Anyone got life all figured out?

[Ninae]

Yes, while I love usng my mind, and enjoy being active and creative on all levels. But why wouldn't you enjoy using the mental aspect, which can be seen as given you as a gift from God, and something you have worked hard to make into what it is now?

You could also say neither are inherently wrong or right and that it's just a different approach. But keep in mind the Buddhic path is just one road to enlightenment and people become enlightened within all traditions. I'm just starting to wish we would co-operate more instead of using most of our energies to argue and try to "win" over each other (no one really wins that way anyway).

Keeping to one path, and maybe especially one as limited as Buddhism, would just be too limiting for me. It cuts out large chunks of life which can be very enjoyable and also used as paths to enlightenement. You can also reach the same place (one of the inner initiations) with an active mind providing you use it the right way. I think this approach was thought of as a substitute for humanity's bad habits in life, maybe. At least it entails rejecting the world, human life, and our nature to a high degree.

 

[pill_billy]

The bible holds no power these days

believe me in america that shit still has some power... pretty much any republican that runs for office has to make all their policies ok with whats in the bible...

again i dont have anything against anyone who is religious... i think ppl should have the freedom to believe in whatever they chose... i just cant believe something with zero proof and that another person is trying to tell me they know forsure what happens after death...

 

[murphythecat]

a gift from god. please, stop your non sense.
when you actually try it for yourself, its quite clear that the thinking process is not god given: its a choice we make to always think and its not useful at all. we already know all we think about and we think obsessively all day long.
but of course, when someone has never tasted the fruit of no thinking in the mind....

Yes, while I love usng my mind, and enjoy being active and creative on all levels. But why wouldn't you enjoy using the mental aspect, which can be seen as given you as a gift from God, and something you have worked hard to make into what it is now?

You could also say neither are inherently wrong or right and that it's just a different approach. But keep in mind the Buddhic path is just one road to enlightenment and people become enlightened within all traditions. I'm just starting to wish we would co-operate more instead of using most of our energies to argue and try to "win" over each other (no one really wins that way anyway).

Keeping to one path, and maybe especially one as limited as Buddhism, would just be too limiting for me. It cuts out large chunks of life which can be very enjoyable and also used as paths to enlightenement. You can also reach the same place (one of the inner initiations) with an active mind providing you use it the right way. I think this approach was thought of as a substitute for humanity's bad habits in life, maybe. At least it entails rejecting the world, human life, and our nature to a high degree.

 

[pill_billy]

a gift from god. please, stop your non sense.
when you actually try it for yourself, its quite clear that the thinking process is not god given: its a choice we make to always think and its not useful at all. we already know all we think about and we think obsessively all day long.
but of course, when someone has never tasted the fruit of no thinking in the mind....

lsat thing il say on the subject... whats more likely... an all powerful being created the entire universe but cant/ wont make himself known because hes playing a game with the devil over who can collect the most souls, not to even mention that if the god and devil are enemies why the fuck would the devil punish you for not obeying god? you would be on his side... and needs bodies for some end all battle thats gna take place at some point.... or is it more likely that some ppl in the desert made it up to control people (same goes every other religion not founded in a desert setting) anywayssssss...

 

[Ninae]

So you mean no fruit of the mind can be God-given? No poetry, no philosophy, or other art that originates in the mind? And how does it serve you to deny God rather than love something that is there for you to love?

I can't understand. If you have no awareness of God's presence, then yes. But it's not right to tell everyone it has no worth and even worse to tell them it's all nonsense and something that makes them stupid (it was good enough for Einstein, and too many to mention with a brilliant mind, so why not for me).

