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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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Kratom was never a full blown high for me, it's kind of subtle. Sweet spot for me would give me an energy boost with a little euphoria. Sometimes it would fade and not return the next dose of the day. I would just be left with the content feeling and being able to sleep easy. If I took too much I would get eye wobbles but the high never really disappeared on me. Thais would give me the most euphoria but would also make me irritated/moody sometimes so try different strains maybe?

And for the tolerance question- I never tried to limit myself when I first started, I just ate it daily. But now I only have a small amount which I have used occasionally over the last two months. Probably never more than 3 times a week and sometimes not at all in a week so it has varied, but I haven't had any WD even with me being dependent on it in the past.

If you are just using plain leaf you won't wake up instantly vomiting and in tremors. But it can sneak up on you. You will probably feel really heavy, maybe a little fatigued when you get up. A little sniffy nose/yawning. That's how it started for me. I never had nausea when I quit cold turkey. My shit wasn't solid for a good while but I didn't have stomach pains, I think it was the lack of fiber since my body was receiving around an ounce of plant matter daily lol.
 
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So, from the way you make it sound the withdrawal isn't really that bad unless maybe you get WDs and DON'T back off and start cutting down or take a break for a while right?

I mean, isn't it as simple as saying that if you start to feel a little shitty then recognize it might be withdrawal and don't do any for a little while?

But the way some people have made it sound at times is as if your fucked if you get a little WD.

It just doesn't seem to me to be so extreme like Heroin addiction or anything.

And how much were you using during the time you were addicted, in terms of days a week and amount a day?

Also, do the extracts lead to people waking up puking and shit?

Cause if so, if I end up trying those I'd probably keep it to once a week.
 
I used every day probably around an ounce of plain leaf a day. Multiple times a day, maybe 6-7 doses throughout the day. The WD was shitty for me, but manageable. This was after a long period of daily use so I think I experienced the worst plain leaf WD can throw at someone. I was able to quit cold turkey but took some phenibut for a few days (careful with that) and was able to function and go to work during. I was kind of depressed and mopey for 2 weeks. There definitely is a WD, but I don't think it is what you are thinking. IDK, everyone is different.

And yeah the extracts will produce a stronger high but also raise your tolerance and probably get you dependent a lot quicker. Stick with plain leaf. My tolerance plateaued with plain leaf around an ounce a day.
 
I suppose everyone will be different. For someone who was up to around 30 grams per day, the withdrawal was pretty bad. I would say it's mostly psychological and if you aren't prepared for the horrifying mind fuck, thinking, knowing the whole world is in on some cruel joke against you, then I would caution people against obtaining a dependence to Kratom.
 
Just got 9,000MG of Red Vein extract capsules: I indulge in quite a bit of IR30's. (3-4 day)

What should the dosage be? I want to nod out.

8:50- 4,200MG down
 
Damn....some of you take some insane amounts

Just got my Red vein Borneo.....it is by far and away the best kratom I've come across....and I've tried like 10 different strains....this stuff for real feels like an opiate....only one out of the 10 that I can say that about

Also got some tianepine....I'm on the fence about this stuff....felt a buzz off 100mg, but not even close to my Borneo....night and day difference

Oh and that guy who just posted above me is going to be sick as a dog
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
Damn....some of you take some insane amounts

Just got my Red vein Borneo.....it is by far and away the best kratom I've come across....and I've tried like 10 different strains....this stuff for real feels like an opiate....only one out of the 10 that I can say that about

Also got some tianepine....I'm on the fence about this stuff....felt a buzz off 100mg, but not even close to my Borneo....night and day difference

