Wanna try heroin advice?

[Shambles]

Obviously I am emphasising the more extreme end of the potential immediate outcome spectrum but if you truly have no experience of opioids in any form I think that is with some justificiation on a HR site. Of course you can jump from zero opioid use to frighteningly (and/or deliciously) pure heroin in one step but it is a step with several layers of risk attached that are generally at least mitigated by having had a few codeine CWE's or chasing a few lines of skanky UK brown off the foil before we get to snorting high grade heroin with nothing but oz scales and a Yale to go by.

Basic HR advice is always take very small amounts if unsure then halve that amount before even thinking of consuming but with no prior opioid tolerance or experience I would seriously reconsider in general. That may be largely idealogical on my part but do not even think about key bumps. Wafer thin lines of a couple mm in lenth spaced widely apart if you do. I would suggest shelving what you have and trying at least a few codeine CWE's to see if you even like the general effect before diving in at the deep end

 

[CbRoXiDe]

Just smoke it if it's your first time. With no tolerance smoking is pretty much going to do exactly the same for you anyway, just with the added bonus you will not die.

 

[clord0]

Right I see, well I know that the H will be of decent to very good quality so I will be extra cautious, if I'm honest you've now made me really scared of trying it when I acquire it but as always safety first.
I don't really have a clue what a codeine CWE, and neither do I know any way of getting as you put, skanky brown off foil. Do you mean as in smoking some lower grade H off foil?

If I'm right in thinking so the #4 H I'm getting is snortable only and can't be smoked? I will 100% take the smallest possible amount, wait a long enough time to know if it's effected me and only re-dose if I feel necessary.

I appreciate your advice though as prior to this post I wasn't aware so much of risks of snorting H in even very small amounts, after seeing pulp fiction I always thought H had to be done in very small doses or an OD like the film would happen.

Just smoke it if it's your first time. With no tolerance smoking is pretty much going to do exactly the same for you anyway, just with the added bonus you will not die.

I was told by my supplier that this H i'm getting is snort or shoot only, or have I been mislead?



Shambles am I allowed to post a pic of the H I will be getting or is that against the rules?

 

[simco]

buff,
I'm in a similar boat. I've been chipping #4 H more-or-less successfully for about 2 years. With that said, do I have a dependence? yes, in that I think about it, crave it, etc. But so far I'm managing it in a way that works with my life. That's likely to change. But all of these were my decisions, and you should obviously make your decisions for yourself.

With harm reduction in mind, I'll pass along a little advice from a semi-novice. take it or leave it as you see fit.

Assuming you're using #4:
a) as others have said, start smaallllll. like <1 match-head in size. consider this a fun experiment.
b) i give myself around 45 mins between doses. if the first bump didn't do it for me, i'll do another. after two bumps (on your first time with new gear) give yourself some time to chill and enjoy what's happening before your go back for more. i've never had to go beyond two in a sitting to get where i want to be initially.
c) be careful. the shit can sneak up on you! don't keep going back over and over. again, until you get a handle on it, treat the whole thing like an experiment (which it sort of is).

others on this forum know way more about this than me, so i'll quiet down. but good luck. yes, it's an epic decision. so make it well and enjoy.

 

[clord0]

buff,
I'm in a similar boat. I've been chipping #4 H more-or-less successfully for about 2 years. With that said, do I have a dependence? yes, in that I think about it, crave it, etc. But so far I'm managing it in a way that works with my life. That's likely to change. But all of these were my decisions, and you should obviously make your decisions for yourself.

With harm reduction in mind, I'll pass along a little advice from a semi-novice. take it or leave it as you see fit.

Assuming you're using #4:
a) as others have said, start smaallllll. like <1 match-head in size. consider this a fun experiment.
b) i give myself around 45 mins between doses. if the first bump didn't do it for me, i'll do another. after two bumps (on your first time with new gear) give yourself some time to chill and enjoy what's happening before your go back for more. i've never had to go beyond two in a sitting to get where i want to be initially.
c) be careful. the shit can sneak up on you! don't keep going back over and over. again, until you get a handle on it, treat the whole thing like an experiment (which it sort of is).

others on this forum know way more about this than me, so i'll quiet down. but good luck. yes, it's an epic decision. so make it well and enjoy.

