Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

[ebola?]

The problem with these vegans start when children start to lose weight and doctors ask, what are you doing?

I think that this is more an issue of failing to provide children with adequate nutrition in general than failure to provide children with animal products. All similar widely publicized cases I've seen thus far involve the parents doing something fucked up, like feeding their kid only unpasteurized apple juice, providing them with half their daily necessary calories, etc. This is an issue with negligent parents, not vegan children.

ebola

 

[swilow]

I think that this is more an issue of failing to provide children with adequate nutrition in general than failure to provide children with animal products. All similar widely publicized cases I've seen thus far involve the parents doing something fucked up, like feeding their kid only unpasteurized apple juice, providing them with half their daily necessary calories, etc. This is an issue with negligent parents, not vegan children.

ebola

Or: Vegans can be neglectful idiots who shouldn't have children too.

We've been through this. Its possible to feed children aqequately on a vegetarian/vegan diet. I am not going to feed my children vegan food, though I will focus on vegetarian food. I'll probably include fish and I might include chicken. I do believe that this is an important and positive ideal, and will certainly encourage it, but I will encourage decision making and thinking for oneself moreso.

 

[Journyman16]

Dang Nutskin, it ain't all about the little brain and one- eyed monster.
Speaking of the eye and brain......
Cut a carrot in half, and it looks just like an eye;
and a walnut like a brain.
Carrots great for eyes.....
Walnuts great for brain......
More what I was getting at.

You must have a strange version of an eye.

How do you feel about eating mussels? :D Is it sexual for you? :D

 

[Journyman16]

Yep... It isn't about WHICH diet, it is about what is healthy. Lots of carrots is about as healthy as lots of McBurgers, unless you balance it out.

 

[ebola?]

I am not going to feed my children vegan food, though I will focus on vegetarian food. I'll probably include fish and I might include chicken. I do believe that this is an important and positive ideal, and will certainly encourage it, but I will encourage decision making and thinking for oneself moreso.

Since I don't plan on having children, this is a relative non-issue for me that I haven't put much thought into. Still, I think I'd give my kid only vegetarian food, in part because I literally don't know how to cook meat (I understand it's usually pretty simple, as you just wait for it to turn brown ). The kid's mother could obviously feed them what she wants, and they could obviously get whatever they want at restaurants.

It's an interesting issue, as I don't think that there's any real neutral ground, as is the case with religion. Just as parents endeavor to impart some worldview* (and indeed usually some cosmology) to their children, they must also give their children a particular diet.

*I was raised agnostic, and it's not like my parents responded to spiritual questions with "I don't know. End of discussion." It was more, "I don't know. A lot of people think x. A lot think y. My best guess is z because a, b, and c (z would be different between my two parents)." This wasn't neutral but rather a particular approach to the matter.

ebola

 

[Erikmen]

We've been through this. Its possible to feed children aqequately on a vegetarian/vegan diet. I am not going to feed my children vegan food, though I will focus on vegetarian food. I'll probably include fish and I might include chicken. I do believe that this is an important and positive ideal, and will certainly encourage it, but I will encourage decision making and thinking for oneself moreso.

I like the way you put it. I have kids, one is already much older. And you have to add fish and chicken and teach them about vegetarian food. Moderation in everything.
Most Importantly, they learned to make decisions and act independently. They are very healthy indeed.

 

[nuttynutskin]

The problem with these vegans start when children start to lose weight and doctors ask, what are you doing?
It happened to my neighbor. She looks sick and her children too.

To a lesser extent, I'd personally lump that in with those christian science idiots that believe in prayer to cure illnesses and don't take their kids to the doctor. I don't care if full grown adults choose to malnourish themselves, but I have zero tolerance when it comes to parents pushing their unhealthy (in this case dietary) beliefs on their children. The same could be argued with parents that feed their children tons of junk food and I'm equally against that.

 

[methamaniac]

You must have a strange version of an eye.

Peep this ?

http://www.pakwheels.com/forums/att...ts-fruits-human-body-1_z5d_pakwheels-com-.jpg

https://wholefoodconsciousness.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/eye-carrot.jpg?w=261&h=115&crop=1

How do you feel about eating mussels? :D Is it sexual for you? :D

Woudn't know, don't eat them.
Pretty sure they aren't a fruit or vegetable either :D
I have heard eating mussels get the love muscles going tho

 

[swilow]

You must have a strange version of an eye.

Imagine mine:

NSFW:

Anyhow, enough about anthropomorphic vegetables. Let's get back to the true issue, which is how lucky god is that he didn't choose the octopus to be the master species.

 

[spacejunk]

Imagine mine:

NSFW:

Anyhow, enough about anthropomorphic vegetables. Let's get back to the true issue, which is how lucky god is that he didn't choose the octopus to be the master species.

Damn humourless vegans!

 

[methamaniac]

Anyhow, enough about anthropomorphic vegetables. Let's get back to the true issue, which is how lucky god is that he didn't choose the octopus to be the master species.

Oh my good friend Willow,
never miss an opportunity to take a shot at a God that you are sure doesn't exist, right?☺
Speaking of Octopuses and EYES.....
Isn't it amazing how your deity/entity 'random blind chance' was able to build an uncannily similar (basically identical in Squid) camera eye Independently in cephalopods/octopuses and humans/vertabrates ( oh and let's not leave out Cnadaria).
We won't get into other examples of independently evolved image forming eyes right now.(let's just say there's a bunch)
Truly magical this mysterious force of yours is I tell ya.......truly magical!

 

[swilow]

^I responded to you making creative claims. I didn't bring up god and carrots. That was you.