You might as well tell someone that meditation is nonsense. I don't enjoy it in paricular and manage without it. I enter a mediative state when I focus on the things I love. Writing can be mediative too. But I enjoy the state of oneness with God that sometimes occurs spontaneously and don't see why that should offend you.

lsat thing il say on the subject... whats more likely... an all powerful being created the entire universe but cant/ wont make himself known because hes playing a game with the devil over who can collect the most souls, not to even mention that if the god and devil are enemies why the fuck would the devil punish you for not obeying god? you would be on his side... and needs bodies for some end all battle thats gna take place at some point.... or is it more likely that some ppl in the desert made it up to control people (same goes every other religion not founded in a desert setting) anywayssssss...

This is so sad to see and has nothing to do with my concept of God or my personal experiences of God, so I don't know why you would even say something like that, or is it just a standard response? And have you considered that it could be your concept of God that is lacking?

Or is the idea of belonging to a chosen religion more important to you than the truth? Sounds a lot like it is and that's one expression of religion I just can't relate to at all, and where I can really understand the idea of "blind faith" (I mean, seriously?). This is one place people are right when they talk about blind belief and lack of independent thought. But maybe this is also part of why thought is considered such a crime - to disencourage you from thinking for yourself (on the mass level, like with most religions). Never seen it like that before.

You sound like someone who's never heard an intelligent definition or when you do you do shut it out. How do you respond when you see the greatest minds in the world talk about God? Or are you so closed off you just think "Otherwise great mind, shame about the rest"?

 

[murphythecat]

im not christian, im a buddhist. but even as a non christian, the way you reduce Christianity is wrong. theres different type of christian. theres the first testament and the second which are totally different. some apply christianity in their life and gain a lot from it. and what, you think society doesnt control you some other way now? it use to be with christianity, now its another way.

again, generalization and judging people doesnt help nobody.

lsat thing il say on the subject... whats more likely... an all powerful being created the entire universe but cant/ wont make himself known because hes playing a game with the devil over who can collect the most souls, not to even mention that if the god and devil are enemies why the fuck would the devil punish you for not obeying god? you would be on his side... and needs bodies for some end all battle thats gna take place at some point.... or is it more likely that some ppl in the desert made it up to control people (same goes every other religion not founded in a desert setting) anywayssssss...

 

[murphythecat]

I meant, tasting the fruit of having no thoughts in the mind. when you taste it in meditation, it becomes evident that its much more fun to not think and just be here, now. but of course, if you have never tasted that fruit, you cant know and think you dont like meditation.

how can someone say having thoughts is god given. when you stop thinking, what is that? god given also. Im sorry, but im a very logical person, and the invention of god is getting old for me. talk to me about love all you want, but not about god.
lets talk about real feelings, values, emotions we can generate in our heart. lets be logic in life and only talk about stuff we know, not things that are out of our reach, not ideas that cannot be proven, not theories. lets keep it simple, when we think too much, we make up a whole lot of stories that has no truth to it.

I dont feel the presence of god, sorry. I feel love and generate love in me, but sometime, when I dont generate love, I dont feel love.

So you mean no fruit of the mind can be God-given? No poetry, no philosophy, or other art that originates in the mind? And how does it serve you to deny God rather than love something that is there for you to love?

I can't understand. If you have no awareness of God's presence, then yes. But it's not right to tell everyone it has no worth and even worse to tell them it's all nonsense and something that makes them stupid (it was good enough for Einstein, and too many to mention with a brilliant mind, so why not for me).

You might as well tell someone that meditation is nonsense. I don't enjoy it in paricular and manage without it. I enter a mediative state when I focus on the things I love. Writing can be mediative too. But I enjoy the state of oneness with God that sometimes occurs spontaneously and don't see why that should offend you.

 

[pill_billy]

This is so sad to see and has nothing to do with my concept of God or my encounters with God so I don't know why you even said something like that, or is it just a standard response? Or have you thought that maybe it's your concept of God that is lacking. You sound like someone who's never heard an intelligent definition or when you do you do shut it out.