Cheers I appreciate it, I am definitely using #4, I will take minimal amounts, match head in size as you said and take a long time between to see how it goes. Assuming I'm responsible I'm hoping i'll be ok 8(

 

[herbavore]

Ok so I've had too much morphine, DHC, fentanyl etc to remember but never tried heroin. Any recommendation of what type is best? Can get #3 and #4 not really wanting to pin it so I'm gonna av to run it unless you have any other ROA suggestions? So what should
I expect? What's a decent dose etc

Most recent two names in the shrine are both heroin overdoses--both people under 30, both experienced users, both Bluelight regulars, both gone forever now and two more families devastated. Probably not what you wanted to hear but I have to say it anyway.

 

[Shambles]

Right I see, well I know that the H will be of decent to very good quality so I will be extra cautious, if I'm honest you've now made me really scared of trying it when I acquire it but as always safety first.
I don't really have a clue what a codeine CWE

It's codeine extracted via cold water from OTC co-codamol. Pure codeine linctus is also sold OTC (although good luck convincing a pharmacist to sell it you if you look even remotely shady)

, and neither do I know any way of getting as you put, skanky brown off foil. Do you mean as in smoking some lower grade H off foil?

Yup. UK "street" heroin is smokable and generally of much lower purity than "naughty site" heroin which is either a plus or minus point when it comes to first times depending on perspective.

If I'm right in thinking so the #4 H I'm getting is snortable only and can't be smoked? I will 100% take the smallest possible amount, wait a long enough time to know if it's effected me and only re-dose if I feel necessary.

#4 heroin is not generally considered smokable without adding caffeine (again, fuck knows the ratio so can't add to that)

I appreciate your advice though as prior to this post I wasn't aware so much of risks of snorting H in even very small amounts, after seeing pulp fiction I always thought H had to be done in very small doses or an OD like the film would happen.

Pulp Fiction is a fiction.

I was told by my supplier that this H i'm getting is snort or shoot only, or have I been mislead?

See above (but no you have not been mislead)

Shambles am I allowed to post a pic of the H I will be getting or is that against the rules?

You can post pix but white powder is white powder so probably won't help much

I truly would reccomend skipping it and starting on a lower rung if starting at all but if you are going to sniff go with the wafer thin mm line/matchhead approach and stop sooner rather than later if feeling noddy. Really doesn't take much at all to push a truly opiate naive person over the line. I've had experienced users come within a fraction of dying in my arms cos the gear was a smidge better than usual let alone first-timers. It's easy for folks to get blase about this shit but it kills instantly and this is a HR site arfter all. I'd build some tolerance or at least find out whether I liked the effects of opioids in general before sniffing high grade smack on a whim and a prayer. Sorry for being a downer

 

[BigG]

Another thing to bear in mind in the wider scheme of things is that medical doses of diamorphine are (generally) in the 5mg range and that will leave an opiate naive person totally wasted. Admittedly this is from pharmaceutical diamorphine and via IV but it does help to emphasise the tiny, tiny amounts that an opiate naive individual needs.

It does seem a rather unusual step from no opiate experience at all to highly pure #4 heroin but that's the way you've chosen to go.

If you're still confused about the numbers thing a good idea to start would be simply to stick the word heroin into Wikipedia as there is a fairly good explanation of what the different numbers signify on there.

The (seemingly obvious) golden rule with anything is start very, very small as you can always add more but can't take it out once it's in your body regardless of the ROA.

Listen to Mr Shambles....hes talking sense.

Please be careful. The aftermath of an Od is fucking devastating so again please take it easy

 

[growit&smokeit]

I would either buy some kratom or poppy pods first. I've done both and they are both nice I actually prefer kratom as there is added effects than just opoid ones.

I guess this is the problem with darknet sites it easy to buy stuff you would not have considered before almost on a whim. I guess with traditional dealers there is different tiers: weed; coke and pills; and then the crack and heroin dealers so you have to put more effort into scoring. Which is arguably a good thing.

 

[clord0]

I'm heeding all your advice, and mr shambles you're not being a downer atall, this is about harm reduction afterall. It looks like I should've started on a weaker opiate afterall but it's heading to me now so to heck with it.

I'm gonna take as small amount of possible and I guess see you on the other side... Hopefully..

Shambles am I allowed to post a pic of the H I will be getting or is that against the rules?

