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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

What 23 said:
Murphy... The eggs you eat... Where do you buy them?
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look, im going to become a buddhist monk very soon.
Im preparing myself for my first retreat.
I gave up school, my girlfriend and everything I hold there to devote myself. I will likely wont even have a bed to sleep on, mediate 10 hours per day and eat rice.
this conversation and topic has nothing to do with one individual, but everyone of us.

so far, nobody ever came close to give one argument to defend how acceptable it is to kill another being. theres have been shown how easily we can sustain ourselves without meat. when you do buy meat, you encourage the killing of animals.
 
When the standard arguments don't work it just descends into excuses and rationalisations.
 
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turkalurk said:
its goes both ways. some people's interest are more focused on superficial ethics which makes them feel all warm and fuzzy but doesn't address any of the problems with genuine solutions. They feel good when they can feel they are making the "ethical" choice. So, even when people claim to be making an ethical decision it is in their self interest to avoid feeling guilt and to indulge in the gratification of being pleased with oneself. I call it smug because you actually don't know what is best for the world, you only think you do. So, when you assume to know such things you come off with a kind of smugness.

As for objective morality, its supposed to be objectively immoral to lie. But what if you were hiding a Jew in World war 2 and a nazi came asking if and where you were hiding them. I don't see things in black and white so its not even a sacrifice of integrity to lie for the greater good. Ask me if your ass looks fat in those jeans and I will tell you whatever I think you wanna hear.
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your out of thread and you are again making attacks:
its goes both ways. some people's interest are more focused on superficial ethics which makes them feel all warm and fuzzy but doesn't address any of the problems with genuine solutions. They feel good when they can feel they are making the "ethical" choice. So, even when people claim to be making an ethical decision it is in their self interest to avoid feeling guilt and to indulge in the gratification of being pleased with oneself. I call it smug because you actually don't know what is best for the world, you only think you do. So, when you assume to know such things you come off with a kind of smugness.
I would love to eat meat, I used to love meat, but I dont anymore because it involves animal being killed. its not to clear my guilty consciousne, its because I know it would be a much better world if wed all stop buying meat and stop that carnage.

are you serious here. its CLEAR that meat farms are the worst industry on the planet. its the most polluting for the environments and on top of that, kills millions of animals every day.
its fair to say that it would be better for the animals and the planet to stop that industry.
its obvious.

maybe read those links?
http://science.time.com/2013/12/16/t...at-production/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...eat_production
https://woods.stanford.edu/environme...al-environment
http://beyondfactoryfarming.org/get-...ts-meat-eating
 
This is true. The guy didn't even answer my question. He probably buys cheap food.
 
I'd honestly have to say chemical industries like Monsanto are worse, but I doubt you have even heard of them.

Or the prison industrial complex, or pharmaceutical industry... There are at least a few competitors. But you probably ate five dried grams some time ago and saw we are all one and couldn't deal. So now we have this. The poor animals.
 
murphythecat said:
look, im going to become a buddhist monk very soon.
Im preparing myself for my first retreat.
I gave up school, my girlfriend and everything I hold there to devote myself. I will likely wont even have a bed to sleep on, mediate 10 hours per day and eat rice.
this conversation and topic has nothing to do with one individual, but everyone of us.

so far, nobody ever came close to give one argument to defend how acceptable it is to kill another being. theres have been shown how easily we can sustain ourselves without meat. when you do buy meat, you encourage the killing of animals.
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where has this been shown that the entire world can quit eating meat without any signficant impact to the world's delicate ecosystems?

Buddhism would do ya some good. I hope you shed some ego and don't attach yourself to the role being more enlightened than everyone else.
 
what are you talking about?

meat industry DESTROY the delicate ecosystem
it destroy it.
we have destroyed the ecosystem of the seas because we eat fish. we have totally destroyed the seas ecosystem.
the meat we eat comes from farm, not nature. its been a long time the delicate eco system has been destroyed.

seriously, you make ZERO sense.
turkalurk said:
where has this been shown that the entire world can quit eating meat without any signficant impact to the world's delicate ecosystems?

Buddhism would do ya some good. I hope you shed some ego and don't attach yourself to the role being more enlightened than everyone else.
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So I guess you know all about their role in potentially ending life on earth as we know it. Rapid loss of pollinators, like bees. The company is trying to cover its ass by engineering bees that can survive its chemical onslaught. It has knocked down the Monarch population- another significant pollinator (and loved insect), with it's sprays and GM crops. I'm sure you have bought into these people.

You don't think intensive farming- even plant farming, destroys the ecosystems?

(I could be wrong. You most likely have bought into them.)
 
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you are a funny guy murphy. the worst thing on this planet eh? worse than the genocide, rape, and the sex slave industry? like I said, naive and short sighted. opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Some stink more than others, but smell is a subjective thing as well. I won't say my shit don't stink, but, at least, I can say I am comfortable with it.
 
 
read the links.

its been showed over and over. the worst industry on the planet, the one that detroy the more nautre, is meat farms.

maybe read those links?
http://science.time.com/2013/12/16/t...at-production/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environ...eat_production
https://woods.stanford.edu/environme...al-environment
http://beyondfactoryfarming.org/get-...ts-meat-eating
http://features.peta2.com/making-the-connection/world-hunger.aspx
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/apr/13/less-meat-prevent-climate-change
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/jun/02/un-report-meat-free-diet
http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/reasons-go-vegan/
http://www.salon.com/2014/07/17/how_eating_less_meat_can_help_feed_the_world/
turkalurk said:
you are a funny guy murphy. the worst thing on this planet eh? worse than the genocide, rape, and the sex slave industry? like I said, naive and short sighted. opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Some stink more than others, but smell is a subjective thing as well. I won't say my shit don't stink, but, at least, I can say I am comfortable with it.
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its not my opinion, its fact
factual information. this is what lacks into your argumentation. all you say is baseless claims.
 
Ninae said:
It was a parody.

"What's the point of changing one evil when there are so many other evils in the world? Even if we get rid of one, there will still be all the rest, so we might as well leave it as it is".

It's that kind of reasoning that ensures the world never improves (and that people can't seen further than their own interests).
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Huh? All I meant was that this thread seems civil when compared to some other threads, then tried to alleviate the tension a bit by attempting to make a joke about how wrong our assumptions of one another can be sometimes. Apologies if you or anyone else took it the wrong way.

I guess i'll stick to my day job, stand up comic may be a stretch :(
 
What 23 said:
You don't think intensive farming- even plant farming, destroys the ecosystems?
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of course.
but at this point, we have to look for the most smart way to feed the population.
CLEARLY, meat is not the smartest way. its actually the worst way.
have you read the links? jeez
 
Ninae said:
When the standard arguments don't work it just descends into excuses and rationalisations.
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i know, I am still waiting for an actual answer to how the global transition would work. Why can't we stop arguing about a utopian fairytale and work together against the industry to ensure the animals we eat are treated with respect and dignity instead of pointing fingers and shaming people for being who they naturally are, just because you have different inclinations and feel others must also live as you do.
 
read the links
turkalurk said:
i know, I am still waiting for an actual answer to how the global transition would work. Why can't we stop arguing about a utopian fairytale and work together against the industry to ensure the animals we eat are treated with respect and dignity instead of pointing fingers and shaming people for being who they naturally are, just because you have different inclinations and feel others must also live as you do.
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im not pointing fingers, quite the contrary. I just think people are ignorant to how much damage we all do by eating meat.
 
Anyone heard of the Georgia Guidestones? Reduce human population to a sustainable 500 million.

I don't care about feeding people. I'd actually rather commit genocide. Its much more real.
 
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