The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 2

[Sir Ron Pib]

I'd agree theres the vibe but AL-LAD and Acid are distinct; don't find LSZ much like acid though; I agree it's rough as fuck but that ones more like a synthetic tryptamine and not the best of them either. Really loved AL tho.

 

[Ismene]

I can't get into high doses on al-lad - the visuals are like the tv isn't tuned in correctly - they seem to be moving up and down of their own accord and it's a very confusing headspace. LSD is totally clear and contemplative even if you push the dose.

Up to 150 al-lad is beautiful tho.

 

[Si Dread]

I like LSz, ya buncha c**ts! lmao Even Ismene isn't mad for it, are you buddy?

I can't comment given that my last acid trip, albiet a fucking cracking one, was in 1996. Until I grow the cojonies to the point that they displace a greater proportion of air than they do at present, I suspect that's all I'll have to go on. I'm afraid despite the last trip being a good one, I don't have the fondest memories of my 40 or 50 acid trips from my 20's. I moved onto MDMA with much relief, & stuck with shrooms for the last 20 years, until discovering the "new psyches" as I call pretty much anything that ain't DMT, acid, psilocybin or mescline.

Despite a 17 year gap, there was little doubt in my mind that I had taken lysergide when I found Al-Lad. There are obvious differences, & obvious similarities. It was quite comparatively different to any of the Phens & Trypts I'd been "researching" in the previous years.

At the time I described Al-Lad as being to LSD what 4-ho-met is to psilocybin & I stand by that. It might be that I prefer the more recreational chemicals & that the light side of these chems mean they miss some of the deeper shit that, quite frankly, scares me lol Nonetheless, for the sake of continuity, I will grow 'em a little & probably try acid again. Before I die. Probably.

 

[Ismene]

Only tried the LSZ once but it certainly didn't make much of an impression!

Must admit I've always preferred mushrooms to LSD, apart from the last few trips with LSD that have had an incredible MDMA style bodyhigh. Not sure where that came from because it's never really hit me that way before.

(Could you clear out your PM box Si..)

 

[Xorkoth]

Isn't it interesting how the best of the psychedelic lysergamides seems to have been discovered first? What kind of luck is that? Of course in the future one could be found that's even better, who knows. But it hasn't happened yet.

 

[Ismene]

LSD still seems to be the daddy, but al-lad is a charming little imp.

It's strange how al-lad isn't as good for music as LSD - you wonder how such a subtle change in a molecule can affect how your brain hears music to such a degree.

 

[Si Dread]

LSD still seems to be the daddy, but al-lad is a charming little imp.

It's strange how al-lad isn't as good for music as LSD - you wonder how such a subtle change in a molecule can affect how your brain hears music to such a degree.

Box cleareded.

You cannot possibly judge LSz after a single use, unless you truly hated every second of it. I took 3-meo-pcp twice, & hated it both times. First time I tried 4-aco-mipt I puked my guts up & laid in bed doubled up with stomach pain. It was a dodgy burger, nothing to do with the drugs, had a cracking time the next night, on the same dose from the same batch.

I wonder if the music quotient of LSD could be added to the Al-Lad experience by means of some subtle combination. 25ug LSD + 100ug Al-Lad, that sort of thing..?

 

[Jonneh]

Isn't it interesting how the best of the psychedelic lysergamides seems to have been discovered first? What kind of luck is that? Of course in the future one could be found that's even better, who knows. But it hasn't happened yet.

Perhaps 'goodness' correlates with 'potency', and Mr Hoffmann had synthed several lysergamides before but they just weren't potent enough for him to discover by accident? Or maybe LSD would be 'sinister AL-LAD with more bodyload' had it been discovered later?

Nah, you're right though - the originals are the deepest, lysies, tryps and phens alike.

I wonder if the music quotient of LSD could be added to the Al-Lad experience by means of some subtle combination. 25ug LSD + 100ug Al-Lad, that sort of thing..?

That would be interesting to try. It could be that once the basic 'altered state' is set up, which both AL-LAD and LSD are good for, the 'musical' dose of LSD is lowered, and, in an ideal world, the 'sinister' dose isn't.

As someone said in some film, 'it's music​ what matters'.