Oh and that guy who just posted above me is going to be sick as a dog
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Dude I swapped my kratom 15-25grams a day to a 1-1.3 gram a day tianeptine habbit . Let me tell you I like it more then my 30mg oxy instant releases I get every month . Pound 350mg of that tianeptine down man. This stuff is no joke man you will get hooked like me on tianeptine if you use the amount I do . Hell 18grams of kratom all in 1 go didn't even touch the WD of tianeptine . So that tells you something there. Just stopped ordering kratom altogether , and now I get 40-50 grams tianeptine a month . I thought tianeptine was a joke. lol How wrong was i . Its OK though I have come to the conclusion that I will use some type of opiate the rest of my life , and my oxy, kratom and tianeptine sure beats going back on 4-6 baggies of smack a day like I use to . I have been snorting tianeptine , and making caps and on the good side no more taking 30+ caps of kratom at a time. 1 cap of tianeptine is all it takes . I prob need to up my dose on it again to catch a good nod , but around 400-450 should do it for me. I just hope i don't turn to the needle route. :/ At least its pretty clean though compared to my smack I use to get , and its better then crushing and filtering these 30mg roxies and shooting them .

I heard some good things from a friend that was shooting tianeptine 300mg stra8 in the vain . He claims he likes it better then smack. I just don't think IM gonna go that route ;because I got on kratom to get me off of oxy , and heroin , but its hard to not just keep getting my script for 120 30mg roxies a month so I just let em pile up got over 5000 of these lil blu 30mg roxies. ;) So when times get rough I got a pile for life. I just pop one when I go in for blood work for the doc to see em in my system , and the xanax lets not go there don't know how many them blu 2mgs I got .

Also man don't listen to a lot of the people that say tianeptine is bad on the liver ;because its mostly cleaned out by your kidneys . I find this to be a lot cleaner high then kratom on par with oxy . Kratom is so wishy washy to me some days it will put me on my ass some I take 20 grams , and don't even know I took it . Tianeptine has only been found to be bad on your liver if you take 600 fold more then the recommended 12.5mg dose so don't take more then 7500mg in one setting . Who would take that much at one time anyhow . It would probably be enough to kill even the most opiate tolerant person in the world .

BTW I feel like kratom was a lot worse on my body then tianeptine ;because sometimes after a 20 gram dose my liver seemed to hurt and my insides altogether would hurt I would also get a headache , and sometime I just felt week and sick with it . Tianeptine on the other hand like I said above is a much cleaner high on par with the speedy euphoric warmth oxy gives me . I think 350mg tianeptine is about the same as 60mg oxy 450mg tianeptine may be closer to about 100mg oxy this is just me though . I did make one mistake the other day mixing about 250mg ice aka meth with my tianeptine seemed to cause what felt like serotonin toxicity symptoms in me . Want do it again .

If you are interested in some research about tianeptine let me know , and I will pm it to you. Its a good read! :)
 
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Man I haven't done pills in almost a year.:..if I had the stash you have I'd be done....stick a fork in me.....used to have a stash of benzos but I've been off them for almost 3 years now.....never hit them very hard cause I was drinking all the time...they were just my morning boosters and night caps
 
kratom is good with me. here's the thing, though. it's crazy. maybe some of you can help me with insight. using kratom daily for about 2 months. no problem. really love it. a couple of days ago, i'm getting allergic reactions in my hand. painful swelling,red. i've had food allergy like this before. i thought, maybe this maybe that. ate nothing last night, just had kratom. had the reaction. very tiny bit to eat this morning. 1/2 dose of kratom. had the reaction. holy shit, could i be allergic to kratom after 2 months? does this make any sense? .. tried a new strain recently, but the reaction didn't start until about a week later. i did start using a different brand of lemon juice .. i make the tea, can't do the powder at all, so i use lemon juice. found out some folks react to the preservative in this new lemon juice. long story short, i'm really hoping it's not the kratom. will try this afternoon making the kratom with limes. .. jeez. would like hearing from anyone else who's had allergic reactions. thanks.
 
my god, that was a rambling post. my main question is, does it make any sense at all to anyone that i'd be experiencing an allergic reaction to kratom after using daily for 2 - 3 months? & it did not start right away with a new strain. it started about a week later. ok. thanks again.
 
