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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

still, killing animal would still be immoral and cruel, and violent.
the way to live and be in harmony with life is to be non-violent
What 23 said:
Anyone heard of the Georgia Guidestones? Reduce human population to a sustainable 500 million.
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I was going to say the same but forgot when one out of the five I clicked on worked.
 
turkalurk said:
i know, I am still waiting for an actual answer to how the global transition would work. Why can't we stop arguing about a utopian fairytale and work together against the industry to ensure the animals we eat are treated with respect and dignity instead of pointing fingers and shaming people for being who they naturally are, just because you have different inclinations and feel others must also live as you do.
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Giving up meat or living as a vegetarian is not sitting on a high horse or living some sort of utopia. More like the least you can do. If you're a vegan or fruitarian it takes a bit more as it's harder to do.

I gave up meat when I was still at school and then both my sisters did. And it's not like we've even thought about it since. So no, it's not some kind of fairytale.
 
next time you see a cow, take a knife and go kill it. see how you feel after that. look into the cow eye, and kill it. your hungry, who cares. its just your wonderful human nature to destroy life for your own benefit!
What 23 said:
No it isn't.

That doesn't really have much to do with the Georgia Guidestones and reducing the human population and keeping it around 500 million.
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There was a time when everything to me went raw. I was against people playing GTA or simulated violence because of what it resonated with. It wasn't necessarily that I was wrong... But I'm glad I'm not there right now.

I was eating a lot of chocolate at the time.. Dark chocolate. It messes with stress hormones. It was a magical time...

I don't want to go kill a cow. I don't eat their meat. I rarely if ever eat red meat (though, my body recognizes welcomes and uses CLA-- only found in their fat). The closest to red meat I eat is organ meat from mutated dinosaurs. If however I was and my family was starving or just hungry and needed to keep their strength up, and there was nothing else that could supply vital nutrients... I would kill it. No problem. I would have killed it when I was against even simulated violence.

Read the GTA thread and you'll see how much I was against violence. Haha. Now... Well, sometimes I really do want to kill 99.93% of human kind, or at least have them be gone. Life is sometimes about having armor to survive it. And putting aside feeling good.
 
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murphythecat said:
next time you see a cow, take a knife and go kill it. see how you feel after that. look into the cow eye, and kill it. your hungry, who cares. its just your wonderful human nature to destroy life for your own benefit!
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It is also an assumption that I need to kill to eat meat. I could eat the claws of crabs. I can eat roadkill. I can eat something killed from something else, which is what I am doing. If the animal is already dead, even Buddhist monks would rather eat it than see it spoil.

If i did my own hunting I would only hunt envasive species. I would avoid killing mammals if they weren't over-populated, but if my resources were limited I would kill it in the most humane way possible and I would pay my respects and show gratitude to the animal and the world for providing me sustenance.
 
I will say that a high meat diet is unsustainable and really really horrible on the environment. But much of what humans do is unsustainable. I'm not sure how much faith I have in our sustaining this way of life... And still think the problem is more our masses and our system and way of living. Perhaps we can organize ourselves to where we can all survive and reach 9 billion 18 billion 36 billion... But I don't see it happening smoothly and would prefer it not be "wrong" for me to enjoy a fish if I can/want. I know my body was designed to digest meat. I know my brain probably got this big because of meat. I know that some think hunting and language happened in good parts together.
 
Ninae said:
Giving up meat or living as a vegetarian is not sitting on a high horse or living some sort of utopia. More like the least you can do. If you're a vegan or fruitarian it takes a bit more as it's harder to do.

I gave up meat when I was still at school and then both my sisters did. And it's not like we've even thought about it since. So no, it's not some kind of fairytale.
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again out of context, veganism as an individual preference, like I said, is a beautiful choice to make. I admire those people, until they push those beliefs as ethical principles that every decent human being ought to follow. then they are being smug about it. You are pushing a principle that can't be universalized at our present stage of development. It is not feasible for everyone to quit eating meat like that is a one fix all solution to the problem.
 
you said it 10 times already, and weve answered you.
it is feasable and its the only option if we want to feed everyone on the planet, protect the environments and also be more kind to other sentient beings.

its so costly in terms of water and food to feed meat farms, that we could feed everyone on the planet if we were to stop the meat farms.

seriously, be informed on the subject because you are ignorant right now.


turkalurk said:
again out of context, veganism as an individual preference, like I said, is a beautiful choice to make. I admire those people, until they push those beliefs as ethical principles that every decent human being ought to follow. then they are being smug about it. You are pushing a principle that can't be universalized at our present stage of development. It is not feasible for everyone to quit eating meat like that is a one fix all solution to the problem.
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No, the world would fall apart if it happened over night, but it could well happen gradually like many things have changed.
 
which is the point I have been making all along. If you want to revolutionize the world you must have a contigency plan. When the food synthesizers come onto market, change will be easy for all.
 
murphythecat said:
you said it 10 times already, and weve answered you.
it is feasable and its the only option if we want to feed everyone on the planet, protect the environments and also be more kind to other sentient beings.

its so costly in terms of water and food to feed meat farms, that we could feed everyone on the planet if we were to stop the meat farms.

seriously, be informed on the subject because you are ignorant right now.
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excuse me if I don't take your word for it, I don't find incredulous rebuttals very convincing as I have already implied I disagree with your opinion. Please show me some contigency plans from a working, credible, and reliable source.
 
What 23 said:
Anyone heard of the Georgia Guidestones? Reduce human population to a sustainable 500 million.

I don't care about feeding people. I'd actually rather commit genocide. Its much more real.
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I understand your sentiment, but when you say things like that it makes me want to distance myself as it sounds pretty sociopathic.
 
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