 

[ebola?]

never miss an opportunity to take a shot at a God that you are sure doesn't exist, right?☺

I don't think I even understand how one could interpret that lighthearted joke as a slight against god. I'm...not even sure what set of assumptions would cultivate that particular interpretive approach.

ebola

 

[methamaniac]

^I responded to you making creative claims. I didn't bring up god and carrots. That was you.

Guilty on the carrots........
I'm pretty positive you invited God into the discussion tho (and octopuses ☺) .......
Either way, I'm truly not offended/bothered in any respect by your comment/joke .I'm not sure I really even get it either way (maybe you could explain it). The "shot" comment was a really more a joke hence the smiley....

I honestly don't see how/why you would be bothered by my comments (not saying you are, and if your not everything all good )
Pretty big coinkydink on the convergent evo of the eye tho, no?

 

[swilow]

I'm...not even sure what set of assumptions would cultivate that particular interpretive approach.

ebola

I don't know, I think the mind that see's eyes in carrots can find insult easily enough.

But I don't think he was insulted or anything

Guilty on the carrots........
I'm pretty positive you invited God into the discussion tho (and octopuses ☺) .......

I admit to introducing our Cephalopodian brothers, but twas, in fact, you who introduced god by making allusions to intelligent design evidenced (apparently) by the vague resemblance between a bisected carrot and a human eye. I just don't.... well, you know what I think about it.

Either way, I'm truly not offended/bothered in any respect by your comment/joke .I'm not sure I really even get it either way (maybe you could explain it). The "shot" comment was a really more a joke hence the smiley....

Yeah, I knew that you weren't offended by it. I didn't intend you to be offended; I just couldn't resist I like what you contribute here and, I will admit, I am looking at aspects of evolution and the universe in a slightly more critical way, less accepting of the status-quo. I attribute that to you, amongst others, and I appreciate anything that benefits me.... The last thing I want to do is offend. Well, the second last.

My point- what was it?- the octopus has an odd shaped eye. I was more pointing meekly to the absurdity of claiming that god speaks to us through both bible-verse and the geometry of vegetation.

I think that octopi eyes would also benefit from vitamin A in carrot. Yet carrots are apparently shaped like human eyes. If the most-advanced species was a type of octopus, I wonder how god would have encoded that into terrestrial flora.

In other words, on a planet ruled by octopi, what the fuck do carrots look like? (I guarantee you that that sentence has never before been uttered in the entire universe :D)

I honestly don't see how/why you would be bothered by my comments (not saying you are, and if your not everything all good )
Pretty big coinkydink on the convergent evo of the eye tho, no?

I wasn't at all bothered I just find the idea of intelligent design to be quite ridiculous and not worth much more then a (pretty lame) joke.

It was definitely funnier then my carrot/erect picture tho

 

[methamaniac]

I admit to introducing our Cephalopodian brothers, but twas, in fact, you who introduced god by making allusions to intelligent design evidenced (apparently) by the vague resemblance between a bisected carrot and a human eye. I just don't.... well, you know what I think about it

Wow, this thread still going strong.....
I find fruits and vegetables that look like the body part/organ they are good for very interesting.
Nothing to do with thread really,
just find it interesting.☺

How is this introducing God? I don't think God designed it so when viewed the bisection of a carrot would look like an eye. (I'm not ruling out that he could've designed the eye to look like the bisection of a carrot tho) ?
lulz... that was your incorrect assumption.
I got a pamphlet from a dietitian a few years back that had that (and other examples) on it.
I can't help I see the resemblance

But I don't think he was insulted or anything

Now this assumption is 100% correct

Yeah, I knew that you weren't offended by it. I didn't intend you to be offended; I just couldn't resist I like what you contribute here and, I will admit, I am looking at aspects of evolution and the universe in a slightly more critical way, less accepting of the status-quo. I attribute that to you, amongst others, and I appreciate anything that benefits me.... The last thing I want to do is offend. Well, the second last.

Ty and Likewise......
As far as the status quo, you should question it in respect. Behind closed doors scientist know the neo-darwinian model is wrong, but will not publicly admit it until they have another model to replace it.
We barely understand DNA/human genome, and we are finding out they are a lot more "intelligent" than we could imagine.

My point- what was it?- the octopus has an odd shaped eye. I was more pointing meekly to the absurdity of claiming that god speaks to us through both bible-verse and the geometry of vegetation.

Ah ha......it was a shot at God and those that believe in the bible☺
(As well as those that believe in the revelation of geometric vegetation )

I wasn't at all bothered I just find the idea of intelligent design to be quite ridiculous and not worth much more then a (pretty lame) joke.

I find the idea of a random process creating a 4-bit code (with highly specified information) that can write, edit, transcribe, and execute itself to be in the category of absurd......but hey, we can agreee to disagree on that one friend ☺

It was definitely funnier then my carrot/erect picture tho

agreed, carrot picture much funnnier!

 

[Erikmen]

To a lesser extent, I'd personally lump that in with those christian science idiots that believe in prayer to cure illnesses and don't take their kids to the doctor. I don't care if full grown adults choose to malnourish themselves, but I have zero tolerance when it comes to parents pushing their unhealthy (in this case dietary) beliefs on their children. The same could be argued with parents that feed their children tons of junk food and I'm equally against that.

I fully agree with that!

 

[Ninae]

Being a Vegan: The easy way.

 

[methamaniac]

^
That's the before they tried meat pic........
Here's the after

 

[Ninae]

It's amazing how many paintings of poppies there are. I was just watching something on television and the centre piece on the wall was a beautiful tapestry of a flower garden with poppies up at the front and I have to say I found it bit distracting (even though I've done much more Kratom than true opiates).