It's possible, yes. Allergies can suddenly present after long periods of non-problematic exposure to something. I have to imagine that kratom allergies are pretty rare, though.
 
thanks for the reminder. true, things can kick up trouble out of nowhere .. keeping away from kratom today *but* had a citrus drink a little while ago .. wouldn't you know it, got the allergy symptoms! so we might be looking at a citrus allergy. & your suggestion that things kick in out of nowhere might apply here too. hate to say it, but i hope it's the citrus. will try the kratom later without the lemon juice. i can use vinegar instead. we'll see. thanks again.
 
I've only used plain leaf so far and I'm considering whether or not it would be a bad idea to try UEI because I am very interested in it.

However, I am DETERMINED never to allow myself to become physically dependent on Kratom or any opiate (only others I've ever done are Oxy, Hydro and Codeine) and I would like some kind of reference point for exactly HOW much more addictive UEI is than plain leaf??

I've found I can use plain leaf 2--3 times a week without physical withdrawal so far and I'm assuming that would be much harder to do with UEI.

My main question is whether or not UEI is close to as physically addictive as Heroin??

Because if it's as addictive or even close to as physically addictive as Heroin I don't want to touch it.
 
euc1000 said:
kratom is good with me. here's the thing, though. it's crazy. maybe some of you can help me with insight. using kratom daily for about 2 months. no problem. really love it. a couple of days ago, i'm getting allergic reactions in my hand. painful swelling,red. i've had food allergy like this before. i thought, maybe this maybe that. ate nothing last night, just had kratom. had the reaction. very tiny bit to eat this morning. 1/2 dose of kratom. had the reaction. holy shit, could i be allergic to kratom after 2 months? does this make any sense? .. tried a new strain recently, but the reaction didn't start until about a week later. i did start using a different brand of lemon juice .. i make the tea, can't do the powder at all, so i use lemon juice. found out some folks react to the preservative in this new lemon juice. long story short, i'm really hoping it's not the kratom. will try this afternoon making the kratom with limes. .. jeez. would like hearing from anyone else who's had allergic reactions. thanks.
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yeah i had this about a mounth ago after 3 years.its gone down now though.
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
Man I haven't done pills in almost a year.:..if I had the stash you have I'd be done....stick a fork in me.....used to have a stash of benzos but I've been off them for almost 3 years now.....never hit them very hard cause I was drinking all the time...they were just my morning boosters and night caps
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Lets just say if you got $450 a doc visit my pain doc would give you anything. ;) I get 90 8mg dilaudids a month to , but as soon as I get em they gone. ;)

Dilaudid is for break through pain the 30mg roxies 5x a day is for all day pain management . With 5 herniated disks in my back I really do hurt.
 
Mycophile said:
I've only used plain leaf so far and I'm considering whether or not it would be a bad idea to try UEI because I am very interested in it.

However, I am DETERMINED never to allow myself to become physically dependent on Kratom or any opiate (only others I've ever done are Oxy, Hydro and Codeine) and I would like some kind of reference point for exactly HOW much more addictive UEI is than plain leaf??

I've found I can use plain leaf 2--3 times a week without physical withdrawal so far and I'm assuming that would be much harder to do with UEI.

My main question is whether or not UEI is close to as physically addictive as Heroin??

Because if it's as addictive or even close to as physically addictive as Heroin I don't want to touch it.
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No no and no UEI does not even come close to heroin man . Hell UEI does not come close to tianeptine either .
Sorry but if you really are wanting something stronger skip UEI its not much better then plain leaf .
Maybe 30% better , but thats not much .

I don't even think any of the pure alkaloids in kratom in white crystalline form would come close to Heroin.

Just stick to using kratom for what its good for maintenance or getting off stronger stuff .
 
Hey guys, did any of you more regular Kratom users get skin complications like pimples/acne and such?
I have the suspicion that Kratom causes this mainly in my face area. After ~1 week of daily use this became apparent and I did not change anything else nutrition wise.
 
Starting dose for someone like me with 140mg opana tolerance daily?

Best strain?

I just found a company abt an hr and a half away that's selling kratom legit.

Thanks...
 
So when I was dojng pills I loved mixing them with booze

Tried mixing tianeptine with booze twice and not such a good idea....first time I started nodding but was able to fight it off....second time I just passed the duck out
 
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