How do you respond when the greatest minds in the world talk about God? Or are you so closed off to it you just think "Otherwise great mind, shame about the rest?"

well einstein was an agnositic for one... and i would put myself in that catagory also... ive yet to see proof of any greater being...

second... the whole battle for souls thing is the main theme of the bible...

lastly... your "concept of god"... basically means you are making it up as you go... if god is real then some people are right and some are wrong, end of story... its not well this is how i want it to be soo thats how it is...

PS your right ive never heard any intelligent reasoning for why any religion is right, only heard intelligent reasoning for why it is most likely a made up story... now did i ever say that liking any story and gaining something from it is bad? no... shit i like all kinds of books, music, movies, games ect ect and gain something from them, but i realize they are made up and dont take them literally....

 

[Ninae]

PS your right ive never heard any intelligent reasoning for why any religion is right, only heard intelligent reasoning for why it is most likely a made up story...

So you haven't heard much.


"The more I study science the more I believe in God"

"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."

"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble."

"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books — a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects."

"When the solution is simple, God is answering. God does not play dice with the universe. God is subtle but he is not malicious."

- Einstein


And I guess the term "Agnostic" is open to interpretation. But I find it hard to understand someone who are at least not open to this concept of God. Also I wonder why mindless definitions, like the ones above, seems so much more preferred and more used than the intelligent ones, especially when we have endless of those.

Maybe we wouldn't grow up to see it as irrational if it wasn't like that? And who is answering when the solution is hard? Or does a lack of understanding equal a lack of God?

 

[pill_billy]

And I guess the term "Agnostic" is open to interpretation. But I find it hard to understand someone who are at least not open to this concept of God.

ive always understood agnostic to mean your reserving judgment for a later date... im def not against the concept of god... its possible, idk, and no one does that why it irks me when people have such strong opions when there is no way of knowing... no if god shinned a light down on me, told me, hey things are like this then that would make me a believer in whatever but aside from something along those lines happening il go with the most likely answer... people made it up to control people.... i mean shit the anicent aliens theroy is way way way more possible then any religion being right... and ancient people mistaking aliens for god also makes sense too... but like i said idk and neither do you...

 

[Ninae]

God doesn't force himself upon you. He doesn't come to someone who doesn't want him to come. He mostly seem to reveal himself to seekers who have searched for him for a long time.

And, yes, I have had pesonal experiences that were just as real and powerful as any sensory experience can be. And so have millions of others, just look up the writings of any mystic, and there are "witnesses" all over the place. It has just been made into a mystery in this world only.

But it doesn't need to be and it won't be for long. Most people will be suprised to find what they have thought of as "God", that has been presented to them as something unfathomable and outside of themselves, is both tp be found within themselves and is the same as something they've experienced already.

people made it up to control people....

More like it was put in as a part of something that was made up to control people...or made up as a controlled system of thought was made up to control the perception of something that couldn't really be hidden.

 

[pill_billy]

God doesn't force himself upon you. He doesn't come to someone who doesn't want him to come. He mostly seem to reveal himself to seekers who have searched for him for a long time.

then how did the first people ever learn about him if they had to not only know he already was real but had to search for him??

and who says i dont want him to come?? ive prayed multiple times that if you make yourself known in an undeniable way i would be the biggest (fill in religion) ever and totally devote my life to god... and why does god have to act like a 10 year old girl? ooo you dont believe in me enough soo im just not gona make myself known to you... seriously? an all powerful being has the human emotion of being petty? this is what i was getting at in my first couple posts... no matter what i say religious ppl always have some vague reasoning about whatever...

 

[Ninae]

then how did the first people ever learn about him if they had to not only know he already was real but had to search for him??

Human beings haven't always been so distant from God. Feeling an inner closeness to God is natural. But it's not something that can be controlled, so putting it within a frame that can be controlled, on punishment of death, is something that can be done to control what can potentially come out of an inner communicaton with God for someone. Although this is something very evil and a real sin (to use that word for something).

and who says i dont want him to come?? ive prayed multiple times that if you make yourself known in an undeniable way i would be the biggest (fill in religion) ever and totally devote my life to god... and why does god have to act like a 10 year old girl? ooo you dont believe in me enough soo im just not gona make myself known to you... seriously? an all powerful being has the human emotion of being petty? this is what i was getting at in my first couple posts... no matter what i say religious ppl always have some vague reasoning about whatever...