You can post pix but white powder is white powder so probably won't help much

Fair enough this may be unrecognizable but may give people some idea of the kind of shit I'm gonna be dealing with:

 

[pinkpapaver]

that's giving me the heave and gag. god, the gear I'm smoking is shit. I used to be able to look at gear once I'd bought it and gag. yeH, the good stuff clumps together just like that.

 

[BecomingJulie]

Breaks are good.

The past two weekends I've binged, and enjoyed it way more than the heights of last year's binges (when, by the way, I was getting mostly light tan fluffy powder like the above picture -- clear red beetle, minimal trails); but now I'm taking another (short) break till Jess returns. And with hardly anything like withdrawals, either. I'd probably be back to my dealer following a dentist's appointment for a filling on Saturday, but it's my Nan's birthday on Sunday and I have to be in a fit state to visit her, which kind of rules out my favourite pain relief.

 

[clord0]

Todays the day anyway, got my gear, gonna start with a match head sized bump, hears to no OD'ing hopefully.

 

[PredatorVision]

Todays the day anyway, got my gear, gonna start with a match head sized bump, hears to no OD'ing hopefully.

good luck, try not to do it daily though, I went through an absolutly terrible w/d at christmas from snorting some fairly nice #4 just two - three bumps a day from only a few days on the go straight, maybe even only 10 days which is pathetic comparably to what a lot of users use. Try not to let it become part of your daily routine.

 

[clord0]

Cheers, no way do I intend to do this daily, I know a lot of people say this shit but I'm genuinely just a stoner experimenting.

Just done a bump probably even smaller than a match head to be safe, 12 mins in I don't feel much. How long do you reckon I should wait inbetween bumps to be safe?

 

[PredatorVision]

Cheers, no way do I intend to do this daily, I know a lot of people say this shit but I'm genuinely just a stoner experimenting.

Just done a bump probably even smaller than a match head to be safe, 12 mins in I don't feel much. How long do you reckon I should wait inbetween bumps to be safe?

It's impossible to judge on quality from a vague picture over the internet. Though when I was snorting #4 I used a pen lid from a bic biro to measure out my doses (they fit nicely into baggies, better than keys) and i'd usually take two bumps within 15 minuites of each other measuring about half a cm on the edge of the lid. Then i'd leave it for about an hour and take a third, though i'd been smoking cheap #3 for a while beforehand so my tolerance was probably higher than someone who's never had it. But seriously though I have NO IDEA how strong your gear is so my measurements could be dangerous for you, if you feel paranoid after having some have a cup of coffee or three to go with it, they complement each other quite well and you're less likely to nod as much.

 

[clord0]

Coffee to hand now you've said that Obviously I'm not expert but I'm pretty sure it's decent quality gear as all the feedback was saying so. Only problem for me today is two nights ago I had a big coke binge so my nostrils are blocked as hell.
Trying to sniff a bit of luke warm water before and after bumps to clear them a bit, it's now been 25 mins since the first bump and I don't feel much so it may be time to up the dose.


Any particular drugs I can mix with H like smoking a spliff when on it or is that a silly idea for a newbie?

 

[PredatorVision]

and when I said a bic biro pen lid I mean't one like this, just taken a screenshot, very small doses be careful:

also I noticed with some of the #4 I got, perticularly bought online from certain darkweb sellers had a high amount of caffiene in it (something to do with converting #3 to #4 on the cheap?) my heart would race a bit and i'd get really fucked from small amounts (to the point of losing cognative abilities) though it was a more tan colour what I last had compared to what's in that picture of your stuff.

 

[clord0]

Thanks man yeah and I have no clue if it has caffeine in it or not that's news to me that they add it to H. The bump I did was probably smaller than the bic lid you have as I want to be cautious.

Only effect I'd say I feel atm is a slight googley eye sensation like I used to get on MDMA, nowhere near as much though. No sign of euphoria as of yet though,

 

[Erikmen]

The manners to deal heroin nowadays seems to be much more 'sophisticated' then before when you just knew a place and made the purchase.
Now, in most cases, there is a dealer and you need to contact them via your mobile device, schedule time and place and it´s never in the same spot.
You normally know what you get and sometimes can even afford to make tests. Now when I go to NY there are not so many visible scenes as it used to have and it for me it´s easier not to get involved. And keep off opiates.
Back to my times none of that existed. You´ve just had to appear to a shady neighborhood and get what was available. Under all sort of risks of being robbed or getting either something very cut or super strong.
Besides there are all that doctor/patient relationship that you get almost everything you need.