kind and fun to talk with, but we had always smoked pot together. When I got clean back then the people that often had hung around the same places we did were involved in heavier drug use, so I couldn't really chill with him anymore... sucked a lot. Also, a guy I new that never really did drugs was friends with one of my dealers and he had to be left behind simply because if I ran into that dealer, the prices were so good that I'd be buying in bulk on the spot. I'd say the worst thing for me was destroying my life to the point that I pushed away all my friends who didn't and had never really engaged in recreational substance use, and then got clean and dropped all my drug related acquaintances. I was left alone in the beginning, all the people who knew me for what I was, both good and bad, were no longer part of my life. I had my brother still, and my family, but besides my brother no one really knew me. The good news is that in my first few months of sobriety this time around I began to find myself surrounded with smart, dedicated, and loyal people. Not everyone stayed sober, but those that wanted help after a slip were able to get that help easily. I was going to AA at the time, but even though everyone in my group of friends was in AA, that's not where we met. AA/NA can be really good for people, I don't think it's for me, but especially in Los Angeles where you can find a meeting at anytime 24/7/365, I think that it's a valuable resource not to be underestimated. A year later I still have a lot of the friends I made in those first few months, yeah only myself and one other guy didn't relapse over the past year, but all but one of us is still fighting the good fight. Have fun is important to recovery and even more so having a community that you can have fun with when the time is right is crucial.

I have a psychiatrist who practices psychoanalytic insight based therapies as well as psychodynamic therapies and I find this to be rather helpful at times. I got a dog this past year and she helps keep me responsible and definitely helps with the lingering loneliness that has haunted me in the years since I graduated high school. I live back at home with my parents and that keeps me accountable plus it's nice to have people around, my younger sister is still in high school and she's cool so that helps. I just bought myself an Xbox One, it definitely helps at times, I gave up video games a few years back, but I'm realizing that if used properly they can be an excellent distraction if you need one. I read a lot of random stuffs, from academic journals to bulk fiction to fairly heavy non-fiction in the social sciences. I've torrented more books than I could ever read, but they're organized so I can find almost whatever I'm looking for in my library of 100,000+ books (yes, that's a large number, and yes, there are also some duplicates, but I underestimated to account for potentially 10's of thousands of duplicate that may or may not be in the library). I've been trying to work my way through the IMDB top 100 movies, the IMDB top 30 or so TV series, and the myanimelist top 50 anime TV series. I've always prefer TV as it has more time to develop plot and character depth. I understand the connotations that come with anime, but it can be extraordinarily good and more creative than Western television series. I play racquetball 4 times a week, I try to eat properly as best I can. I take a fuck ton of vitamins, whether this helps or not is unclear, but according to psychiatrist it's important in my case to get folic acid, B complex vitamin, and Vitamin D supplements. Music can be helpful, however I will say that listening to music you did during active drug use can be a problem for people; for the most part I've been fine but I simply cannot listen to rap anymore whatever reason it's too much for me. Find household projects to undertake, I'm trying to lay out plans for a larger cage for my dog, so that when I have to be out for 5 hours she can be comfortable. Do people favors, I have a lot of time on my hands so I drive my sister to voice lessons or theatre practice and save my mother the trip. Make friends with the employees of stores you regularly go to. I chat with a lot of store clerks and honestly I feel much better about my day after a pleasant 2-5 minute conversation. Read comics, I get "XKCD" comics on my phone and they brighten my day even when it's a really shitty day. If your not into XKCD then you should try "The Far Side", which is hilarious. I mean there are ten-thousand and more things we could do to make our lives better or more complete or even just finding little distractions when you need them. Be creative, it feels good and you'll probably find some really fun activities that you never would've thought to try while you were using. Best of luck and hopefully you got something out of this long ass rant
 
I don't want to change my music because well i fucking love alice in chains so much haha. I feel ashamed to say i honestly actually stuck my veins a few times just because i miss that needle pain.
 
hey, Tacoma. i totally feel you. i'm climbing the *fucking walls* (day 12 off heroin). i'm gonna hit my second NA meeting today in a couple hours. i feel like i'm grasping at the thinnest straws.

i haven't stuck myself with a needle since getting off dope. but i've done similar things. i had a tiny piece left over and i sat on my floor smelling it for about an hour. then i used, knocking down nearly a month of clean time.

interesting to me how many folks talk about the therapeutic value of living with a dog. i gotta say: my beautiful, sweet dog is at least as big an ally in kicking as anything else is. between taking him for walks and knowing that he'll never judge me, it's hard to beat.

sorry, this message is totally rambling. just trying to communicate that you're all right: we quit the dope and that's horrible. and then more horrible comes out to play.