 

[BeefcaKez]

al-lad is very friendly in low doses up too 450 mics but can get very sinister when you go higher doses but personally ive found the dosage on a tab very unreliable i dont know how they are being laid but ive had trips off the same sheet for example ive dropped 3 in a night and aint really had an epic expirience but then i drop 1 a few weeks later and its put me on my arse

 

[oliveoyl]

So i brought some 25 tabs of AL LAD today, looking forward to trying it, now to get some LSZ

 

[pupnik]

al-lad is very friendly in low doses up too 450 mics but can get very sinister when you go higher doses but personally ive found the dosage on a tab very unreliable i dont know how they are being laid but ive had trips off the same sheet for example ive dropped 3 in a night and aint really had an epic expirience but then i drop 1 a few weeks later and its put me on my arse

noticing this too

 

[perpetualdawn]

Isn't it interesting how the best of the psychedelic lysergamides seems to have been discovered first? What kind of luck is that? Of course in the future one could be found that's even better, who knows. But it hasn't happened yet.

I flip flop between agreeing with this statement (and for me personally LSD IS the King), and thinking maybe we've just learned culturally how to navigate LSD so well, because of its age and popularity, that were all just really good at tripping on acid.

It is hard to imagine al-lad having the cultural impact that acid did. Something about LSD is so self important, or commanding, whereas al-lad is like that friend that always knows how to make a joke to lighten things up.

Btw can we start calling al-lad "a kind of acid" or is there only one acid? I propose: LSD is THE acid, and lsz and al-lad are also acids. Haha!

 

[Cream Gravy?]

^The term certainly applies better to the novel lysergimides more than it does the NBOMe's... A friend of mine who has never done LSD still says he's tried acid, even though it was always an NBOMe. I just say LSD when I talk about LSD these days, it's a little more direct than 'acid', seeing as the name of acid has been tarnished.

 

[Solipsis]

I flip flop between agreeing with this statement (and for me personally LSD IS the King), and thinking maybe we've just learned culturally how to navigate LSD so well, because of its age and popularity, that were all just really good at tripping on acid.

It is hard to imagine al-lad having the cultural impact that acid did. Something about LSD is so self important, or commanding, whereas al-lad is like that friend that always knows how to make a joke to lighten things up.

Btw can we start calling al-lad "a kind of acid" or is there only one acid? I propose: LSD is THE acid, and lsz and al-lad are also acids. Haha!

Compromise: call it al-acid / al-lacid?

Ironically none of them are technically organic acids, but rather derivatives of lysergic acid. : X

About price: in my region they messed up a few times with LSD that was supposed to be nicely dosed/priced but got tested at like 30 ug. I find AL-LAD available to me priced on par with very potent LSD blotter and since that apparently is too much to ask it automatically makes the AL-LAD favorable, not to mention that it's nice stuff of course.

 

[kingme]

about the acid thing... well if im being completly honest, low doses of most psychedelics at least resemble one another, so one could infer what acid is without ever actually having it if one has enough experience with psychedelics in general... a careless person might not even notice differences between allad and lsz and lsd under normal circumstances, especially at low doses or in combos (which are generally less predictable).
it is all a matter of preference no?

 

[Solipsis]

I don't think we really know until we'd do double blind test panels with psychedelics, until then a lot of our fascinations with the different substances available may have to do with filling our own heads with curiosities. As always, it's not about shrugging it off as suggestion and placebo, those things can play big roles. Illusions still have consequence.
Still I'm inclined to believe there is something to substances like AL-LAD and 4-HO-MET seeming more friendly than their close analogues. Who knows in what ways their actions are relatively attenuated that take the edge off, relatively speaking.

 

[SWIM Had A Dream]

Shulgin saying that it is less sinister has filled the minds of the masses imo....the power of suggestion is real...especially when it comes from your idols

 

[seedboot]

Had a half tab of the black blotters with yellow (and other) flecks of colour last night. Was definitely the real deal, and can see it's not 'cid. Anyone else experienced these new tabs?

 

[Dawglaw]

So I took a full 150ug blotter this Saturday. I did not get any visuals. I definitely could tell I was under the influence of something as I was able to (barely) maintain conversations and complete tasks. It was strange - I had a good time but I was really disappointed that I did not get any visuals (which is what I was after).

I felt some psychedelic head space but did not suffer any anxiety. I felt like I was VERY stoned but still was able to manage control of my emotions and reality. I hung out with friends who thought I was a bit drunk or high - they had no idea I was on a psych. It wasn't a bad time, but I was expecting visuals.

What do you think happened? Bunk tab? I got it from a reputable source too...

 

[Doldrugs]

Trips are different for everyone each time, even same dose, same chemical. For me and those I've tripped with, Al-lad has very persistent trails every time but at 150 gave me little else. At 300 I had more visuals, a body high, and mental effects. At 450, visuals were powerful and ubiquitous, I felt strong physical and mental effects, and it was overall a satisfying experience. For my girlfriend, 450 wasn't enough, while for others 150 is too visual and disorienting. I'd recommend trying 300 ug.