Don't mean to be rude, but this sounds both very childish and supersituous. Obviously, it doesn't happen as easily as that, but that's no need to literally throw your toys out of the pram (seriously). Lke anything else of value that's worth achieving in life it takes tame, skill, and effort and is not something that will be there at the snap of a finger. Surely, you must have realised this by now, ot there's no wonder you're disappointed?

But when you work out it's not as easy as that, but it still looks like God might exist and there are people who have come to know, you might want also want to devote some of your time to achieving that end, like reading about other people's personal experiences. But it has to be out of your with your free will and come from the heart or it doesn't have any value.

Honestly, it's like anything else in the world that is worth learning but takes some time to come to you. Like learning an artform, learning to meditate, teaching yourself extra-sensory ablities, etc. It's not easy, and you can never know it won't turn out to be all a waste of time. But there's also a chance that it won't. You need to give it time and take the right steps in that direction. Just keep in mind it's not so much about having a personal encounter with another being and might never be experienced like that, but more about attuning your consciousness to experience some sort of higher energy and a sense of upliftment, if you get what I mean.

I think "I feel radioactive" as I feel like I'm radiating higher energy. Even Einstein struggled to define the mystical experience, because it's not easy, but he obviously held it in high regard (and if it's good enough for Einstein, etc...). Just makes common sense and is an outlook that has worked out well for me.

 

[murphythecat]

you are god, you are the creator of your reality.
go smoke some dmt.

 

[Ninae]

It's you, the whole, and the creator of all things in one.
Goodnight.

 

[Munchkoala]

I have a theory. It's related to Newton's third law of "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." My theory is you get out of life what you put into it. It is also related to the special theory of relativity, as each person's thoughts relate to their own experience and past, in particular, frames of reference.

 

[murphythecat]

It's you, the whole, and the creator of all things in one.
Goodnight.

yeah, you are the creator of all the thing you decide to observe

 

[Ninae]

I have a theory. It's related to Newton's third law of "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction." My theory is you get out of life what you put into it. It is also related to the special theory of relativity, as each person's thoughts relate to their own experience and past, in particular, frames of reference.

I just had a simlar thought. I thought about how it's very comparable to something like learning how to make music. Someone might want to learn to write music but they know it will be hard with no seeming natural ability. First they will have to learn to play an instrument, then they will have to learn how music is written, then have to practice their art with the help of studying works others have written, etc.

Then one day, if they persevere, they start hearing tones by ear, one by one, and write them down. Then over time the tones become more numerous, turn into a trickle, which then turns into a small stream, which turns into a river, then one day they find themselves swimming in the sea. The whole process might take decades, it takes a lot of work and time, but they get there (You need FAITH to carry on and get through the process, so faith is needed up unto a certain point, but is not an end in itself). I firmly believe it's within everyone's reach.

This can be a good analogy. Indeed it's one of those things that can be a life's work, and even at the end of your life it can still leave a lot to be desired. But that's just it, it's THE GREAT WORK (don't recall where that term is from). Still there are so many who seem to feel it's something they should be able to attain with no time and effort if it was "real". I don't know why. All great accomplishments take a lot of time and effort and it can be seen as the greatest accomplishment.

 

[pill_billy]

It is also related to the special theory of relativity, as each person's thoughts relate to their own experience and past, in particular, frames of reference.

ummm im almost 110% sure the theroy of relativity has nothing to do ones personal experiences and more to do with how the fabric of space and time bends around large objects and was proven by taking pictures of light bending around the sun... but i could be wrong....

 

[infectedmushroom]

Yo, whoever has this whole life thing figured out, write a book please, you'll be super rich and make people super happy.