... till better times.
 
I don't have a dog nor want one im not much of a dog person but i got a cat and a snake and giving them both attention seems to help
 
I grew up in North Tacoma, near the Proctor district, and i cant even fucking imagine trying to get clean in that town. Moving out of Tacoma was the first in a series of moves I have made trying to get clean. Good luck man, I know Tacoma has changed a lot since i was a kid in the 80's and teen in the 90's.. but i also know for a fact it's still a town filled with cheap quality drugs.. I was just there copping dope again last year.

I'll also add, after about a dozen or more moves, changing geography isn't the way either. You have to change yourself. After way too long, and a million times trying it my way, i finally gave it up and went on subs and started going to NA. Haven't used dope since 3/24. To some people that's not clean, but for me it's huge, I'm good with it and I'm making progress. I really hope you can do the same. From someone who actually know's about Tacompton :)
 
I am in the midst of that first serious depression. I relapsed and HARD, so now im trying to get clean again. I am on day 2 after over a week of hard pill abuse, and I am in the middle of that, nothing to do, not sleeping feeling.

It also sucks when you have no money becuase theres not much fun to be had for free…Any suggestions? (yes i walk and ride my bike)

Due to riding my bike, since i quite the pills im cold as hell so its 65 degrees out and im riding a bike like a jerk in a jacket lmao.

The best tips I have are, exercise, tell everyone, I talked to my sister, I cam totally clean with her, I told my friends (some knew my problem some didnt). So when I get the feeling of just crying and letting it all go, its nice to call a friend or my sister and they really help. Just warn them to help you and not yell at you, tell them sometimes to just listen and not say what to do, its easier when they understand and just want to sympathetically help instead of looking at you as a pill head.

Hey man no worries. I like you relepaed after 4 days. Went real real real FUKING hard in everything and anything. Spent a G in a few days and am back to day 3-4 currently 740am haven't slept much. It's like I got the energy within to want to exercise but still so sore and fatigued on no sleep it's a mind fuk huh? And yes 70degrees in NY and im in hoodie lol so trust me you are not alone.

Keep fighting brotha I know you see the light as I do.
 
Its nice not to feel alone that others are going through/ went through this bullshit. Olypen im looking to move not necessarily for the this city is drug ridden although it is there's really no escaping this u can never find a place drug free especially with internet existing
 
Its nice not to feel alone that others are going through/ went through this bullshit. Olypen im looking to move not necessarily for the this city is drug ridden although it is there's really no escaping this u can never find a place drug free especially with internet existing

Drugs or not, Tacoma overall can be a depressing city. I can totally understand wanting to get out. As my screen name might indicate the first place i moved was the Olympic Peninsula. If you get the chance and and enjoy nature at all get out there and check it out. The area is fucking beautiful and really has it all.. water, mountains, forest, hot springs, lakes, National Parks, State Parks, a ferry to Victoria BC, easy access to Seattle, camping, hiking, kayaking and skiing/snow shoeing in the winter. During the spring and summer there is no place i'd rather be than the Olympic Peninsula.

Port Angeles even has a small community college if you're considering anything like that. I won't lie to you, it's pretty much just as easy to score tar or speed on the OlyPen as it is in Tacoma, but if you're looking a fresh start instead of fresh connections you might at least consider it. If not it's at least a good place for a weekend getaway. There's something about being up in the mountains, for me at least, that gives me perspective on my place in this universe. My ultimate insignificance on this tiny little rock orbiting the vastness of space. I find it comforting. Good luck Tacoma.
 
I honestly don't know how much longer i will be able to keep this up..i found a little H and I'd really love to use it
 
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